Zane Musgrove

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Disappointing all round really.

Listening to Helmsey's and Ed's poddy this morning and they nailed it in terms of the opportunity afforded and he may have well blown it before he's even taken a hit up.

The other obvious issue is the wider issue of attitudes toward women. Some of these blokes have a seriously inflated sense of self value, couple that with money, too much time on their hands and everyone telling them they are all that and stuff like this will happen.

It is not a secret that domestic violence is prevalent in Australia and society is becoming fed up with it, and it has been highly publicised by organisations like White Ribbon, sporting partners like the NRL, politicians and high profile survivor-advocates like Rosie Batty. You couldn't avoid it even if you tried, I mean there is a campaign at the moment with NRL players, so when an NRL player gets caught up in a sexual assault or domestic violence issue, they can't exactly plead ignorant.

In any case, since he has not been found guilty of any crime I'll refrain from hanging him yet. This is just a commentary on players in general. Quite frankly the NRL needs to saddle up and start bouncing blokes from the game who are found guilty of violence or assault against women. Still baffles me that Rob Lui was allowed to register with North QLD after belting his missus two years straight.

Agree with your post CB,however after reading many other posts about Musgrove in this situation with sexual assault or otherwise toward a woman in this particular case,many have missed a very important area …the children who idolise the NRL players....
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Guilty or not Zane must understand as all others in his position,the children look up to these people and we must be careful not to send out the wrong message...its well and good to protect the women from these types and what he and many others have done in the past will not be tolerated,however if he is proven guilty he must not be given the opportunity to play in the NRL...No matter his ability or what the club needs to strengthen the pack or whatever position,he has forfieted that right by committing this indiscretion....

I dont know if he is guilty,however if he is then the penalty should be severe so as to deter these actions by others and show the children how wrong it is to do these sort of things within our society and to treat women with respect and have some dignity about yourself...just my opinion CB.....

Whilst I agree with your sentiments TT I fear that the horse has already bolted when it comes to the NRL dishing out punishment to DV offenders and setting an example for children and the wider community.

Inglis, Bird, Lodge, A’vua, Walker, Tetevano, Lui and I’m sure countless others have been given little more than a slap on the wrist for their DV indiscretions and have all been allowed back to play in the NRL, and reap all its advantages, within a relatively short period of time.

Making an example of Musgrove and Walker now won’t make up for the past mistakes. Despite their rhetoric to the contrary the message from the NRL is loud and clear - ‘violence against women isn’t advisable, but it’s not the end of the world either. You will be forgiven even if you’re not sorry and will be given the opportunity to make a life and a name for yourself in due time, no worries’
 
this does put us in a awkward situation.

And here i was hoping for no drama for us for a while ahahahah…..........
 
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So this happened 3 weeks ago, before he signed with us?
We Don't have details of the incident but from the sounds of it a drunk man groped a woman in a pub. Now of course I don't remotely condone that sort of behaviour. But if the incident was similar to this he won't be sacked. The club may have even known about it when they signed him.
We need aggressive players. I don't want a team of nice mannered choir boys. I want a team that wins. Successful clubs have no qualms signing these sort of players. If it was a serious crime then by all means feed him to the wolves

Aggression is one thing but assaulting a woman is a gutless Grub act,
Maybe you want a team like him, I dont, and I bet most of oursupporters would agree
 
Another reason that if he’s guilty, he shouldn’t be signed simply because he’s obviously stupid,
All these warnings and watching other fools who leave their brains at home, should be enough to give these people enough warning for them to think , it might’nt be a good idea to act like a Neanderthal :bash
 
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Agree, the key is to be the club that can turn them around. The Roosters and what they managed with Zane Tetevano is the perfect example.

Bingo.

We have him. He is on our books and we have signed a contract.

We should discipline him and see if he can change his ways.
There is a difference between a pattern of behaviour and an incident. Lets give him a chance to reform.

i dont know if anyone has done this but i'd be happy for us to tear up the contract but still support his "recovery" whether it be through providing psychs or helping in any way possible.
 
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Agree, the key is to be the club that can turn them around. The Roosters and what they managed with Zane Tetevano is the perfect example.

Bingo.

We have him. He is on our books and we have signed a contract.

We should discipline him and see if he can change his ways.
There is a difference between a pattern of behaviour and an incident. Lets give him a chance to reform.

Let Souffs give him a chance to reform.
 
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So this happened 3 weeks ago, before he signed with us?
We Don't have details of the incident but from the sounds of it a drunk man groped a woman in a pub. Now of course I don't remotely condone that sort of behaviour. But if the incident was similar to this he won't be sacked. The club may have even known about it when they signed him.
We need aggressive players. I don't want a team of nice mannered choir boys. I want a team that wins. Successful clubs have no qualms signing these sort of players. If it was a serious crime then by all means feed him to the wolves

Aggression is one thing but assaulting a woman is a gutless Grub act,
Maybe you want a team like him, I dont, and I bet most of oursupporters would agree

With you 100% Goldie….with all the work done in respect to white ribbon day I want my club to be a leader in this cause....no place for grubs in my club
 
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Everyone is entitled to due process. It would appear that some people on this forum do not believe in this concept.

I wonder if they would think the same if they were charged, or close friends or relatives were accused of a serious offence .

I think I know the answer to that question.

Let's see what happens in court.

Sorry but we are not his family or one of his mates, we support his employer. Who by the way he has disgraced with these alleged charges.

I would suggest looking up the description of an aggravated indecent assault. Have a real good look at what that charge actually means.
 
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Agree, the key is to be the club that can turn them around. The Roosters and what they managed with Zane Tetevano is the perfect example.

Bingo.

We have him. He is on our books and we have signed a contract.

We should discipline him and see if he can change his ways.
There is a difference between a pattern of behaviour and an incident. Lets give him a chance to reform.

i dont know if anyone has done this but i'd be happy for us to tear up the contract but still support his "recovery" whether it be through providing psychs or helping in any way possible.

Bit hard when he hasn't even played a game for us.

I believe your on the right path. One strike and you are out. However the club should help through the situation.

Hayne got done the other day and all greenburh said is that he is not contracted to the NRL so its nothing to do with us. Really? Hoe is the NRL not involved?

I think Walker and Musgove assuming there guilty, be allowed to work in the NRL while going to psychologists and the rest. Working into the NRL as on the sidelines. Not on the field.
 
Reading through Zero Tackle Musgrove was signed to the Rabbits till the end of 2020

He got a release to join the Tigers

Apparently his contract with us is not registered by the NRL at this point

If we decided to pull the contract would he still be on Rabbits books

Is Musgrove officially released from his Rabbits contract the day that his Contract with us is officially recognized by the NRL

Anyone know the actual rules on this
 
He's on no ones contract. I believe that if he is found guilty we can pull the contract. That leaves him with nothing. Stupid boy brought it on himself.
 
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Reading through Zero Tackle Musgrove was signed to the Rabbits till the end of 2020

He got a release to join the Tigers

Apparently his contract with us is not registered by the NRL at this point

If we decided to pull the contract would he still be on Rabbits books

Is Musgrove officially released from his Rabbits contract the day that his Contract with us is officially recognized by the NRL

Anyone know the actual rules on this

Good question, I would think until it is registered, he is still with souths, I could be wrong though
 
I don’t see why it matters whether the contract is registered or not. If he’s found guilty, we have grounds to tear the contract up.
 
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Agree, the key is to be the club that can turn them around. The Roosters and what they managed with Zane Tetevano is the perfect example.

Bingo.

We have him. He is on our books and we have signed a contract.

We should discipline him and see if he can change his ways.
There is a difference between **_a pattern of behaviour_** and an incident. Lets give him a chance to reform.

Well only 3 months ago he was convicted of wilful damage when he screamed at his GF and smashed a gate, the judge saying it was on the same level as domostic violence…..so there is that. Seems like a pattern to me.
 
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Everyone is entitled to due process. It would appear that some people on this forum do not believe in this concept.

I wonder if they would think the same if they were charged, or close friends or relatives were accused of a serious offence .

I think I know the answer to that question.

Let's see what happens in court.

Sorry but we are not his family or one of his mates, we support his employer. Who by the way he has disgraced with these alleged charges.

I would suggest looking up the description of an aggravated indecent assault. Have a real good look at what that charge actually means.

When something like this happens people will always be divided.

Some that know for a fact this man has had a history of this kind of behaviour and want it stopped, and don’t put club or winning games ahead of people’s well being.

And some that are not affected and solely think about what this does to our team.

Friends and family are who he should turn to now, not an employer!
This happens everyday, how many employees would be leaning on their boss for support? Especially the first month in.
His family needs to help him help himself.

Before musgrove signed the club was/is in a really good place, Madge and Pascoe need to decide which side of the fence their on.
 
If he is guilty the NRL should make a stand. It’s no good us tearing up his contract only for a Manly or a Parramatta to sign him. If he’s guilty he needs to be stood down - not from a club but from playing footy.

Oh - and he should go to gaol
 
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Everyone is entitled to due process. It would appear that some people on this forum do not believe in this concept.

I wonder if they would think the same if they were charged, or close friends or relatives were accused of a serious offence .

I think I know the answer to that question.

Let's see what happens in court.

Sorry but we are not his family or one of his mates, we support his employer. Who by the way he has disgraced with these alleged charges.

I would suggest looking up the description of an aggravated indecent assault. Have a real good look at what that charge actually means.

When something like this happens people will always be divided.

Some that know for a fact this man has had a history of this kind of behaviour and want it stopped, and don’t put club or winning games ahead of people’s well being.

And some that are not affected and solely think about what this does to our team.

Friends and family are who he should turn to now, not an employer!
This happens everyday, how many employees would be leaning on their boss for support? Especially the first month in.
His family needs to help him help himself.

Before musgrove signed the club was/is in a really good place, Madge and Pascoe need to decide which side of the fence their on.

Aggravated indecent assault is a related but more serious crime. In aggravated indecent assault, an offender penetrates the anus or genitals of another person without their consent. The offender uses force or threat of force. There was no medical, hygiene or law enforcement reason for the penetration.

Not directing it at yourself but people need to have a good look at what this charge is.
 
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Everyone is entitled to due process. It would appear that some people on this forum do not believe in this concept.

I wonder if they would think the same if they were charged, or close friends or relatives were accused of a serious offence .

I think I know the answer to that question.

Let's see what happens in court.

Sorry but we are not his family or one of his mates, we support his employer. Who by the way he has disgraced with these alleged charges.

I would suggest looking up the description of an aggravated indecent assault. Have a real good look at what that charge actually means.

When something like this happens people will always be divided.

Some that know for a fact this man has had a history of this kind of behaviour and want it stopped, and don’t put club or winning games ahead of people’s well being.

And some that are not affected and solely think about what this does to our team.

Friends and family are who he should turn to now, not an employer!
This happens everyday, how many employees would be leaning on their boss for support? Especially the first month in.
His family needs to help him help himself.

Before musgrove signed the club was/is in a really good place, Madge and Pascoe need to decide which side of the fence their on.

https://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/offences/sexual/aggravated-indecent-assault
 
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Everyone is entitled to due process. It would appear that some people on this forum do not believe in this concept.

I wonder if they would think the same if they were charged, or close friends or relatives were accused of a serious offence .

I think I know the answer to that question.

Let's see what happens in court.

Sorry but we are not his family or one of his mates, we support his employer. Who by the way he has disgraced with these alleged charges.

I would suggest looking up the description of an aggravated indecent assault. Have a real good look at what that charge actually means.

When something like this happens people will always be divided.

Some that know for a fact this man has had a history of this kind of behaviour and want it stopped, and don’t put club or winning games ahead of people’s well being.

And some that are not affected and solely think about what this does to our team.

Friends and family are who he should turn to now, not an employer!
This happens everyday, how many employees would be leaning on their boss for support? Especially the first month in.
His family needs to help him help himself.

Before musgrove signed the club was/is in a really good place, Madge and Pascoe need to decide which side of the fence their on.

Aggravated indecent assault is a related but more serious crime. In aggravated indecent assault, an offender penetrates the anus or genitals of another person without their consent. The offender uses force or threat of force. There was no medical, hygiene or law enforcement reason for the penetration.

Not directing it at yourself but people need to have a good look at what this charge is.

I am pretty sure "aggravated" can be added to any charge if there is a second person present at the time of the crime. I. E. 2 people break into a house it becomes aggravated break and enter.
 
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