Your unpopular opinions.

[Cultured_Bogan]

The Defence forces are an expensive boondoggle, thinly veiled as essential whose primary purpose is to provide employment,pageantry and a feeling of being 'protected'

I'm surely not the only person who thinks this?

On the defense force, the term ''they serve to protect our country'' is something i have trouble understanding when the majority of fighting they do are in other countries.

I would like to see Australia adopt a pacifist constitution where we only protect our own backyard when it is under threat. Running off into sovereign nations and killing civilians (obviously not intentionally,) is something our armed forces should be engaging in. Iraq is very much a poster child as to why the West should not get involved in the Middle East.

I appreciate your stance and it comes from a humane root but I think IRAQ was a battle in a much bigger war.Now the Arab countries are starting to see the pure evil that is these death cults that have infected their religion and way of life.More and More now We are seeing arab countries saying dont worry USA this is our problem and we will/want to smash these people off the face of the planet.Jordan,Iraq,Egypt,qatar and Bahrain to name a few.

PS the military model you are referring to that you would like for us to adopt is one that Japan has had since the end of WW2 Thanks to the my friends the west(but not yours it seems).The pacifist way of the Japanese certainly didnt help those Japanese that were beheaded the other night did it.

Its a shame japan a country so civilized and peaceful had to feel the brunt of this scum.

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/jordan-continues-their-revenge-on-isis-carrying-out-airstrikes-against-the-terror-group/story-fnh81ifq-1227209129504

Yes I am well aware of the origins/catalysts for Japan adopting a pacifist constitution (thanks to our friends in the West who thought that vaporising 150,000 people was an appropriate response to military action,) but I don't see how invading sovereign nations who don't ask for our help is productive. We helped in toppling Saddam, and look at the result. The region is a quagmire and gave rise to this effort by ISIS.

Moreover, while I think the treatment of hostages by ISIS is deplorable, some personal responsibility has to come into play there. These journalists are there of their own volition and they accept the potential dangers. Not to say they deserve what is coming to them in any way, shape or form, but it's hardly surprising that this sort of thing is happening in such a volatile and violent region.

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

Hadley wouldn't know what was the truth if it jumped up and bit him on the bum. Like most of his shock jock mates ,he only says what he knows will polarise opinions , and only cares about ratings.

Aah Gold Coast welcome back habibi(friend if you dont know what that means).Those that feel he polarises are those that struggle to live in Australia(a nation that has over 200 nationalities living in relative harmony).What Im trying to say is those that are too damn arrogant to accept another culture due to their own retarded,racist ways are the ones who scream Hadley polarises.

Its just that they need top get over their own racist ways.Its ironic that Hadley is loved by so many in the land of many cultures but his haters(and I mean real hate like would kill him tomorrow if they could)come from a land far far away where if you dont follow their culture and accidentally fart in public you are beheaded.

Australia has halal for eg.Ok fair enough its a muslims belief(but its not fair the Australian tax payer has to foot the amazingly large bill for its certification of products).How would me and my countrymen(AUSSIES) go In Saudi Arabia demanding all our meals were non-Halal As it was against our Beliefs.Oh and Saudi Arabia you foot the bill and not one word of whinging or I will sue you for racism in the court of law and call your shock jock a polarising insensitive grub.

Geeeeez Jerry!! :master:
I'm sorry I didn't ask you first :astonished: if It was ok for me to have an opinion.
You off your medication again????
And I'm sorry if RAY HAdley is an egotistic jerk
:crazy

BTW I think Waleed Aly is a truly great man.

Can you explain to me why Waleed Aly chooses to crap on the one nation that chose to give him a chance in life when the 110 countries in between said get stuffed we are not having you.?And why you call him a great man but choose not to acknowledge all the great things Ray Hadley does like charity support etc(apart from him being an ego filled wanker)?

Word of advice when we debate try not to go all childish and throw rocks at me try to use facts if you can.

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

I would like to see Australia adopt a pacifist constitution where we only protect our own backyard when it is under threat. Running off into sovereign nations and killing civilians (obviously not intentionally,) is something our armed forces should be engaging in. Iraq is very much a poster child as to why the West should not get involved in the Middle East.

I appreciate your stance and it comes from a humane root but I think IRAQ was a battle in a much bigger war.Now the Arab countries are starting to see the pure evil that is these death cults that have infected their religion and way of life.More and More now We are seeing arab countries saying dont worry USA this is our problem and we will/want to smash these people off the face of the planet.Jordan,Iraq,Egypt,qatar and Bahrain to name a few.

PS the military model you are referring to that you would like for us to adopt is one that Japan has had since the end of WW2 Thanks to the my friends the west(but not yours it seems).The pacifist way of the Japanese certainly didnt help those Japanese that were beheaded the other night did it.

Its a shame japan a country so civilized and peaceful had to feel the brunt of this scum.

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/jordan-continues-their-revenge-on-isis-carrying-out-airstrikes-against-the-terror-group/story-fnh81ifq-1227209129504

Yes I am well aware of the origins/catalysts for Japan adopting a pacifist constitution (thanks to our friends in the West who thought that vaporising 150,000 people was an appropriate response to military action,) but I don't see how invading sovereign nations who don't ask for our help is productive. We helped in toppling Saddam, and look at the result. The region is a quagmire and gave rise to this effort by ISIS.

Moreover, while I think the treatment of hostages by ISIS is deplorable, some personal responsibility has to come into play there. These journalists are there of their own volition and they accept the potential dangers. Not to say they deserve what is coming to them in any way, shape or form, but it's hardly surprising that this sort of thing is happening in such a volatile and violent region.

As deplorable and disgusting as the vaporising was in terms of humanity it quickened the war and saved millions of lives on both sides so as crazy as this sounds perhaps it was the humane solution.Without it the war wasnt stopping.Its all well and good with abusing someone(west and free world) in their efforts in how to deal with the
madman(terrorists) but may I ask what yourperfect solution is for what is this scourge called ISIS?

 

[Tony33]

My list of unpopular opinions:

1\. Many players purposely lose games

2\. Soccer will be the biggest sport in Australia in 50 years

3\. Benji Marshall was overated

4\. Melbourne has a better lifestyle than Sydney

5\. Betting Agency ads should be illegal

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1.Many players purposely lose games?No way Id agree with that not in this country anyhow?But yes it does happen when criminals can influence mentally fragile people.

2.I agree.Probably in about 30 years.

3.Benji was overated but certainly not in 2005 :sign:

4.I feel the cold weather eats into the "lifestyle".

5.I agree with you 1000%

You'd be surprised Jerry. I know of a few high profile players who are big big gamblers (losing up to $20,000 a day) and have had some "questionable" performances in the past. One used to play for us and now plays for an opposing NRL team.

Don't underestimate the lenghts gambling will take some people, particularly when you're losing so much money. They would do anything to get it back…anything

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[Jerry_Seinfeld]

My list of unpopular opinions:

1\. Many players purposely lose games

2\. Soccer will be the biggest sport in Australia in 50 years

3\. Benji Marshall was overated

4\. Melbourne has a better lifestyle than Sydney

5\. Betting Agency ads should be illegal

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1.Many players purposely lose games?No way Id agree with that not in this country anyhow?But yes it does happen when criminals can influence mentally fragile people.

2.I agree.Probably in about 30 years.

3.Benji was overated but certainly not in 2005 :sign:

4.I feel the cold weather eats into the "lifestyle".

5.I agree with you 1000%

You'd be surprised Jerry. I know of a few high profile players who are big big gamblers (losing up to $20,000 a day) and have had some "questionable" performances in the past. One used to play for us and now plays for an opposing NRL team.

Don't underestimate the lenghts gambling will take some people, particularly when you're losing so much money. They would do anything to get it back…anything

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A few is not many.Just saying.Its a problem but it aint massive(in terms of players numbers)

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I would like to see Australia adopt a pacifist constitution where we only protect our own backyard when it is under threat. Running off into sovereign nations and killing civilians (obviously not intentionally,) is something our armed forces should be engaging in. Iraq is very much a poster child as to why the West should not get involved in the Middle East.

I appreciate your stance and it comes from a humane root but I think IRAQ was a battle in a much bigger war.Now the Arab countries are starting to see the pure evil that is these death cults that have infected their religion and way of life.More and More now We are seeing arab countries saying dont worry USA this is our problem and we will/want to smash these people off the face of the planet.Jordan,Iraq,Egypt,qatar and Bahrain to name a few.

PS the military model you are referring to that you would like for us to adopt is one that Japan has had since the end of WW2 Thanks to the my friends the west(but not yours it seems).The pacifist way of the Japanese certainly didnt help those Japanese that were beheaded the other night did it.

Its a shame japan a country so civilized and peaceful had to feel the brunt of this scum.

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/jordan-continues-their-revenge-on-isis-carrying-out-airstrikes-against-the-terror-group/story-fnh81ifq-1227209129504

Yes I am well aware of the origins/catalysts for Japan adopting a pacifist constitution (thanks to our friends in the West who thought that vaporising 150,000 people was an appropriate response to military action,) but I don't see how invading sovereign nations who don't ask for our help is productive. We helped in toppling Saddam, and look at the result. The region is a quagmire and gave rise to this effort by ISIS.

Moreover, while I think the treatment of hostages by ISIS is deplorable, some personal responsibility has to come into play there. These journalists are there of their own volition and they accept the potential dangers. Not to say they deserve what is coming to them in any way, shape or form, but it's hardly surprising that this sort of thing is happening in such a volatile and violent region.

As deplorable and disgusting as the vaporising was in terms of humanity it quickened the war and saved millions of lives on both sides so as crazy as this sounds perhaps it was the humane solution.Without it the war wasnt stopping.Its all well and good with abusing someone(west and free world) in their efforts in how to deal with the
madman(terrorists) but may I ask what your perfect solution is for what is this scourge called ISIS?

Allow the sovereign Middle Eastern nations deal with it? Involvement of Western nations in Muslim conflicts only hurts their credibility in the Middle East and allows groups like ISIS an opportunity to apportion the blame to Western nations and further stir up anti-Western sentiment. That's how you end up with 9/11, the bombings in London and Bali & sieges in Sydney cafes.

 

[Tony33]

I actually like the new back page panel and layout. It combines humour with a pretty insightful view of all sports pretty well. I had nothing against the older version either though.

Waleed is a pretty funny bloke actually; then again the whole project panel is pretty funny.

Both are good, well thought out shows IMO

Waleed Aly has shown time and time again he thinks he has a given right to crap on Australia thru his paper articles.He at times shows zero respect for his adopted country.You see Tony its a very long way from his Mother country of Egypt and the 110 countries in between(including all his muslim brothers and cousins bro) said to his parents "get stuffed we arent having your sorry ass" he chooses to crap on the one country that did take him and his parents in.

You may be able to look past this and call the guy funny and a legend but sadly I can never look past his disgusting racist and xenophobic notions he has on Australia.

I'm just judging the bloke off his perfomances on the Project, otherwise i wouldn't know him from a bar of soap. I never called him a legend, just stated that I find him funny.

Mate to be honest I really don't give two dams about the stuff you're ranting on about. It's amazing how you can manage to turn every thread into something that enables you to go on a racist, uneducated, one-eyed rant about something your obviously passionate about but has nothing to do with most of us.

I come here to talk footy and other social stuff that is not related to wars, religion and the like. If i wanted to know and read about that stuff I'd put the news on or post in threads that are related to those topics.

By all means feel free to express your opinions, thats what this forum is for but that doesn't mean you need to hikack every thread, aggressively attack people who don't agree with you and go on your racist, fictional rants when it's not even remoteley linked to the thread subject.

Maybe the best solution is to create your own thread, go on your rant and you can discuss it in there. That way you can attack who ever you want, when ever you want and the rest of us don't have to deal with it if we don't want to.

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[Tony33]

My list of unpopular opinions:

1\. Many players purposely lose games

2\. Soccer will be the biggest sport in Australia in 50 years

3\. Benji Marshall was overated

4\. Melbourne has a better lifestyle than Sydney

5\. Betting Agency ads should be illegal

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1.Many players purposely lose games?No way Id agree with that not in this country anyhow?But yes it does happen when criminals can influence mentally fragile people.

2.I agree.Probably in about 30 years.

3.Benji was overated but certainly not in 2005 :sign:

4.I feel the cold weather eats into the "lifestyle".

5.I agree with you 1000%

You'd be surprised Jerry. I know of a few high profile players who are big big gamblers (losing up to $20,000 a day) and have had some "questionable" performances in the past. One used to play for us and now plays for an opposing NRL team.

Don't underestimate the lenghts gambling will take some people, particularly when you're losing so much money. They would do anything to get it back…anything

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A few is not many.Just saying.Its a problem but it aint massive(in terms of players numbers)

Thats your unpopular opinion. Then again most of yours are.

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[TrueTiger]

Hey guys,could we find a reasonable conclusion to this discussion as it seems to go on and on with no reasonable out come..

I see everyone's arguement and points,however it seems to me that it will have no satisfactory outcome from all parties,it is a typical agree to disagree topic and could go on forever…

For the sake of the forum in general could we debate something football or other sensible topic..all that is happening is giving Hadley and Aly unnessessary forum time...cheers fellas,have a good day....

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

Thats your unpopular opinion. Then again most of yours are.

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Sorry Im not here to argue.Dont know where that hateful comment comes from.

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

Hey guys,could we find a reasonable conclusion to this discussion as it seems to go on and on with no reasonable out come..

I see everyone's arguement and points,however it seems to me that it will have no satisfactory outcome from all parties,it is a typical agree to disagree topic and could go on forever…

For the sake of the forum in general could we debate something football or other sensible topic..all that is happening is giving Hadley and Aly unnessessary forum time...cheers fellas,have a good day....

Thanks and duly noted.I think this thread had danger written all over it.Just wish some would use more views/facts and less name calling to get their point across.

 

[TrueTiger]

Jerry,that's what I was alluding to,the more the arguement goes on,the more frustrated and angry people get,which in turn causes people to name call etc…

We are all adults and should conduct our discussions in the appropriate manner,I'm no exception,I think I have had a few threads deleted for the exact thing.boils down to FRUSTRATION...

But then again it is human nature...

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

Jerry,that's what I was alluding to,the more the arguement goes on,the more frustrated and angry people get,which in turn causes people to name call etc…

We are all adults and should conduct our discussions in the appropriate manner,I'm no exception,I think I have had a few threads deleted for the exact thing.boils down to FRUSTRATION...

But then again it is human nature...

True Tiger you are the voice of reason.Open debate is fine but deciding to disagree with someone on everything and attempt eternal arguments just cause you dont agree with someone on one topic like politics etc is ridiculous.Not you just sayin.You really are a good guy. :sign: :sign:

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

I appreciate your stance and it comes from a humane root but I think IRAQ was a battle in a much bigger war.Now the Arab countries are starting to see the pure evil that is these death cults that have infected their religion and way of life.More and More now We are seeing arab countries saying dont worry USA this is our problem and we will/want to smash these people off the face of the planet.Jordan,Iraq,Egypt,qatar and Bahrain to name a few.

PS the military model you are referring to that you would like for us to adopt is one that Japan has had since the end of WW2 Thanks to the my friends the west(but not yours it seems).The pacifist way of the Japanese certainly didnt help those Japanese that were beheaded the other night did it.

Its a shame japan a country so civilized and peaceful had to feel the brunt of this scum.

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/jordan-continues-their-revenge-on-isis-carrying-out-airstrikes-against-the-terror-group/story-fnh81ifq-1227209129504

Yes I am well aware of the origins/catalysts for Japan adopting a pacifist constitution (thanks to our friends in the West who thought that vaporising 150,000 people was an appropriate response to military action,) but I don't see how invading sovereign nations who don't ask for our help is productive. We helped in toppling Saddam, and look at the result. The region is a quagmire and gave rise to this effort by ISIS.

Moreover, while I think the treatment of hostages by ISIS is deplorable, some personal responsibility has to come into play there. These journalists are there of their own volition and they accept the potential dangers. Not to say they deserve what is coming to them in any way, shape or form, but it's hardly surprising that this sort of thing is happening in such a volatile and violent region.

As deplorable and disgusting as the vaporising was in terms of humanity it quickened the war and saved millions of lives on both sides so as crazy as this sounds perhaps it was the humane solution.Without it the war wasnt stopping.Its all well and good with abusing someone(west and free world) in their efforts in how to deal with the
madman(terrorists) but may I ask what your perfect solution is for what is this scourge called ISIS?

Allow the sovereign Middle Eastern nations deal with it? Involvement of Western nations in Muslim conflicts only hurts their credibility in the Middle East and allows groups like ISIS an opportunity to apportion the blame to Western nations and further stir up anti-Western sentiment. That's how you end up with 9/11, the bombings in London and Bali & sieges in Sydney cafes.

Yes I agree with allowing the sovereign Middle Eastern Nations to deal with it.It just seamt it took 30 years for these nations to acknowledge that it was much more than an excuse for the west to grab all their oil these nations are starting to see the light(and more importantly have the necessary resources to win the wars and I hope the west doesnt have to fight anymore in the middle east and they can keep all their oil too

.Lord knows America and Canada etc has more than enough for itself.It would be great one day if there was total peace in the Middle east and the rest of the world could visit its many treasures within without fear of reprisals etc if they were westerners,jews,christians or anything else.I know that most are very hospitable people just referring to the ISIS etc that lie within.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Why do you think the USA are flooding the market now? They're trying to reduce the worlds reliance on the Middle East for oil. Oil from Saudi Arabia (whom are funding the Wahabbist expansion through the Muslim world,) and ISIS is worth bugger all now since the Yanks have upped production and created an oversupply.

Do you know which group is most at risk from violence & death from Muslim extremism?

Other Muslims.

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

Why do you think the USA are flooding the market now? They're trying to reduce the worlds reliance on the Middle East for oil. Oil from Saudi Arabia (whom are funding the Wahabbist expansion through the Muslim world,) and ISIS is worth bugger all now since the Yanks have upped production and created an oversupply.

Do you know which group is most at risk from violence & death from Muslim extremism?

Other Muslims.

Yes agreed.I feel very sorry for those innocent muslims and have for the last 30 years while the liberal loving western media were all too focused on blaming America,Israel for all its troubles.Im well aware of America and its footprints it has left in the middle east and also the footprints left by its enemies in the middle east and it wasnt the Americans killing aid workers or blowing up all the education outlets,hospitals etc or people watching the asian cup.

 

[Goose]

lol…Jerry....that explains a lot....

I dont like the guy's ego or the way he treats his staff or the way he treats his callers like crap but one thing he does very well is he speaks facts and not some politically correct dribble from someone who has lived their whole life in some politically correct bubble.His honesty is refreshing.As is his relentless efforts with charities.

he doesnt speak facts….he presents opinions as facts (right winged, ultra conservative and borderline racist opinions at that)

A fact is the unemployment is rate is x%
An opinion is unemployment is too high and is caused by the ineptitude of the government.....

Ray certainly talks in opinion, not facts.....

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

lol…Jerry....that explains a lot....

I dont like the guy's ego or the way he treats his staff or the way he treats his callers like crap but one thing he does very well is he speaks facts and not some politically correct dribble from someone who has lived their whole life in some politically correct bubble.His honesty is refreshing.As is his relentless efforts with charities.

he doesnt speak facts….he presents opinions as facts (right winged, ultra conservative and borderline racist opinions at that)

A fact is the unemployment is rate is x%
An opinion is unemployment is too high and is caused by the ineptitude of the government.....

Ray certainly talks in opinion, not facts.....

.He speaks facts when it comes to things like beauracrats that are doing ridiculous jobs and Ray does very well at finding them out and making them come clean is my opinion. To use True Tigers sentiments weve covered Ray Hadley and Waleed Aly enough.lets just draw a conclusion to agree to disagree shall we

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Why do you think the USA are flooding the market now? They're trying to reduce the worlds reliance on the Middle East for oil. Oil from Saudi Arabia (whom are funding the Wahabbist expansion through the Muslim world,) and ISIS is worth bugger all now since the Yanks have upped production and created an oversupply.

Do you know which group is most at risk from violence & death from Muslim extremism?

Other Muslims.

Yes agreed.I feel very sorry for those innocent muslims and have for the last 30 years while the liberal loving western media were all too focused on blaming America,Israel for all its troubles.Im well aware of America and its footprints it has left in the middle east and also the footprints left by its enemies in the middle east and it wasnt the Americans killing aid workers or blowing up all the education outlets,hospitals etc or people watching the asian cup.

Nah, it's just Western nations killing women and kids as collateral damage.

Everyone forgets that the biggest victims are other Muslims, but we'll all fly off the handle when a Yank journalist or English aid worker gets beheaded.

 

[Tony33]

Why do you think the USA are flooding the market now? They're trying to reduce the worlds reliance on the Middle East for oil. Oil from Saudi Arabia (whom are funding the Wahabbist expansion through the Muslim world,) and ISIS is worth bugger all now since the Yanks have upped production and created an oversupply.

Do you know which group is most at risk from violence & death from Muslim extremism?

Other Muslims.

Yes agreed.I feel very sorry for those innocent muslims and have for the last 30 years while the liberal loving western media were all too focused on blaming America,Israel for all its troubles.Im well aware of America and its footprints it has left in the middle east and also the footprints left by its enemies in the middle east and it wasnt the Americans killing aid workers or blowing up all the education outlets,hospitals etc or people watching the asian cup.

Nah, it's just Western nations killing women and kids as collateral damage.

Everyone forgets that the biggest victims are other Muslims, but we'll all fly off the handle when a Yank journalist or English aid worker gets beheaded.

Exactly right CB. The biggest victims are the innocent, moderate citizens of the Middle East (Muslims and Christians) who by no fault of there own are being executed, beheaded, burnt alive, buried alive and/or being driven out of their homes.

These terrorist groups like ISIS weren't a problem when Suddam was in power because he knew how to cater for the different sects in Iraq and keep everyone under control. America goes barging in (rightly or wrongly is another can of worms) and kills him and now look at whats happened.

America is more than capable of protecting itself against the scum that is ISIS, but what about the rest of the Middle East who now have to deal with these barbaric groups. How are they going to stop the mass beheadings and killing of their children and families ?

Now when a serious threat has emerged, America and the rest of the politically correct world sits on there arses and refuse to clean the mess they made.

The only real leader is the King of Jordan who personally bombed and killed 55 ISIS soldiers the day after they burnt alive one of his own pilots. Now that is leadership, not like the politically correct, all talk no action leaders like Obama and Abbot.

This is just my opinion, it probably won't be popular but America owes it to the Middle East to extinguish ISIS once and for all, because they're the ones who created them.

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