Wests Tigers Coaches

The jury is still out on Madge until we see whether or not Noddy and co can get more out of the boys, otherwise in the broad, we won’t really know.

As a card carrying pro-madgineer, I’m not going to let my desire to be right, threaten my best wishes and enormous enthusiasm for Noddy and for a change in our fortunes.

If that means the Board redeems itself, so be it and about time.

But I won’t pile up on a guy who tried his guts out for us. He gave us all that he could give.

No harder working coach, no better leader, even if some players etc didn’t buy in.

I am a better wests tigers fan for his tenure, because the passion is stronger than ever.

We’ve done it hard these last few years, but here we are, limping out of battle, not much to see, but alive!

All the best of the fans are together now when the going is tough.
 
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Needaname said:
Interesting. Despite the rules changing we are still seeing the consistent, structured teams dominating. Penrith’s current squad resembles one very similar to what they had in 2002-2005 but yet at the tail end of that period the small mobile and flamboyant team got the edge in the comp. (This is despite being owned twice in 2005 by the then Panthers team)
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Something Haslier did when he went to the Bulldogs. He changed.
He changed his style, he changed how he coached, he changed the dogs too. He worked with the players and helped them play to their strengths.

Melbourne did the same, just with the rule changes in 2021 and coaching towards those.

Madge was very much a set plan kind of guy. Big forwards, barging through and train the guts out.
Siebold was the same with "attacking flow" and could adapt Nothing at Brisbane.

Both the above failed as both did not set up a defensive structure. I think the attack in Rugby league has improved a lot and boy our defense just sucks in structure and effort.

That said, I prefer a Haslier style where the coach and team can adapt. Jason Taylor made a huge mistake in firing Farah and forcing the side to play to his "structure".

We do need structure and Hastings has helped us get "more" structure. More then that we need Skills! We need to get solid defense and long term improvement. We have a training problem as:
were soft
our defense is poor.
Our energy dips way too early.

Kimmorley won't change any of that. He will though give us a better attack. I hope too he can give us energy, I still remember an Origin game late in Kimmorley's career and it was a must win. Kimmorley at Halfback out tackled every other player in the NSW side, he was into everything.

Lets see what he brings.
 
The case for Kimmorley.

Well, Noddy is a big unknown but we have to think about what we do with him if he succeeds with his opportunity this year.

Lee said he’s received 2 resumes already in as many days.

We all know Noddy was marquee as a player.

If he can get our struggling team to put in, let’s face it, it would be a small miracle and such a gift should not go unnoticed. Then the squad gets a massive boost next year, and by rights he should go from strength to strength.

He would come dirt cheap with no expectation of more than a year or two, easily making up the Madge golden handshake ( which Pascoe would like). Even if he loses, we are not spending like drunken sailors on rubbish as we are so accustomed.

I’ve done the sums, every nrl game is worth about $4m, so he doesn’t need many wins to make him our best value option by a considerable margin. $200k should see him by easily and he’d pay his own petrol to games.

I was also thinking, he is already very close to our assistants. There’s no sense of estrangement like Madge had with the assistants thrust upon him. Company snitches.

Plus he’s not at all fearsome or in your face and of all of our speakers during the Madge triggering, he’s been the best. That was a welcome surprise.

Tsp rating: 6/10
Betting: 2023 coach: $31.00
I was thinking we should have a market for some fun. We can update and argue about it. Votes are fun, market is funner.
 
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Tigerwould said:
Good interview (until Gal changed the topic to SOO). Like how Lee addressed to South West area and is working with Govt on this. Also the amount of investors in the club (including himself) that are actively working on getting results. He addressed the issues well.
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Definitely sounds like there is a big plan for us to move South West. He stopped short and said he wasnt in a position to formally announce anything. However, it sounds promising that he has been working on it for a while and we should see movement there at some point.

Anoher thing out of the interview to do with Pathways was he mentioned we have signed "all of the young ones we wanted to, bar a couple, after speaking to Tim Sheens".
 
haberfield_tiger said:
Rob needs to follow a new team.. finally the club made a decision. Madge had to go he was a failure. The club was smart the way they sacked Madge its never easy but very strategic how it was done.

Let's not forget when Madge took the job on he said this squad can make the 8... He never got us there.
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There’s nothing smart about undermining your coach for 9 months. It’s indecisive and counterproductive.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
You do know the board and Lee actually play minimal roles in running the club right?

Pascoe on the other hand should be on notice as CEO he is responsible for the structure, KPIs and strategy of the Wests Tigers. But through all this has been dead quite.
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On notice from the board?
 
TSP said:
The case for ciraldo


We need Ciraldo because he is an intergral part of one the most successful clubs (in terms of win/loss in recent years) in the history of the game. Entirely dominant, almost unbeatable, current premiers.

Secondly, the above is apparent in a contemporary sense and how the game is played here and now. Not in the past.

A significant part of the success has been the selection and grooming of promise. Making the right decisions about prospects. Recruiting properly ie Momo, even sticking with Edwards etc. They rarely screw up. They look to the future too.

He’s coached the Panthers alone when the rodent has been unavailable and won. He has complete knowledge of almost aspects of tactics and strategy.

The Panthers defence has been some of best I’ve ever seen in footy in decades and that’s in an era designed to assist attack ( compared to the past).

He appears to tick all media boxes but the inside word is that despite the appearance of composure of players etc, he can be tough.

All of this is said without any promises of Panther cattle coming along, although he’d know every youngster ready to emerge.

So that’s why I think he is the right guy for us. He’s in the silky quality zone now. We can barely imagine it.

Ivan has spent him with his long contract, and he must go. We are a good fit for him. No instant pressure, just need to reach a competitive level. The comment that he will develop is true, but he will also seek early results and build the roster which is already moving the right way. I also think he can communicate really well. That’s what our players desperately need. A lot of players will relish and be intrigued by his insights as the nrl admire the panthers. Maybe not some of them, but you get my drift.

He presents as a compelling candidate on many levels and I think the club is also convinced. We are long overdue for a extended break in our perpetual bad fortune and he’s our best chance.

Just my view. I hope to praise other candidates too over the weekend. I’d be gutted if Noddy somehow delivers with our current roster and we axe him. He’s off to a stellar start with his media stuff so far.
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Could not agree more with this post. Precise and all encompassing.
Happy for Noddy or Morris to assist CC also.
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TSP said:
And on the earlier interview, Lee said Pascoe was accountable. As if?

Ffs they should give us a break.

The club is being run by some kind of third world junta.

Only Brohman had the guts to challenge him.

When Darryl is the only one asking proper questions, you know 2gb is struggling.

That said, the 2mmm panels are much much worse.

Shout out to Darryl for his courage. He spoke for us. Lee was uncomfortable.
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Can I ask a serious question with this type of rhetoric ? What if they’re right ? what if for years they had the right idea , but couldn’t execute because of the obvious lack of football expertise .
IMO Cleary was the right coach . And I honestly believe he was trying to get his son here . But when that happened , he chose his kid over his reputation and our club. Not to mention other podcasts , who have coaches who usEd to coach our junior teams , basically saying things like we let the good juniors go, refuse to pay good money for them , won’t support the junior coaches , which is why we were a shambles .
that’s all changed in October last year with the changes , and finally some coin pumped into the juniors after what 21 years ? Ridiculous.
The messaging I’m now focusing on is this new one that we are privately owned .
If so put your money where your mouth is , because I’ve heArd the club gets at least 1 consortium a year try and buy it.

ithink all things are true is what I’m saying . I think the board are a bunch of morons . I think Pascoe is a dope when it comes to footy .
I also think he’s really good with money . I also think they all should stay the hell away from football operations .
I think we as a club have failed our juniors and pathways .
I thing Madge , whilst a champion bloke , is a guy who gets you from summit to the peak . Because his style is tiresome , especially if your not getting results . People tolerate that shit , in everyday life , if they guy doing it is achieving results . As soon as that stops the knives come out .
Finally I think sheens is one of the smartest men in football , and has forgotten more about the game than 99% of coaches or people have ever learned . But I think it’s obvious , that X and O in 22 , is a young mans game .
the people are in place in the pathways , the football operations sound like it no longer has Johnny come latelys giving their 2 bobs , and finally we have elite strength and conditioning, as well as recovery . As one of my bug bears with that is , how come the elite teams always seemed to be able to back up from a big game on Sunday , with another one on Friday . hydro pools , chambers , elite physiotherapy , and elite facilities has to play a factor .
sorry about the rant . I just think all things are true at the same time . The club has failed because of failures within, external of the coach , but the coach has failed . He just has . 3 and a half years guys . Thats a long time .
 
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TrueTiger said:
Your negativity is noted....he has got Api and Papa for next year and he had wont be able to coach them ,2 topline players we have needed and bugger all money to buy anyone earlier thanks to Cleary...but as I said,bag a bloke who has tried to change this garbage club from the basket case it is to a club with some dignity and pride...who cares about the doco and his last 2 years may be considered a failure the first 2 were Clearys and the admins...
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I just ranted about this , but why can’t all things be true at once ? The club is run by morons , in regards to football , but Madge , all good intentions considered , has failed to deliver on what he was asked to do.
what if the morons acknowledged as such , 3-4 years ago , and put people in place who weren’t to run the joint . eg, Madge .
This isn’t a popularity contest . It just isn’t . It’s about winning and losing , it’s that simple . The diehards like all of us can see the improvements , sure , but most fans the ones who turn the fan base from 15k members to something around the 30k mark , just say we suck.
And that’s purely about wins and losses . No sporting organisation in the world would tolerate 4 seasons of losing like this . Not one . Including the nba . So why are we ? Because we hate the board . And the coach is always . Always the one who goes .
 
TrueTiger said:
Your negativity is noted....he has got Api and Papa for next year and he had wont be able to coach them ,2 topline players we have needed and bugger all money to buy anyone earlier thanks to Cleary...but as I said,bag a bloke who has tried to change this garbage club from the basket case it is to a club with some dignity and pride...who cares about the doco and his last 2 years may be considered a failure the first 2 were Clearys and the admins...
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Bugger all money to buy any one earlier????
Latrell knocked back $1m a Season, and TPJ and The Fox knocked back substantial offers. We had money. Where did that money come from?
We have regressed under Madge every Season he's been here. There was no sign of Madge improving this side.
 
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formerguest said:
Not anywhere near immediately for mine, as not only are you expecting such quick results from a coach with another's squad, there is the added huge disadvantage of not having an off-season to mould change from some 4 previous ones.
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That was a lil sarcasm on my part mate.
You know . . . how everyone kept saying Madge is the problem(and not the players), so now he is gone . . . tadaa ! we have no problems.
We've all been through the "another's squad" and "needs an off-season to mould them" phases for many many many years now.
While Noddy doesn't have HIS roster, the change of coach( especially the removal of Madge ) must surely show results in the short term.
These are first grade players. If it really was Madge's decisions and methods that held them back, it really shouldn't take more than 2 or 3 games to see some definite improvements.
If it was Madge's poor bench rotations . . . that is fixed immediately.
If it was Madge's poor tactics . . . that is a fair way towards being fixed within 3 games and 6 training sessions.
If it was Madge's screaming . . . that is also fixed immediately.
It really shouldn't take long at all, if indeed it was the coach and not the players.
The terrible influence of the coach is gone.
The players don't have this weight around their necks any longer. Him, his screaming and his poor coaching have all gone, so they are immediately free to play to their capabilities of without being held back by Madge.
Let's see . . . . .
 
Go_You_Good_Things said:
The terrible influence of the coach is gone.
The players don't have this weight around their necks any longer. Him, his screaming and his poor coaching have all gone, so they are immediately free to play to their capabilities of without being held back by Madge.
Let's see . . . . .
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I have to agree with your post, the only thing i will add is we will see if the assistant coaches also develop a voice to assist with game day management if they see the game plan getting away from them.
 
TSP said:
The case for Kimmorley.

Well, Noddy is a big unknown but we have to think about what we do with him if he succeeds with his opportunity this year.

Lee said he’s received 2 resumes already in as many days.

We all know Noddy was marquee as a player.

If he can get our struggling team to put in, let’s face it, it would be a small miracle and such a gift should not go unnoticed. Then the squad gets a massive boost next year, and by rights he should go from strength to strength.

He would come dirt cheap with no expectation of more than a year or two, easily making up the Madge golden handshake ( which Pascoe would like). Even if he loses, we are not spending like drunken sailors on rubbish as we are so accustomed.

I’ve done the sums, every nrl game is worth about $4m, so he doesn’t need many wins to make him our best value option by a considerable margin. $200k should see him by easily and he’d pay his own petrol to games.

I was also thinking, he is already very close to our assistants. There’s no sense of estrangement like Madge had with the assistants thrust upon him. Company snitches.

Plus he’s not at all fearsome or in your face and of all of our speakers during the Madge triggering, he’s been the best. That was a welcome surprise.

Tsp rating: 6/10
Betting: 2023 coach: $31.00
I was thinking we should have a market for some fun. We can update and argue about it. Votes are fun, market is funner.
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Ciraldo $3.00
Morris $5.00
Flanagan $8.50
Payten $10.00
Woolf $16.00
Kimmorley $31.00
Walker Bros $35.00
Hodgson $35.00
Green $50.00
Ryles $50.00
Young $75.00
Fittler $100.00
Slater $250.00
Bellamy $5000.00
 
Tiger Woods said:
The coach driving to Campbelltown this morning 🤣

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Lol.

At the presser with Tim, Brett looked and sounded like all his Christmases had come at once. He could barely contain his shock and amazement.

Not the cruel manifestation of some evil plan the underlings have been working on for months!

One day he’s checking to ensure the U9’s are running out with matching socks and the next, he’s got the fate of a $100m NRL club and Lee estimates up to 400,000 fans in his hands.

I’d have preferred it not to come at Madge’s expense, but no one can argue that on some levels, dreams come true at the Wests Tigers.

Another reason why our club is out of the box.

We are not born like other clubs!

At the end of the day, for better or worse, a bloke has some kind of chance.

Anyway…

I hope we smash Manly. Summon the ghosts of our beloved and indomitable Maggie brothers in blood, get the silver tail and head slapping thing going before we run out.

No tomorrow Wests Tigers, let’s get this done.

Do it for Noddy.

Fek Manly and everything they stand for.

Fire up lads, don’t die wondering!
 
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haberfield_tiger said:
Rob needs to follow a new team.. finally the club made a decision. Madge had to go he was a failure. The club was smart the way they sacked Madge its never easy but very strategic how it was done.

Let's not forget when Madge took the job on he said this squad can make the 8... He never got us there.
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y0ur exactly right, it was his team now, his team at souths in 15/16 went backwards dramatically and he couldnt replicate that with us either. I couldnt fault his desire and work ethic but i couldnt name many players that actually improved under Madge, anyway go the Tigers today
 
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