WT Forget Campbelltown

[jirskyr]

Let's call it for what it is

The nrl and WT mgmt know what they are doing. We are the suckers for not saving what we have before it's gone

Over the last few years games played out of Campbelltown and Leichhardt have been against out of town teams.

Why?

So when they get rid of them, the crowd numbers justify it.

7-10k crowds on average aren't good enough.

If it was tigers v parra at Leichhardt it would sell out
Instead we play teams like the storm there.

They don't care about club history. They aren't fans. They are business people.

So what would be the point of playing parra at LO and selling out? Doesn't it make sense to play at Homebush and getting a larger crowd?
Everyone thinks that the last game last year was great because it sold out. Al I saw was people getting locked out. **Not a great way to grow your prodict.**

I call BS.

If we are selling a product on TV - which is going to look better?

A packed leichardt oval with 22,000 fans
A half empty homebush

thefore it is better for the game as more money is made from TV rights than through ticket sales.

You are confusing the stakeholder's primary concerns though.

Yes NRL pulls primary revenue from TV and Tigers rely on that revenue, but Tigers are not in any way responsible for TV broadcasting rights and have no say in the scheduling or broadcasting of games.

The only thing Tigers own and control in relation to games is match-day profit. So whether or not the stadium _looks_ full is fairly irrelevant to the club, even if it's relevant to the NRL. Certainly a 50%-full Homebush at 40K is financially in a different stratosphere to a sell-out LO at 19K.

 

[newtiger]

What a nightmare all of this stuff is. I'm not sure what the answer is but I think it'd be better if the Macarthur region showed they were behind the Tigers via crowd support prior to councillors stating things like that.

It was plenty full in round 2\. Can't expect a full house in 7 degree temperature, against an out of town team, in the middle of the losing streak we were in.

There was nearly 8,000 people at the Panthers Canberra game at Bathurst and I can tell you it was a lot colder than 7 degrees on that Saturday afternoon.

 

[innsaneink]

But those people choose to live there…...god knows why :wink:

 

[Snake]

No it won't

They'll end up playing less and less games at ctown and Leichhardt as time progresses

We can't play with so many home grounds forever.
One game a year at both Leichardt and Campbelltown will happen sooner than later

I tend to agree - its just unfortunate that ANZ is the only alternative - the amenities are first class but unless you get a crowd of 20k plus the atmosphere is not there. I guess we would be sussing out Parra stadium when its done but i resent having to pay rent to that organisation.

Govt stadium. We wouldn't be paying anything to the Eels.

The Tigers better get there act together .,the Roosters want to play at least 2 games out of the new stadium these people are not fools they ACTUALLY see the benefits and where is there base that's right the eastern suburbs. Mock this move all you want it is now sink or swim but if the past tells me something nothing will happen and the club will still play 8 games a season at a loss .

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

But those people choose to live there…...god knows why :wink:

Well you can pay about $1,500.000 for a modest house in Sydney or $400K in Canberra with better roads and facilities to go with it. And usually a better NRL team as well. All for the extra cost of a heavier jacket, a balaclava and long johns.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Before the last Cambo game, and because it has hosted one more game this year and havent included it…since last year CSS has averaged more then LO

CSS 13592
LO 13236

http://afltables.com/rl/teams/wests_tigers/wests_tigers_bv.html

Don't try and sway the argument with logic and reason Ink - it doesn't work.

In those two years, what is the division of games between the two venues for out of town teams?

 

[newtiger]

But those people choose to live there…...god knows why :wink:

It's a great place ink.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

But those people choose to live there…...god knows why :wink:

Well you can pay about $1,5000.000 for a modest house in Sydney or $400K in Canberra with better roads and facilities to go with it. And usually a better NRL team as well. All for the extra cost of a heavier jacket, a balaclava and long johns.

You pay even less if you chose to live in Queanbeyan!

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

That's funny my post was already quoted showing $1,5000,000 but was still allowed to edit to $1,500,000

 

[innsaneink]

But those people choose to live there…...god knows why :wink:

It's a great place ink.

I know mate…
... Climate though

 

[innsaneink]

Before the last Cambo game, and because it has hosted one more game this year and havent included it…since last year CSS has averaged more then LO

CSS 13592
LO 13236

http://afltables.com/rl/teams/wests_tigers/wests_tigers_bv.html

Don't try and sway the argument with logic and reason Ink - it doesn't work.

In those two years, what is the division of games between the two venues for out of town teams?

Even split last year
3 out of town teams 1 syd
This year Cambo has 2 Sydney teams to LO's 1 (GC game not counted)

 

[stryker]

Let's call it for what it is

The nrl and WT mgmt know what they are doing. We are the suckers for not saving what we have before it's gone

Over the last few years games played out of Campbelltown and Leichhardt have been against out of town teams.

Why?

So when they get rid of them, the crowd numbers justify it.

7-10k crowds on average aren't good enough.

If it was tigers v parra at Leichhardt it would sell out
Instead we play teams like the storm there.

They don't care about club history. They aren't fans. They are business people.

So what would be the point of playing parra at LO and selling out? Doesn't it make sense to play at Homebush and getting a larger crowd?
Everyone thinks that the last game last year was great because it sold out. Al I saw was people getting locked out. **Not a great way to grow your prodict.**

I call BS.

If we are selling a product on TV - which is going to look better?

A packed leichardt oval with 22,000 fans
A half empty homebush

thefore it is better for the game as more money is made from TV rights than through ticket sales.

You can not rely on that business model forever. Free to air tv is rapidly dieing out. As an Austel licensed electrical contractor i install tv and data along with power to new homes. 10 years ago id install thousands of kilometers of coaxial cable to new developments per year. These days itd be lucky to be a kilometer's worth. Data cabling on the other hand has gone through the roof. The average 3 beddie would request 6 data outlets all supplied from the source for seperate useages with only 1 tv socket. People watch television through the internet. They live stream. Id be pretty confident to say that the next tv rights deal for NRL will be a decrease on the previous as will each from then on. The days of relying on tv rights to fund the game are drawing to a close. Crowd numbers must be raised along with club memberships/merchandise etc.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Not sure if its the next TV rights deal or the one after, but it will include online streaming. Another 15-20 years, television will be completely obsolete imo. The only thing TV has going for itself these days are reality shows.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Now we can have a few million homes getting free to air with no slow down of internet, imagines them all going online with Abbotts/Turnbulls patchwork NBN - it will get all jammed up like old Parramatta Road used to.

 

[Tiger2135]

Hey Byron,
Parramatta Rd is worse than ever

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Hey Byron,
Parramatta Rd is worse than ever

I have driven on Parra Road into Sydney for years that I can remember. It is stuffed up in spite of that M4 (or 5) supposedly take all the traffic off?? Maybe M4 extension is diverting traffic back on to Parra Road. During train strikes I would ride my bicycle from Lidcombe to city in about 30 mins though was bumper to bumper the whole way.

If M4 is open but still slow that is what could happen to our NBN if free to air TV goes. The blurb came out last week for Byron and is really expensive compared to current supply and charges.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Now we can have a few million homes getting free to air with no slow down of internet, imagines them all going online with Abbotts/Turnbulls patchwork NBN - it will get all jammed up like old Parramatta Road used to.

I had fibre to the home at the last property I owned (I built it when the ALP were still in power,) so we got Rudd's shiny NBN which was slower than a wet week.

Malcolm's tin can NBN is anywhere between seven to ten times faster on any given day in my 90 year old cottage in the mountains.

 

[Tiger2135]

They are going to put a toll of about $5 each way on the section Parramatta to Concord in August. It's fair to assume a lot of people won't want to spend $200/mth on that so Parramatta Rd will get a lot worse.
The traffic still all funnels back onto Parramatta rd at Concord anyway. Eventually there will be a tunnel from Concord to Haberfield, with another toll.

 

[gallagher]

We can't play with so many home grounds forever.
One game a year at both Leichardt and Campbelltown will happen sooner than later

I tend to agree - its just unfortunate that ANZ is the only alternative - the amenities are first class but unless you get a crowd of 20k plus the atmosphere is not there. I guess we would be sussing out Parra stadium when its done but i resent having to pay rent to that organisation.

Govt stadium. We wouldn't be paying anything to the Eels.

The Tigers better get there act together .,the Roosters want to play at least 2 games out of the new stadium these people are not fools they ACTUALLY see the benefits and where is there base that's right the eastern suburbs. Mock this move all you want it is now sink or swim but if the past tells me something nothing will happen and the club will still play 8 games a season at a loss .

Thats interesting, the roosters taking games to Parra. They must have colected some membership data to support such a move.
I wonder where the majority if our members live? Surely the club have looked at that?

 

[jirskyr]

Let's call it for what it is

The nrl and WT mgmt know what they are doing. We are the suckers for not saving what we have before it's gone

Over the last few years games played out of Campbelltown and Leichhardt have been against out of town teams.

Why?

So when they get rid of them, the crowd numbers justify it.

7-10k crowds on average aren't good enough.

If it was tigers v parra at Leichhardt it would sell out
Instead we play teams like the storm there.

They don't care about club history. They aren't fans. They are business people.

So what would be the point of playing parra at LO and selling out? Doesn't it make sense to play at Homebush and getting a larger crowd?
Everyone thinks that the last game last year was great because it sold out. Al I saw was people getting locked out. **Not a great way to grow your prodict.**

I call BS.

If we are selling a product on TV - which is going to look better?

A packed leichardt oval with 22,000 fans
A half empty homebush

thefore it is better for the game as more money is made from TV rights than through ticket sales.

You can not rely on that business model forever. Free to air tv is rapidly dieing out. As an Austel licensed electrical contractor i install tv and data along with power to new homes. 10 years ago id install thousands of kilometers of coaxial cable to new developments per year. These days itd be lucky to be a kilometer's worth. Data cabling on the other hand has gone through the roof. The average 3 beddie would request 6 data outlets all supplied from the source for seperate useages with only 1 tv socket. People watch television through the internet. They live stream. Id be pretty confident to say that the next tv rights deal for NRL will be a decrease on the previous as will each from then on. The days of relying on tv rights to fund the game are drawing to a close. Crowd numbers must be raised along with club memberships/merchandise etc.

??? Have I missed something.

Sure FTA TV is dying out and live streaming is increasing - so the revenues simply transfer from FTA audience to digital streaming audience. It's already happening, Foxtel already pay about twice what Channel 9 do for the current NRL rights, and it's almost 4 times what Foxtel agreed to pay in the 2012 deal.

When Optus surprised Foxtel last year by out-bidding on the EPL, it showed how competitive digital platforms could be even without a pay-TV platform to on-sell the product.

Absolutely the NRL should continue to try and raise ticket, membership and merchandise sales, but the reality is these revenue streams will always be dwarfed by the rights to the home viewer, be it TV, cable, satellite or internet. Those days are not drawing to a close, just the medium of viewership is changing.