Xerri Stood Down after Drug Test

[pawsandclaws1]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

I'm sure the club does have a duty of care but that does not mean they assume all responsibility for his actions. He could easily have been influenced by dodgy mates or family or made his own decision to seek out these types of substances because he didn't want his career being slowed down by injury. How are his coach and trainers supposed to monitor his every act? Unless they're blood testing him or he's showing overt signs of substance abuse they really have no way of knowing. I'm not sure what measures you think the club could have taken to prevent a player taking substances outside of the club's grounds of his own volition (which for all we know at this stage could have been the scenario).
I can't see PVL doing anything to punish the Sharks unless they are somehow implicated in evidence yet to be revealed. I don't see why it should have been incumbent on them (as distinct from any other club) to implement a testing regime over and above the ASADA regime. If the NRL want to introduce that then it has to be across the board, and I'm pretty sure the RLPA would not be keen on subjecting its members to further intrusive blood testing.

It is noticeable how solid he had become in the shoulders and chest in a reasonably short period of time following shoulder surgery. This is a teenager with not many NRL games experience. In addition, his sprint Coach made comment of his increase in pace over other NRL players from other clubs who themselves are quick. All in all, more than enough for an NRL coach and professional staff to have that chat with the player.

He's 19 and training professionally, it's not necessarily outside the norm that he would bulk up significantly or improve his pace. Plenty do so naturally at that age and some do at even younger ages. So someone from the club should have gone up to him and by implication or otherwise suggested he was juicing, and then expected him to give an honest response if he was? That seems a little unrealistic to me.

I believe the Club would keep player stats on sprint times , weight etc and would have at least an informed knowledge of what is possible and what is not. I don't doubt science is available to assist. An NRL coach having a one on one expressing concern for the teenager"s well being is not unrealistic.

 

[innsaneink]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? 🙄

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

There is no doubt he should receive punishment. But seriously, a super quick, super strong Xerri after major shoulder surgery?

 

[JD Tiger]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

The club has likely benefited from this. If Xerri is guilty, and has been using, who knows when he started using. He did rocket to stardom very young, and went from unknown to a high profile player almost overnight. If guilty, it would be reasonable to suspect he's been using for a while, and the Sharks received the advantage from that. Should they just claim ignorance, reap the benefits, and wash their hands from all accountability?

Similar to the concept of receiving stolen goods, you still get in trouble (I think).

 

[Furious1]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

There is no doubt he should receive punishment. But seriously, a super quick, super strong Xerri after major shoulder surgery?

It makes you wonder if his sprint coach suspected anything? Surely in that field he would have seen plenty of it before and would have queried the amount of speed improvement in such a short time.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

There is no doubt he should receive punishment. But seriously, a super quick, super strong Xerri after major shoulder surgery?

It makes you wonder if his sprint coach suspected anything? Surely in that field he would have seen plenty of it before and would have queried the amount of speed improvement in such a short time.

I read on the Manly forum one of the players is a Knights player, the other a quick Storm player. I am not suggesting these players have done anything wrong but the sprint coach noted Xerri's gain in speed over these players. Both of these players are fast.

 

[Geo]

Why don't you just say faster than Kaylin Pongo and Josh Addo-Carr...

Fabri did an interview on the news a stated it...no need to trawl the Manly forum...bluck..

 

[Tcat]

Not sure whether anyone has spoken about this, but do any clubs test their own players or do they only wait for ASADA to conduct the test? If clubs are serious about stamping out drug cheats they should be regularly testing their players/clubs financial asset. There's enough medical staff at every club to conduct these tests a couple of times a year.

 

[Geo]

Not sure whether anyone has spoken about this, but do any clubs test their own players or do they only wait for ASADA to conduct the test? If clubs are serious about stamping out drug cheats they should be regularly testing their players/clubs financial asset. There's enough medical staff at every club to conduct these tests a couple of times a year.

NRL Clubs do there own testing outside of ASADA…what does that tell you…

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Why don't you just say faster than Kaylin Pongo and Josh Addo-Carr...

Fabri did an interview on the news a stated it...no need to trawl the Manly forum...bluck..

I didn't want to bring their names into it. I am not a Manly hater especially now after their newly found poverty.

 

[Tcat]

Not sure whether anyone has spoken about this, but do any clubs test their own players or do they only wait for ASADA to conduct the test? If clubs are serious about stamping out drug cheats they should be regularly testing their players/clubs financial asset. There's enough medical staff at every club to conduct these tests a couple of times a year.

NRL Clubs do there own testing outside of ASADA…what does that tell you…

Ah ha. That says more than enough.

 

[tiger_one]

NRL Clubs do there own testing outside of ASADA...what does that tell you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmzsWxPLIOo

 

[JB]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

It makes you wonder if his sprint coach suspected anything? Surely in that field he would have seen plenty of it before and would have queried the amount of speed improvement in such a short time.

His sprint coach (Fabri) was interviewed on Big Sports Breakfast on Thursday; said the rate of speed improvement was the result of focusing on the mechanics of sprinting and was a natural improvement. Was a good interview, link here: http://media.skyracing.com.au/POD/1/Cm9Ti9.mp3

 

[JD Tiger]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

It makes you wonder if his sprint coach suspected anything? Surely in that field he would have seen plenty of it before and would have queried the amount of speed improvement in such a short time.

His sprint coach (Fabri) was interviewed on Big Sports Breakfast on Thursday; said the rate of speed improvement was the result of focusing on the mechanics of sprinting and was a natural improvement. Was a good interview, link here: http://media.skyracing.com.au/POD/1/Cm9Ti9.mp3

What a silly thing for him to say. He could say it 'seemed' like a natural improvement, or it was a progression that looked the same as natural improvements he had seen before, but how could he say it 'was' a natural improvement?

Thank you for posting the interview.

(Edit: I listened to this interview now, and I do like the way the sprint coach expresses himself. Certainly is a good interview.)

 

[Tiger5150]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

There is no doubt he should receive punishment. But seriously, a super quick, super strong Xerri after major shoulder surgery?

It makes you wonder if his sprint coach suspected anything? Surely in that field he would have seen plenty of it before and would have queried the amount of speed improvement in such a short time.

I read on the Manly forum one of the players is a Knights player, the other a quick Storm player. I am not suggesting these players have done anything wrong but the sprint coach noted Xerri's gain in speed over these players. Both of these players are fast.

Need to be careful with this, it could be a circular argument. Drug cheat trains with two other players who are also fast does not equal they are all on the gear. It would take just one person to put together A + B = Y and then there is a story on the net.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

There is no doubt he should receive punishment. But seriously, a super quick, super strong Xerri after major shoulder surgery?

It makes you wonder if his sprint coach suspected anything? Surely in that field he would have seen plenty of it before and would have queried the amount of speed improvement in such a short time.

I read on the Manly forum one of the players is a Knights player, the other a quick Storm player. I am not suggesting these players have done anything wrong but the sprint coach noted Xerri's gain in speed over these players. Both of these players are fast.


Need to be careful with this, it could be a circular argument. Drug cheat trains with two other players who are also fast does not equal they are all on the gear. It would take just one person to put together A + B = Y and then there is a story on the net.

I made it clear in my post that I wasn't suggesting they had done anything wrong It was another poster who named them which I didn't do.

 

[Tiger5150]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Or how about an individual taking responsibility for his own actions? ?

There is no doubt he should receive punishment. But seriously, a super quick, super strong Xerri after major shoulder surgery?

It makes you wonder if his sprint coach suspected anything? Surely in that field he would have seen plenty of it before and would have queried the amount of speed improvement in such a short time.

I read on the Manly forum one of the players is a Knights player, the other a quick Storm player. I am not suggesting these players have done anything wrong but the sprint coach noted Xerri's gain in speed over these players. Both of these players are fast.


Need to be careful with this, it could be a circular argument. Drug cheat trains with two other players who are also fast does not equal they are all on the gear. It would take just one person to put together A + B = Y and then there is a story on the net.

I made it clear in my post that I wasn't suggesting they had done anything wrong It was another poster who named them which I didn't do.

Yeah of course, my "we" need to be careful comment was a collective we....

 

[pawsandclaws1]

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[851]

He would've seen the feather that got used on the Sharks club after their last group drug-cheating effort and thought "bloody oath, why the hell not give it a crack?". Blokes from back then basically served their suspensions in the off-season, club kept its tainted Premiership.....no deterrent there whatsoever.

This is my view of the whole ordeal as well, and Toddles has his hands all over it, if he actually investigated properly, and found guilt and stripped the 2016 title like they did to Melbourne, this would never be a factor.

 

[851]

When do we get B results?

Usually takes 2 weeks