Michael Maguire leaves club

[bathursttiger1]

Bellyache has only signed with the Storm till the end of 2023 @supercoach and that's when Madge's contract expires as well.
Who wants Bellamy the most...Us or the Dogs???????

I don't think Bellamy could work under Gus.

 

[batboy]

I understand what you're saying, though this thing called a contract: it's just the piece of paper these days seemingly is at the whim of player managers etc.
Once there was just a handshake (eg Mick Cronin etc) now it's open slather to be abused.
And it's everywhere - the only losers are the diehard fans who truly love the club, love the jersey and expect things to be straight.

Of course it’s always open to negotiation - but realistically…. Most contracts stand and are honoured as they’re written on that piece of paper…

Those ones don’t sell papers though

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I don't like Ciraldo or Morris.

Unless we are happy with Flanagan you wait till someone better pops up. Most coaches get punted mid year because they can't get the team to play for them but that dosent apply here.

 

[gallagher]

No we are not unstable, I didn't say that, I said mid season upheavals can cause instability.
I know there has been recent coach changes that have worked but those teams had SOO players etc. We are building, a difference.

I misinterpreted when to said players won't go to an unstable club.

 

[Cobarcats]

I reckon if Madge is tapped on the shoulder and given this week to wind it up he should get all the players over to his place for a closed doors party and get absolutely shit faced.
Probably play better after a good old fashioned bonding session. Maybe they should learn to sing the winning team song as well.

 

[BZN]

Tigers players are often disappointing, that's my TLDR hot take.

But OK

Laurie is very capable but not zippy enough for his small frame. Still, the basis is there for a Brett Hodgson-style fullback.

Nofo has an ego beyond his abilities or standing in the game, but he can do dirty metres and finish a try. 2022 probably his best season, before concussion, since he got the Dally M winger.

Brent Naden - I like him a lot. He's like a super-powered gronk, and I mean that in an affectionate way. I liked him at Penrith too, a really up-beat player and it doesn't hurt that he's 9 ft tall.

Tyrone Peachey - like Owen Craigie Mark II; not at all a reference to his indigenous background, rather that he is so talented and yet highly prone to brain explosions.

Junior Tupou - he is as green as the Leichhardt Oval hill, but if he can build on his already large frame, could be a real weapon in a few years. Absolute liability in defence right now but that can be fixed.

Brooks - much maligned. He can play but never at a sufficiently successful level to please people, and it's been such a long time now, he'd have to be Andrew Johns reincarnated from here on out to lose his reputation. I'd still love to see him given a go in a good side, a la Melbourne Storm. I feel sorry for the guy because I've seen far worse footballers with better reputations because of the club they are at.

Hastings - he's a keeper and the gamble has paid off. Exactly the type of organiser and leader Tigers need. Does not appear to be a line break or try assist machine, but if the team can stay solid around him, he'll direct them and set standards.

Aussie Jim - I think the ability is still there for a 1-year extension, but he's got to be playing at this 2022 best every week, no more of this in-and-out stuff where he goes missing sometimes.

Simpkin - probably going to have an NRL career, but struggles with the workload of a modern hooker.

Zane Musgrove - he either disappears or clobbers someone; I can't quite decide. I think he should come off the bench but I assume that will happen when Stefano is fit. He's on a long-term deal so we'll need to figure out how to use him, and at times he can be a real weapon. He needs to head more into JWH enforcer territory, which is why the bench is his best usage

Garner - sometimes good, sometimes absent. Hard to say just what Penrith will get.

Luch - he's good more often than not, been a bit disappointing of late. Opponents know to gang-tackle him, and he's not going to be effective in a beaten forward pack. Still, one of the few guys in our side you can throw early ball and he'll still be a handful

Joffa - middling lock but I think he's getting better. He did play Origin and that wasn't a fluke - it is a capability he does have.

Twal - I think he was injured last year, he's so much better this year. Just an honest unit and tackling machine. Needs dynamic props to support him.

Stefano - still a hot prospect despite a slow return from ankle injury. He'll get there. One of the nicest kids I've ever met; he can be a true icon of the club if he stays long-term.

Blore - another nice young fellow, I was perhaps surprised to see how engaged he was with fans and not just staring at his phone, hoping not to be noticed. Hard to say what he's really capable of without playing regular footy.

AJ Kepaoa - might make it. Again injury hurts, but he's a physical specimen. I'm not sure about his football head wrt positioning.

Gildart - bust, but worth a try. Just too small physically to compete in the NRL, and I think he's discovered that footwork is not enough. Centres at this level are killers. Would not be at all surprised if he asks for a release by the end of the year.

Maumolo - strapped like an old trotter but gee the guy knows how to find the line in 2022. Does dirty carries and can leap - it's just a matter of him being fit, the rest of the ability is there.

Mikaele - doesn't have the motor to make it in the NRL and he knows it; that's why he's gone to England.

Madden - I don't see it myself; which I've stated a number of occasions. A capable backup for sure, but I think he will be found out if he starts every week, and I think oppositions would start to target him heavily in defence.

Seyfarth - really commendable effort but just lacks power or dynamism. If he raced honey down a hill, the honey would win.

Starford To'a - only a few rounds in, I think he's got ability. Needs to be kept in one position so he can develop his game, because he looks like a centre more than anything, but they keep moving him around due to injuries.

Kelma - I think he's being found out, though it's a little sour grapes as well. Highly dynamic in attack earlier in the year, but when asked to increase his minutes and do more defence, he's fallen right away. Those power forwards always struggle when asked to increase their minutes, and it's key for the backrow to achieve good minutes, so it remains to be seen whether Kelma is capable of it. But clearly he's blunted heavily in offence when asked to do any decent amount of defence. Very Garner-ish style in that way.

Junior Pauga - won't make it, but he tries.

Liddle - gets worn down in defence, and then his passing goes to shit. But he battles long, I can't dislike the bloke.

Nu Brown - barely played, but he's nuggety and reasonably skillful. A good backup.

Doueihi - he's a weapon, love the guy, so long as his knees hold up. Probably the only true 1-1 line attack weapon we have, i.e. can just tuck it under his arm and barge through the line without being set up.

WOW !!! that was really worth reading @jirskyr and something You put a lot of thought into.
And as far as I am concerned an honest and 💯 accurate form guide of Our Team,
which unless I am very mistaken should open a lot of discussion on here as to why Our Team is or isn't performing depending which clique people are in.
Thank You 🙂 ✅

 

[crazycat]

Last night should have reaffirmed this should be Maguire's last year. We were nearly done by a club in chaos and it was truly an embarrassing performance albeit there were some good individual performances.

I think that's what is swinging me against Madge.
We see great individual performances but not team coordination.
We know we can score. We know the Tigers have enough size and muscle to defend (ok not with every team, but we have a big pack)

Yet on the field I don't see the set plays of Sheens.
I see our defense is disorganised and lacking structure (as it has since inception).
Even our attack, we should be scoring more, yet it's individual brilliance again.

We have to change.

 

[magpies forever]

Im not for or against Maguire. He has his strengths and weaknesses, Unfortunately running a NRL squad can only be judged on results, success and/or getting the squad going in the right direction. NRL is not a charity and a great boys club run with spirit and good intentions. Our squad is below average and Maguire has just not been able to get the most out of this squad, nor develop them as a squad or individually into working as a unit, game day preparations and implementation is abysmal more often than not, we just dont turn up too often and/or loose concentration at halftime and just dont do the average stuff well enough, we drop balls, throw forward passes or overrun the runner, tactically kick badly and are our own worst enemies. I now we have had a terrible injury toll and often the squad is a hodge podge of anyone fit (and we have too many players playing with existing injuries not helping all the issues noted earlier). BUT...... the coach is responsible to try to get this working, but its not.

On the negative side Maguire was forced by the club to change his assistant coaches, improvements that have happened this year in cohesion and defence have been a result of this action not Maguire's. Recruitment under Maguire has been underwhelming to say the least. Immaterial of the clubs position, his links to the NZ squad and previous clubs have not really resulted in much new and better blood to the roster. His selections and use of the interchange bench, so crucial to todays game, remain very much behind other teams standards. OUr game plans just dont seem to match where the NRL is at these days, I dont know the answer though. Finally, his (?) recognition of Brooks being unable to handle the #7, organizing the team and controlling a game have come in the 4th year of his tenure when many people have been saying for years Brooks is incapable of this level of skill but could be good elsewhere in the squad eg #6. He could at least have tried to get a good half and switch Brooks last year or the year before. At very least I think Maguire is loyal, in many ways to his own detriment.

On the positive, he is loyal to his players and yes, he has had to endure salary cap constraint and a terrible group of highly paid oafs who collected their pay and did nothing for the club or Maguire. Plus this year a horrendous injury toll to key players. But the roster is now his and all the issues listed above are still present and improvement and recruitment of better players is as elusive as it was before he came here. I dont have anything against Maguire and I hope it can turn around.

However, if they are making decisions this next week / fortnight on the results so far I would have to say its time to try someone new. A new coach does not have to throw the baby out with the bathwater- they can still be directed to continue the overall strategy and aims of club but if they can bring a new voice to the players, get them working better and keeping to plans etc surely its better than keeping Maguire for a final season out of loyalty. To me its plausible using the KPI's apparently in his contract to tell him he finishes up at seasons end, get in a new coach having them look after retention and recruitment for new season from asap they can be signed up.

 

[Telltails]

I think that's what is swinging me against Madge.
We see great individual performances but not team coordination.
We know we can score. We know the Tigers have enough size and muscle to defend (ok not with every team, but we have a big pack)

Yet on the field I don't see the set plays of Sheens.
I see our defense is disorganised and lacking structure (as it has since inception).
Even our attack, we should be scoring more, yet it's individual brilliance again.

We have to change.

Making one man the fall guy for weaknesses throughout the club/system/ squad is not effecting change, its deflecting blame.

 

[clokan]

Making one man the fall guy for weaknesses throughout the club/system/ squad is not effecting change, its deflecting blame.

This is a good point, plenty of problems at this club, which Madge has been working to address. What I find amusing is most pundits had us in the bottom four clubs based on our roster, which is where we are are, funny that. Add the horror injury toll and I doubt any coach would have had us in the 8. I don't see why Madge should be sacked given what he's had to contend with, however as I said in a previous post, if Sheen's thinks he needs to go, then he probably needs to go.

 

[jadtiger]

This is a good point, plenty of problems at this club, which Madge has been working to address. What I find amusing is most pundits had us in the bottom four clubs based on our roster, which is where we are are, funny that. Add the horror injury toll and I doubt any coach would have had us in the 8. I don't see why Madge should be sacked given what he's had to contend with, however as I said in a previous post, if Sheen's thinks he needs to go, then he probably needs to go.

I doubt if any of us on here will know what Sheens recommends unless he tells us.Just about everything we will hear and read will be pure speculation,Whatever decision he makes could well be overruled and we will never know

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I doubt if any of us on here will know what Sheens recommends unless he tells us.Just about everything we will hear and read will be pure speculation,Whatever decision he makes could well be overruled and we will never know

Not sure the board will overrule Sheens. Recent history shows the board to be delegators as with the Brian Smith review.

My feeling is Sheens wants Payten here otherwise may be loathed to give the loafers another excuse.

 

[clontarfkid]

No point punting Madge mid season and appointing a caretaker coach like Noddy...doesnt give potential recruits any certainty re net year.Unlikely to do any better job than Madge over next 3 months
But If indeed weve got what we think is a better replacement who can start immediately(egFlanagan??)only then axe Madge now and get on with it and start our new future
If not,Madge sees out this year avoiding a major payout, formally misses his KPIs for this year precipitating a very minor ,if any, payout for 2023
My last word on Madge leaving a better roster than he started...defnitely true
...but as were ensconsed in 15th place and sliding down the laddr 2 places ever year, its pretty clear Madge cant do anything with his roster ,so its time for him to go..dependent on above

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I’ve got to say , I’m indifferent about Madge . I really like the guy , he strikes me as someone you want to succeed , so personally I’m loyal to him.
Here’s where my rational brain takes over . Does anyone think he will get us many more wins this year ? And if he doesn’t , are the majority of mum and pop fans , who arnt as invested as most on here , going to see the nuance and unfairness surrounding 2022 in regards to injuries , and poor ref decisions , squad mediocrity etc. or are they just going to sharpen the pitch forks .
The reality is the latter . So that combined with the back door Benny types always circling the club, and I’m sure there some rats in the hole within the club looking to peacock to advance themselves , this is all to say , I think he will be punted .
And I’m not sure despite the horrendous results if that’s the right decision .

 

[Spartan117]

It hasnt been about 2022.

Madge is here to break the cycle if softness and the poor culture that has been here for the majority of our existence.

We have a club culture problem.

I dont understand that when where in the cusp of breaking free that short sighted management will dump the guy who has fought for the club long term.

 

[weststigerman]

We've averaged 34.5 the last 4 games.

Cherry picking. What about the games before that?

This is a team that went I think about 15-20 games straight conceding 26 or more points last year.

It’s not Melbourne like defence but it has improved up until the last game. There were signs of going back to 2021 against the dogs I’ll give you that.

 

[Terry T.Nuts]

Just give the gig to Benji and Robbie already.

 

[slurpee]

Madge might be a good bloke cares about his players I know we’ve had injuries every club gets em we’ve probably had more than most but you don’t get results it’s time to go

 

[batboy]

Not sure the board will overrule Sheens. Recent history shows the board to be delegators as with the Brian Smith review.

My feeling is Sheens wants Payten here otherwise may be loathed to give the loafers another excuse.

Where does this assumption come from that we’ll snap our fingers and Payten will come running back?

He’s lived in QLD for the best part of 10 years, probably longer than he’d lived in Sydney… he’s got a one team town club - a million miles of juniors to pick from and a top 8/4 team.

Why’s he rushing back to a shit show he knows better than most?