Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Tim Sheens]

Ordinarily I would be inclined to agree here.
However, the position these industries are in is not due to their own incompetence. The pandemic and all governmental reactions to it, globally, have caused this. Regional centres both coastal and inland, need help. We’re not talking about casual workers in coffee shops here. Two major industries have been shut down for years.
Im going to guess you are from the city?

A rarity, but can easily agree on this one.

It's not so much about needing to prop them up anymore, moreso promoting the tourism sector and providing labour to other areas.

The Chinese tourism market has also become increasingly important to the regions over recent decades and dog whistling is only keeping their huge financial input across all areas of sector away.

 

[Yossarian]

I'm not expecting that at all. I'm expecting the government to work out how they are going to move towards a budget surplus.

You guys aren't getting it but it's cool.

Everyone has some cause or reason for increased spending. We need to decrease spending. Where is that coming from ?

The APS deserve a wage increase of 20%, we need more international ads, we need clean energy, we need better health care, we need better education, we should be giving more money to the Ukraine, the pension needs to be increased.

Tell me what is coming out of the budget. Where are we saving money ?

Absolutely nobody is suggesting a 20% increase. Nobody.
Get rid of negative gearing and franking credits, stop wasting billions on sub contracts that produce zero subs. There are many, many ways of raising revenue. It’s not us who are incapable of “getting it” champ, it’s you. Your obsession with balanced budgets at the expense of everything else is baffling and misplaced.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Communism and protectionist policies have worked so well over history haven't they.

I think you are making my point here. The government cannot continue to run massive deficits going forward. The payback cost is going to hurt. It has to be paid at some point. Kicking the can down the road isn't the right way forward.

That is what the austerity measures are doing. It sucks.

If you change your perspective a bit you'll realize you can't help everyone. It's a matter of focus.

You don't have a point aside from a bizarre narrow fixation on 'stop spending because of debt' at the expense of the entire country's ability to function as a civilised/prosperous nation.

Mercifully there are adults from all sides of politics in this country (Clive Palmer excepted) that understand how this stuff works a lot better than you.

 

[jadtiger]

You don't have a point aside from a bizarre narrow fixation on 'stop spending because of debt' at the expense of the entire country's ability to function as a civilised/prosperous nation.

Mercifully there are adults from all sides of politics in this country (Clive Palmer excepted) that understand how this stuff works a lot better than you.

Pauline Hanson does not have a clue either as she has suggested in the past to "just print more money"

 

[earl]

Your obsession with balanced budgets at the expense of everything else is baffling and misplaced.

This is what it comes down too and I stand by my point. Do you understand the consequences of continual increased spending ? If you do then you should understand what I'm stating and not get so worked up.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Guys,

Because of prior imbalances built in its not fixable.

1.2 trillion in debt with little to show is too much.

And as America increases sanctions on China in a vain attempt to save its ass we will wear it.

Further social dislocation ahead

 

[Yossarian]

This is what it comes down too and I stand by my point. Do you understand the consequences of continual increased spending ? If you do then you should understand what I'm stating and not get so worked up.

I understand you don’t have a clue about how economies function.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I'm not expecting that at all. I'm expecting the government to work out how they are going to move towards a budget surplus.

You guys aren't getting it but it's cool.

Everyone has some cause or reason for increased spending. We need to decrease spending. Where is that coming from ?

The APS deserve a wage increase of 20%, we need more international ads, we need clean energy, we need better health care, we need better education, we should be giving more money to the Ukraine, the pension needs to be increased.

Tell me what is coming out of the budget. Where are we saving money ?

I think most are getting it, just have very different ideas on how to do it.

Infrastructure spending on recommended projects instead of colour coded spreadsheets is a start, as the economy gets a return on those assets, rather than votes in likely corrupt schemes.

Then we could have those public sector wage rises funded by the savings from removing more potential corruption in contracting and/or pay for the federal ICAC to investigate such and stop future dodgy payments and contracts of the same ilk. A good deal of those monies is then circulated in the community to stimulate and grow the economy.

The extension of the 30% tax rate cuts need to be repealed as part of that belt tightening. The opposite with the low and middle income offset that will instead be removed, needs to be extended by absorption into tax rates in the next few years.

Else most of them will be $1,080 to $1,500 worse off come the end of next financial year, whereas those earning more will receive up to some $7,000 if on $200k.

 

[stryker 69]

I'm not expecting that at all. I'm expecting the government to work out how they are going to move towards a budget surplus.

You guys aren't getting it but it's cool.

Everyone has some cause or reason for increased spending. We need to decrease spending. Where is that coming from ?

The APS deserve a wage increase of 20%, we need more international ads, we need clean energy, we need better health care, we need better education, we should be giving more money to the Ukraine, the pension needs to be increased.

Tell me what is coming out of the budget. Where are we saving money ?

You stated yourself that you want more spent on social security, education and clean energy. You are not about cutting spending one iota, rather you want it spent on different things.
What about those still trying to rebuild their lives after the natural disasters of the past 3 years? Damn them to hell as well?

 

[earl]

I understand you don’t have a clue about how economies function.

I don't think you do. That is why you are so emotional and illogical.

I'll explain it to you. Debt leads to interest payments. If you have a large debt and we have an extremely high level of debt historically that means that more of your budget goes to service that debt. That means less money goes to provide public goods and services. If this continues it gets worse. If we continue to have shocks to the economy things could get really bad.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Scumo must believe voters are idiots. He re-announced the acquisition of 29 Apache and 12 Seahawk helicopters yesterday. These acquisitions were announced some time ago. Really it underlines how bereft the Conservatives are for worthwhile policy announcements. How about announcing a Federal ICAC based on the NSW model.

Twice in 2021 already, so maybe third time lucky? Announcements upon announcements with photo opportunities one after the other and no delivery on virtually everything.

 

[earl]

You stated yourself that you want more spent on social security, education and clean energy. You are not about cutting spending one iota, rather you want it spent on different things.
What about those still trying to rebuild their lives after the natural disasters of the past 3 years? Damn them to hell as well?

It's difficult but we have to change our culture from one of the government supporting everyone to people supporting themselves.

Pick your priorities and go from there. Something has to give.

 

[Geo]

Don't know about anyone else but I'm getting pretty jack of the Negative ad Campaigns from both major parties..

Here's a clue..I know how crap the other guy is.. Maybe tell me what you are going to do with some specifics and you'll get my vote..

This has not been a United Australia Party ad..

 

[stryker 69]

It's difficult but we have to change our culture from one of the government supporting everyone to people supporting themselves.

Pick your priorities and go from there. Something has to give.

You want huge social security upgrades. This is in direct competition with your claim here.
As for priorities, clean energy is not number 1. Getting businesses and workers back earning and spending is.

 

[earl]

You want huge social security upgrades. This is in direct competition with your claim here.
As for priorities, clean energy is not number 1. Getting businesses and workers back earning and spending is.

I don't want huge social security upgrades. I am not stating that at all.

I agree that clean energy is not number 1 at least for me. I think a lot of people feel very differently.

People are spending. The pandemic is becoming a thing of the past.

 

[jadtiger]

I don't want huge social security upgrades. I am not stating that at all.

I agree that clean energy is not number 1 at least for me. I think a lot of people feel very differently.

People are spending. The pandemic is becoming a thing of the past.

The pandemic is NOT becoming a thing of the past,it is only May and already MORE people in Australia have died of covid in 2022 than in 2021 or 2020 it is just the media is no longer reporting it to the same degree.This year the deaths are approaching 5000 in Australia

 

[Tim Sheens]

I totally agree. I'm completely pro social security. The social security system should be good enough so that it provides a basic standard of living.

The rate should always be at the poverty line, instead of way below it as it has become over recent decades.

Sure, there are the relative few that will waste the additional sum, but in the main it actually saves money on health and other services, with virtually all of it going back though the economy providing stimulus through circulation.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

These are two completely separate issues.

1. Supporting unprofitable businesses. This is not the right way forward.
2. People becoming homeless. This is a completely different issue but social security is there to support difficult situations.

Sure you can prop up unprofitable businesses for a period of time but when does that end. My take is that it ends now. If you disagree cool.

There are limited funds and we cannot continue to run massive deficits. All we are doing is passing the buck down the line.

They are unprofitable because they were not allowed to trade by government mandate! They're not unprofitable through trade.

What, you're saying every business in Australia should have anticipated two and a half years of disruptions and been able to bankroll that? Most major companies wouldn't be able to do that.

Letting businesses go to the wall because you have not allowed them to trade directly feeds into people losing their homes which may have been secured for business loans. Point one is a catalyst for point two.

You are actively advocating for people to lose everything because they were told they could not open their doors. That is insanity.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I totally agree. I'm completely pro social security. The social security system should be good enough so that it provides a basic standard of living.

Why not give people assistance to actually keep working rather than waiting for them to become jobless and unproductive?

 

[earl]

Why not give people assistance to actually keep working rather than waiting for them to become jobless and unproductive?

It sounds great doesn't it. I don't think it typically works out like that though.