WT Ownership, The Board & Senior Management - MEGA Thread

[Stevec]

Nation wide imo

So we represent Australia ? Aussie Tigers Nah doesn't grab me

 

[cochise]

While it's a cute idea, no club sanctioned group will be listened to when calling for the leaders of the club to all be sacked. Step one is a mass culling of trash. If the Ambush puts forth the idea that the board must all resign, including Lee, and then a new board must find a new CEO the club will probably just give some polite waffle and then keep doing what they do. I really don't know what Kelly, Gary and co are hoping to achieve with their event.
I'm away this weekend in any case.

A coordinated approach persistently attacking the club, its board and management is the only way forwards. We need to be loud, aggressive and coordinated.

The first step is to raise this with the club, we have to do that as we have had a relationship with the club. After that point there will be a coordinated approach to bring about change.

 

[cochise]

As was suggested on the podcast, someone needs to come in from outside and do a warts and all review. From Klem’s cake to Lee’s Tommy tribute, to Brooksy’s mental state to the two bob graphs.

Sending an email to the bloke who is part of the problem won’t help.

That is the aim, this is a starting point.

Ultimately what I would like to see is a review from board level down, after which I would like to see a professional recruitment process for positions including positions on the board conducted by an outside agency with consultation with the owners.

I believe the only way to achieve this is through a groundswell of fan support and proper engagement with the media to push the cause. The Holman Barnes Group needs to be pressured into these changes.

 

[tony soprano]

The first step is to raise this with the club, we have to do that as we have had a relationship with the club. After that point there will be a coordinated approach to bring about change.

I guess the point is not just to whinge like a man baby.

I think they are looking for rationale.

Sack board, okay who do we replace them with, how do we go about sacking them. Same with CEO.

Shout on the roof tops, post your thought on the internet, sign as many online petitions and Facebook groups as you want. Reality is this or anything else isn't going to change much.

Hopefully people can get over their obsessions and start looking at what really wins footy games.

- look at our current players from Westfield sports high compared to manly why are getting the short hand of the stick?

- look at how much time our players have spent together compared to other teams spending years together

- why are our juniors not as strong as other teams

- why is Parramatta better then us from Harold Matthews up?

There's a lot of footy related questions that need answering and planning to put in place to fix. Reality is our club is nowhere as good as all the other clubs.

Ranting about Brooks, Lee and pascoe just does not achieve the big picture.

 

[cochise]

I wish you luck with this and I’m happy to share my thoughts (constructively) as a long term WT member and supporter if it will help. I’d love to see this club rise from the ashes.

Just sent you a pm mate.

 

[bathursttiger1]

I wish you luck with this and I’m happy to share my thoughts (constructively) as a long term WT member and supporter if it will help. I’d love to see this club rise from the ashes.

There’s no ashes yet the clubs still ablaze.

 

[jirskyr]

While it's a cute idea, no club sanctioned group will be listened to when calling for the leaders of the club to all be sacked. Step one is a mass culling of trash. If the Ambush puts forth the idea that the board must all resign, including Lee, and then a new board must find a new CEO the club will probably just give some polite waffle and then keep doing what they do. I really don't know what Kelly, Gary and co are hoping to achieve with their event.
I'm away this weekend in any case.

A coordinated approach persistently attacking the club, its board and management is the only way forwards. We need to be loud, aggressive and coordinated.

Well I don't know why you think a belligerent group would be more likely to win over The Board / be less likely to be the recipient of "waffle". For example, I have never seen Lee Hagipantelis respond in a good way to threats or ultimatums. If anything I think it makes you easier to ignore, particularly if you shout and waive things they don't like.

I am pretty confident that Kelly and Garry have 99.9% of fans covered for "co-ordinated", but they've chosen not to go "loud and aggressive".

But good luck, I have no issue with people trying.

 

[cochise]

Well I don't know why you think a belligerent group would be more likely to win over The Board / be less likely to be the recipient of "waffle". For example, I have never seen Lee Hagipantelis respond in a good way to threats or ultimatums. If anything I think it makes you easier to ignore, particularly if you shout and waive things they don't like.

I am pretty confident that Kelly and Garry have 99.9% of fans covered for "co-ordinated", but they've chosen not to go "loud and aggressive".

But good luck, I have no issue with people trying.

If you are going to do something like this it is very important to have a clear idea of what you are trying to achieve with strategies to achieve that. It is much better to speak about it in a passionate but calm and professional manner allowing you to get those points across. In my opinion your ideas and actions are a lot harder to dismiss if you put them across in that way.

 

[Eternal Tiger]

I wish you luck with this and I’m happy to share my thoughts (constructively) as a long term WT member and supporter if it will help. I’d love to see this club rise from the ashes.

Same. I've financially contributed for over a decade and have never been so disillusioned at the state were in, and the apparent inability to improve.

 

[balmain boy]

There’s no ashes yet the clubs still ablaze.

Nope, the club has passed it's fire audit and is currently freestanding,as if nothing were amiss

 

[balmain boy]

Well I don't know why you think a belligerent group would be more likely to win over The Board / be less likely to be the recipient of "waffle". For example, I have never seen Lee Hagipantelis respond in a good way to threats or ultimatums. If anything I think it makes you easier to ignore, particularly if you shout and waive things they don't like.

I am pretty confident that Kelly and Garry have 99.9% of fans covered for "co-ordinated", but they've chosen not to go "loud and aggressive".

But good luck, I have no issue with people trying.

Politely asking the wrong people the wrong questions will ultimately lead to nothing but wasting everyone's time and take a long time to achieve nothing.

Do you really think sitting down with Pascoe and asking him to resign will make him do so? And even less so if dealing with someone below him...

Same with the board. They won't give up uncontrolled power unless there's a relentless campaign publicly badgering then to do so, and even then our power is limited and reliant on grinding them down.

Make no mistake. People in positions of power don't simply give it up unless they're made to. There's ample reason and opportunity for any competent organisation to have made changes. The problem is the club STILL refuses to admit there is a problem, that's why they do nothing but cover their own asses.

The only way change will happen is through chaos. Relentless scrutiny, media storm, a barrage on all of those involved.

By the way I'm certainly not talking about any violence or destruction, death threats or anything crazy like that. Just assertiveness and boldness rather than passivity...

 

[balmain boy]

If you are going to do something like this it is very important to have a clear idea of what you are trying to achieve with strategies to achieve that. It is much better to speak about it in a passionate but calm and professional manner allowing you to get those points across. In my opinion your ideas and actions are a lot harder to dismiss if you put them across in that way.

It's not that complicated. The objectives are very clear. Strategies aren't overly required, we can maybe come up with a few names for the board but ultimately I imagine few, if any, of us have the knowledge and connections in senior sports management to say who's fully qualified to be CEO or chairman. Our job is to agitate for and instigate change, not to be the CEO or chairman.

I never suggested anything about not being calm or professional, of course you would be, but one can do this assertively and by not playing totally clean either. Management have been playing dirty for some time, we have to meet fire with fire, I'm happy to do so, as are some others, if others want to try a more passive approaching that's on them, I wish you well, but don't expect anything meaningful to change

 

[cochise]

It's not that complicated. The objectives are very clear. Strategies aren't overly required, we can maybe come up with a few names for the board but ultimately I imagine few, if any, of us have the knowledge and connections in senior sports management to say who's fully qualified to be CEO or chairman. Our job is to agitate for and instigate change, not to be the CEO or chairman.

I never suggested anything about not being calm or professional, of course you would be, but one can do this assertively and by not playing totally clean either. Management have been playing dirty for some time, we have to meet fire with fire, I'm happy to do so, as are some others, if others want to try a more passive approaching that's on them, I wish you well, but don't expect anything meaningful to change

I can't control the behaviour of management but I can control mine and how I act is important to me. That importance mainly come from the fact anytime I have moved away from the values my father instilled in me I have not been ok with my own behaviour. I am not talking about a passive approach either, just becuase it won't be the same approach as what you would take does not mean it will be passive.

I am not suggesting coming up with ideas for who should be on the board but it is important to know what and how you are seeking change.

As we have been working closely with the club, I believe that it is respectful and professional to approach them first. I don't want to preempt that too much but in all honesty I do not expect them to respond well to what we have to say.

After that the intention would be to build pressure through fan and media support. I believe the only true way to get change at this club is as you have said is to build enough pressure for the Holman Barnes Group to feel compelled to make changes and to override the culture of self-preservation. I think it is important to have a very clear message around the current structures, why they are not working and strategies for change. Ranting "Sack Pascoe" doesn't achieve anything. If those messages can be delivered through media support in a clear, passionate, calm and professional manner then I believe that is much harder to dismiss than an old man yelling at clouds.

I think the first step in all of that is to call for a proper club wide independent review, including at board level, that would hopefully lead to more professional and rigorous recruitment strategies for key positions within the club. The independent review is important as looking from the outside like we all are it is very difficult to determine where the issues are. We can all guess and are probably right but I think it is important to get these things right.

At present board members are appointed by the various groups that make up the ownership group, this is where the issues lay, there is no accountability around who is appointed.

In all reality to running of the entire Holman Barnes Group, including Wests Tigers and Wests Magpies comes down to the decisions of the 20 people who have control over the powerbase of the Holman Barnes Group board.



These are all only my own ideas

 

[balmain boy]

I can't control the behaviour of management but I can control mine and how I act is important to me. That importance mainly come from the fact anytime I have moved away from the values my father instilled in me I have not been ok with my own behaviour. I am not talking about a passive approach either, just becuase it won't be the same approach as what you would take does not mean it will be passive.

I am not suggesting coming up with ideas for who should be on the board but it is important to know what and how you are seeking change.

As we have been working closely with the club, I believe that it is respectful and professional to approach them first. I don't want to preempt that too much but in all honesty I do not expect them to respond well to what we have to say.

After that the intention would be to build pressure through fan and media support. I believe the only true way to get change at this club is as you have said is to build enough pressure for the Holman Barnes Group to feel compelled to make changes and to override the culture of self-preservation. I think it is important to have a very clear message around the current structures, why they are not working and strategies for change. Ranting "Sack Pascoe" doesn't achieve anything. If those messages can be delivered through media support in a clear, passionate, calm and professional manner then I believe that is much harder to dismiss than an old man yelling at clouds.

I think the first step in all of that is to call for a proper club wide independent review, including at board level, that would hopefully lead to more professional and rigorous recruitment strategies for key positions within the club. The independent review is important as looking from the outside like we all are it is very difficult to determine where the issues are. We can all guess and are probably right but I think it is important to get these things right.

At present board members are appointed by the various groups that make up the ownership group, this is where the issues lay, there is no accountability around who is appointed.

In all reality to running of the entire Holman Barnes Group, including Wests Tigers and Wests Magpies comes down to the decisions of the 20 people who have control over the powerbase of the Holman Barnes Group board.



These are all only my own ideas

I understand given your relationship with the club that you first want to take the respectful approach, and I too don't expect much to come of that. But I respect you following those protocols and your values.
I'm more interested in pressuring stakeholders for meaningful change, so maybe hit me up once we get to that point.

 

[cochise]

I understand given your relationship with the club that you first want to take the respectful approach, and I too don't expect much to come of that. But I respect you following those protocols and your values.
I'm more interested in pressuring stakeholders for meaningful change, so maybe hit me up once we get to that point.

I would think that is about a week away.

 

[tony soprano]

I can't control the behaviour of management but I can control mine and how I act is important to me. That importance mainly come from the fact anytime I have moved away from the values my father instilled in me I have not been ok with my own behaviour. I am not talking about a passive approach either, just becuase it won't be the same approach as what you would take does not mean it will be passive.

I am not suggesting coming up with ideas for who should be on the board but it is important to know what and how you are seeking change.

As we have been working closely with the club, I believe that it is respectful and professional to approach them first. I don't want to preempt that too much but in all honesty I do not expect them to respond well to what we have to say.

After that the intention would be to build pressure through fan and media support. I believe the only true way to get change at this club is as you have said is to build enough pressure for the Holman Barnes Group to feel compelled to make changes and to override the culture of self-preservation. I think it is important to have a very clear message around the current structures, why they are not working and strategies for change. Ranting "Sack Pascoe" doesn't achieve anything. If those messages can be delivered through media support in a clear, passionate, calm and professional manner then I believe that is much harder to dismiss than an old man yelling at clouds.

I think the first step in all of that is to call for a proper club wide independent review, including at board level, that would hopefully lead to more professional and rigorous recruitment strategies for key positions within the club. The independent review is important as looking from the outside like we all are it is very difficult to determine where the issues are. We can all guess and are probably right but I think it is important to get these things right.

At present board members are appointed by the various groups that make up the ownership group, this is where the issues lay, there is no accountability around who is appointed.

In all reality to running of the entire Holman Barnes Group, including Wests Tigers and Wests Magpies comes down to the decisions of the 20 people who have control over the powerbase of the Holman Barnes Group board.



These are all only my own ideas

Who would conduct the review?

 

[cochise]

Who would conduct the review?

Me


Only kidding, I would like to see an outside agency do this, a company that specialises in this sort of thing. Someone like KPMG, hopefully they would engage someone to assist in the football side of things.

I'm not an expert in this sort of stuff but I'm sure the right agency could be found.

 

[tony soprano]

Me


Only kidding, I would like to see an outside agency do this, a company that specialises in this sort of thing. Someone like KPMG, hopefully they would engage someone to assist in the football side of things.

I'm not an expert in this sort of stuff but I'm sure the right agency could be found.

Yeh I'm not sure either.

In the media you hear a Gould or Brian Smith type doing reviews.

I think parra were forced into a similar exercise by the government and worked out well for them when they were forced to apply a standard criteria for roles.

 

[innsaneink]

Keep up the good fight guys.... Happy to help out if I can

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Me


Only kidding, I would like to see an outside agency do this, a company that specialises in this sort of thing. Someone like KPMG, hopefully they would engage someone to assist in the football side of things.

I'm not an expert in this sort of stuff but I'm sure the right agency could be found.

Would it even be worth having the likes KPMG, PWC, Deloitte et al, to look at professional sporting organisations? I mean yeah they can comb the books and say here's where you're going wrong but if we're in a strong financial position other than looking at our on field results and saying "yeah you need to do better," without a fundamental understanding of professional Rugby League would they even be able to make the appropriate ajudication outside of the rudimentary recommendations that some of the fan base can make?