Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

balmain boy said:
Anyone thinks of playing Doueihi at centre needs to realise that he would be one of, if not, the slowest centre in the comp. And you Simply cannot play him alongside Maumolo or Noffa. It's suicide to play two slow players side by side. If Doueihi plays centre we need to find a winger to go outside him. Maybe Peni
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We need to be looking at recruiting "off the mark speed." its an essential skill, not only for halves and hookers but also outside backs. In fact all players. but a sacrifice for size in the pack is acceptable.
 
twentyforty said:
We need to be looking at recruiting "off the mark speed." its an essential skill, not only for halves and hookers but also outside backs. In fact all players. but a sacrifice for size in the pack is acceptable.
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Sort of hard to get speed in the team we have Ken M and Noffa here for the next few seasons. Could Ken play centre and try get Jordan Hill back for his wing?
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
I also want him in the side and think he is a very good player.
I also feel he doesn't get critiqued as much as other players & he has some large areas that need to be improved if he is to be a success be it 5/8th, centre, fullback or another role.
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Awesome player. He has a lot to work on though.
 
tigerballs said:
He'll be lucky to crack it in first grade anywhere other than centre. Doesn't have the motor for the forwards, nor the defensive will. He's good close to the line at centre and can probably set up his winger. Not good defensively but I think we've improved as there as a team. Slow, poor defender, ball hog...I think we've all been calling out our centres for the past few years for doing exactly that.
5/8, he's no chance.
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I can't see him moving to the forwards.

You miss out on some of his positive attributes though. He hits hard. He can throw a really good long pass to his right. He can ball play. He is a great runner of the footy and busts the line a lot. He has a wicked bomb. He can put in a short kick as well. He is great under the high ball. He plays with passion and a will to win.

He has a lot to work on but I'd build around him and Hastings. They are our two best players.

My only concern with Doueihi is how he comes back from injury.
 
Earl said:
I can't see him moving to the forwards.

You miss out on some of his positive attributes though. He hits hard. He can throw a really good long pass to his right. He can ball play. He is a great runner of the footy and busts the line a lot. He has a wicked bomb. He can put in a short kick as well. He is great under the high ball. He plays with passion and a will to win.

He has a lot to work on but I'd build around him and Hastings. They are our two best players.

My only concern with Doueihi is how he comes back from injury.
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He misses a lot, can't pass left, he makes a lot of wrong decisions. He's not as good as you think he is. If he can work on a few things he can play centre.
 
tigerballs said:
He'll be lucky to crack it in first grade anywhere other than centre. Doesn't have the motor for the forwards, nor the defensive will. He's good close to the line at centre and can probably set up his winger. Not good defensively but I think we've improved as there as a team. Slow, poor defender, ball hog...I think we've all been calling out our centres for the past few years for doing exactly that.
5/8, he's no chance.
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No need for anyone to ask how you really feel about Doueihi after that biting assessment.
 
tigerballs said:
He misses a lot, can't pass left, he makes a lot of wrong decisions. He's not as good as you think he is. If he can work on a few things he can play centre.
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Reading some of the forums opinions on players makes me feel like I am on a prank show waiting for everyone to reveal they have just been taking the piss the whole time. I just cannot fathom how people could watch last year and not believe that Doeuihi is an outstanding young player with significant potential. In my opinion he was our best player last year, improved as the season went on, displayed genuine leadership and is only 22 years old.

I think obsession with speed is such limited perspective in all football codes. Sure we'd all love to have it, but there are many ways to win against your opponent on the football field. Players like Burton, Hiku, Croker, Gagai, Parker and many more have all succeeded as centres without top end speed in recent years. I personally think Doeuihi was great at centre the few games he had and would of continued to succeed if he didn't have someone as poor as Mbye inside him.

I think that Hastings and Doeuihi will be our long term halves. Hastings has shown how effective you can be as a half without top end speed when you can shorten the middle third of the field with your positioning, hold the line with footwork and depth of engagement and create confusion by using multiple options and being a big body threat yourself. I'm not a Brooks hater and wouldn't mind him staying and Doeuihi playing in the centres, but I think he moves on when the club inevitably asks him for a significant pay reduction on his next contract.

In summary I just can't understand how people can't see Doeuihi as one of the best players and assets the club has.
 
Tomatosoup912 said:
Reading some of the forums opinions on players makes me feel like I am on a prank show waiting for everyone to reveal they have just been taking the piss the whole time. I just cannot fathom how people could watch last year and not believe that Doeuihi is an outstanding young player with significant potential. In my opinion he was our best player last year, improved as the season went on, displayed genuine leadership and is only 22 years old.

I think obsession with speed is such limited perspective in all football codes. Sure we'd all love to have it, but there are many ways to win against your opponent on the football field. Players like Burton, Hiku, Croker, Gagai, Parker and many more have all succeeded as centres without top end speed in recent years. I personally think Doeuihi was great at centre the few games he had and would of continued to succeed if he didn't have someone as poor as Mbye inside him.

I think that Hastings and Doeuihi will be our long term halves. Hastings has shown how effective you can be as a half without top end speed when you can shorten the middle third of the field with your positioning, hold the line with footwork and depth of engagement and create confusion by using multiple options and being a big body threat yourself. I'm not a Brooks hater and wouldn't mind him staying and Doeuihi playing in the centres, but I think he moves on when the club inevitably asks him for a significant pay reduction on his next contract.

In summary I just can't understand how people can't see Doeuihi as one of the best players and assets the club has.
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When Brooks contract ends so does Hastings and ADs.
Based on media reports AD contract over the years aren't a massive gap behind Brooks. It's just this year he is heavily backloaded that has blown the costs out of proportion within the media.
NRL halves are 500k+ players.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
NRL halves are 500k+ players.
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We have 3 of them and maybe even 4. I don't get the hate for Madden. He was as good as Brooks when Hastings was out. Brooks might be a better player but it's close.

The club has to somehow balance our cap and be prepared to make tough decisions.

In order of priority I think it's really clear:-

1. Hastings
2. Doueihi
3. Brooks
4. Madden

It also depends upon cost.
 
Earl said:
We have 3 of them and maybe even 4. I don't get the hate for Madden. He was as good as Brooks when Hastings was out. Brooks might be a better player but it's close.

The club has to somehow balance our cap and be prepared to make tough decisions.

In order of priority I think it's really clear:-

1. Hastings
2. Doueihi
3. Brooks
4. Madden

It also depends upon cost.
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Brooks will need a pay cut regardless.

Hastings and Doueihi are very slow as playmakers though.

Want to see Doueihi at centre this year and see what happens.
 
Earl said:
We have 3 of them and maybe even 4. I don't get the hate for Madden. He was as good as Brooks when Hastings was out. Brooks might be a better player but it's close.

The club has to somehow balance our cap and be prepared to make tough decisions.

In order of priority I think it's really clear:-

1. Hastings
2. Doueihi
3. Brooks
4. Madden

It also depends upon cost.
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My view is you can't extend all 4 of them with the view of 2024 and beyond to play in the halves it will cost far too much and I can't see any of them jumping at extending without clarity as to who is preferred and who isn't. We also will have some young halves coming through as well as the wheel keeps turning - if we recruit well it should.

Guess we will see pending injuries in about 4-6 weeks what the preferred setup will be.
 
tigerballs said:
Well, you can quote me on it when he comes back if you like but he's not playing anywhere but centre. I'll be happy to be proven wrong.
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Injury aside I feel like that is pretty obvious.

Running load would be too much for anyone coming back from an ACL at fullback. Halves are clicking. Centre gives him the best chance to get back up to game speed without a huge defensive and running load.
 
Tomatosoup912 said:
Reading some of the forums opinions on players makes me feel like I am on a prank show waiting for everyone to reveal they have just been taking the piss the whole time. I just cannot fathom how people could watch last year and not believe that Doeuihi is an outstanding young player with significant potential. In my opinion he was our best player last year, improved as the season went on, displayed genuine leadership and is only 22 years old.

I think obsession with speed is such limited perspective in all football codes. Sure we'd all love to have it, but there are many ways to win against your opponent on the football field. Players like Burton, Hiku, Croker, Gagai, Parker and many more have all succeeded as centres without top end speed in recent years. I personally think Doeuihi was great at centre the few games he had and would of continued to succeed if he didn't have someone as poor as Mbye inside him.

I think that Hastings and Doeuihi will be our long term halves. Hastings has shown how effective you can be as a half without top end speed when you can shorten the middle third of the field with your positioning, hold the line with footwork and depth of engagement and create confusion by using multiple options and being a big body threat yourself. I'm not a Brooks hater and wouldn't mind him staying and Doeuihi playing in the centres, but I think he moves on when the club inevitably asks him for a significant pay reduction on his next contract.

In summary I just can't understand how people can't see Doeuihi as one of the best players and assets the club has.
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Oh yeah, thanks for mentioning his lack of speed...all the players you mentioned are faster than Doeuihi. He did plenty of good things but his defence at times was abysmal and he took plenty of wrong options. He's never played as well as Brooks has the past two weeks, particularly defensively so I can't see him at 5/8. He's not a fullback. He may make a decent centre but I'd have T'oa in front of him at the moment and Garner, defensively, has his measure.
 
tigerballs said:
Well, you can quote me on it when he comes back if you like but he's not playing anywhere but centre. I'll be happy to be proven wrong.
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AD, when he's fit, will play either ⅝, Centre or Fullback depending where he's needed.
If the current halves are playing well and all other positions are performing and fit then I believe he will play centre.
My line-up would be:
Hastings
Brooks
AD
Roberts
To'a/KM
Noffa
Laurie
 
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