Luciano Leilua

pawsandclaws1 said:
Just my positive thoughts -

Sheens is aware the Cowboys have cap issues and can't afford LL this year without losing/swapping a player with WTs.

Justin booked LL first class on a NASA space shuttle to Townsville before the ink dried dried on the release and before any discussions around player swaps occurred.

The Cowboys now have LL but can't fit him in the cap. Robson is offered and rejected. Why would we want another hooker? We want Nanai but would accept the Hammer.
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that was the deal at the start,now where 1/2 way n its a $%^& up.who wears this?still picking through the details,truths n lies
 
Surely Luc had to request a release, now i am assuming it would be in writting and we would have agreed in writing. Cant imagine this would not be checked by our in house lawyer.
Not that i know anything but I think the media is scoring easy points against us as usual.
If i am wrong then there has some to be some heads rolling for the stuff up .
 
Contract

In all likelihood a formal release is just that.

The original Lucy contract would have been signed by our club and Lucy for a sum in exchange for a period of playing etc.

Lucy is the one who contracted with us a couple of years ago not the cowboys.

We release Lucy upon request by him and the arrangements are terminated.

Then it is up to Lucy and the Cowboys.

If Lucy didn’t do his home work with them, that’s his problem.

If they held out to him that they could pick him up when they can’t, that’s for him to sue them.

Nothing to do with us.

The most likely outcome is a settlement where they back end him or something so akin.

I’ve given Lee a hard time as chair, but running a big law firm, he’d have some gun lawyers to hand and would have taken the best of advice from barristers.

I doubt anything in his contract says we have to pay him following a release or subject to another club engaging him. I haven’t seen the contract, but that makes sense. You’d never hire a player on such terms.

It’s more likely a guillotine. It’s over, it’s done.

The cows should have been careful what they wished for.

Our club isn’t a bank or a charity for Queensland accountants who can’t add up.

Lucy May spend a period without a club, so be it. His managers and lawyers are incompetent.

It’s nice to get a win somewhere!

That is my understanding.
 
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TSP said:
Contract

In all likelihood a formal release is just that.

The contract would have been signed by our club and Lucy for a sum in exchange for a period of playing etc.

Lucy is the one who contracted with us a couple of years ago not the cowboys.

We release Lucy upon request by him and the arrangements are terminated.

Then it is up to Lucy and the Cowboys.

If Lucy didn’t do his home work with them, that’s his problem.

If they held out to him that they could pick him up when they can’t, that’s for him to sue them.

Nothing to do with us.

The most likely outcome is a settlement where they back end him or something so akin.

I’ve given Lee a hard time as chair, but running a big law firm, he’d have some gun lawyers to hand and would have taken the best of advice from barristers.

I doubt anything in his contract says we have to pay him following a release or subject to another club engaging him.

It’s more likely a guillotine. It’s over, it’s done.
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Nothing is signed due to Cowboys cap, it sounds like we jumped the gun.
Lucy is going to stay here kicking stones probably. Unless of course we swap a player.
 
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Cobarcats said:
Nothing is signed due to Cowboys cap, it sounds like we jumped the gun.
Lucy is going to stay here kicking stones probably. Unless of course we swap a player.
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If he’s signed the release and we’ve signed it, he’s done and dusted.

That was the inspiration behind @pawsandclaws1 earlier point. His aim was true.

If you are right ( I don’t think so, but for the argument) , if he’s selected, Lucy has to play footy for us or be in breach of his contract.

If he won’t play for us or mucks about, we won’t pay. Our contract with him, obliges him to do his best to play. He can’t mow the lawns because he want to. He’s paid to provide a service. He has to perform it.
 
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Needaname said:
Whether or not this is full truth outlined;
NRL 360 have stated it as Tigers jumped the gun and activated the release immediately as a result to North Queensland enquiring of the possibility.
I’m not sure we have any leverage here.
Apparently the Cowboys were waiting till after the rep round to look at taking Leulia in case he gets injured in the Samoa game. If they back out for the remainder of the year suggestions are that we are still liable to pay out the remainder of Lucy’s contract.
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That is total rubbish from 360 - bit more WT bashing. LL and NQ have requested a release on 3 occasions. If he or his manager requested a release and we gave it to him there is no onus on us for anything that eventuates afterwards.
 
Westie said:
If i am wrong then there has some to be some heads rolling for the stuff up .
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Can you explain the stuff up. I just can't see how it's a stuff up and worst case the stuff up is so tiny.

Best case:- No further payments to Luc.
Worst case:- We pay Luc until the end of the season but he plays for us.

The best case is pretty ordinary which is why I don't understand releasing him. The worst case though to me is as trivial as someone on the Tigers board getting a paper cut.
 
diedpretty said:
That is total rubbish from 360 - bit more WT bashing. LL and NQ have requested a release on 3 occasions. If he or his manager requested a release and we gave it to him there is no onus on us for anything that eventuates afterwards.
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Sounds right.

Can do you or anyone understand the potential stuff-up ? I don't get it.
 
Cobarcats said:
Nothing is signed due to Cowboys cap, it sounds like we jumped the gun.
Lucy is going to stay here kicking stones probably. Unless of course we swap a player.
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A lot of people seem to be missing the point. We had no arrangement with or contract with NQ. Our contractual agreement was with LL to play with us until the end of 2022. He or his manager requested on several occasions for a release from that contract. On the 14/6 after the third request for a release we obliged his request to release him from his contract with us. End of story. LL, his manager and NQ can jump up and down all they want but unless they can produce evidence that there was a contractual agreement between WT, LL and cows that shows we couldn't release him until they were ready then they can whistle dixie.
 
diedpretty said:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point. We had no arrangement with or contract with NQ. Our contractual agreement was with LL to play with us until the end of 2022. He or his manager requested on several occasions for a release from that contract. On the 14/6 after the third request for a release we obliged his request to release him from his contract with us. End of story. LL, his manager and NQ can jump up and down all they want but unless they can produce evidence that there was a contractual agreement between WT, LL and cows that shows we couldn't release him until they were ready then they can whistle dixie.
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I concur.

Although there could be argument about what constitutes a release.

The club should post the substantive documents up for legal analysis.

Better than the bush lawyers bullshitting everyone on 360.

How Samoa enters the frame is a long bow. Frightening lol.

Putin pulls out of Ukraine so WT have made another mistake? That’s the logic lol.

I’m tired of the media running us down. I hope the lads grow strength from it.
 
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diedpretty said:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point. We had no arrangement with or contract with NQ. Our contractual agreement was with LL to play with us until the end of 2022. He or his manager requested on several occasions for a release from that contract. On the 14/6 after the third request for a release we obliged his request to release him from his contract with us. End of story.
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I think the counter argument is we haven't done the paperwork. I've quit jobs before and all you do is state see you later guys. I don't think I signed anything. You get paid out the money you were owed but that is it.

I wouldn't expect the final payout to be completed by now. Is that the paperwork we haven't completed ?
 
hank37w said:
No one ever suggested he was any good at it,
just look at some of the contracts we have signed.
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I tell you now Lee is an extremely successful lawyer. When you talk about big dongas in the workforce he has one of the biggest.

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diedpretty said:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point. We had no arrangement with or contract with NQ. Our contractual agreement was with LL to play with us until the end of 2022. He or his manager requested on several occasions for a release from that contract. On the 14/6 after the third request for a release we obliged his request to release him from his contract with us. End of story. LL, his manager and NQ can jump up and down all they want but unless they can produce evidence that there was a contractual agreement between WT, LL and cows that shows we couldn't release him until they were ready then they can whistle dixie.
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That would be my take on it as well. The contractual arrangement is between the club and LL. NQ have no standing at all. If LL asks for a release and we agree and the paperwork is legitimate, it's game over.
 
unless we have mighty moral standard,or if but,its not our fault,dump it in their laps,who signed what and who spilt it
 
Earl said:
I think the counter argument is we haven't done the paperwork. I've quit jobs before and all you do is state see you later guys. I don't think I signed anything. You get paid out the money you were owed but that is it.

I wouldn't expect the final payout to be completed by now. Is that the paperwork we haven't completed ?
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Thats still nothing to do with the cows - they are trying to say they can't sign him because we didn't do the paperwork for the release but even if we did they say they couldn't sign him anyway because they don't have the money - thats absurd. Like i said earlier if NQ were ready to go all they had to do was say to WT is the release paperwork done. And the point of their argument makes no sense - if we didn't do the paperwork for his release then his contract with us still stands and he can sit on the bench for the maggies till the end of they year if we see fit.
 
Lee has moved quickly for a reason.

He’s a lawyer, it’s critical that he feks his opponent over. It’s what he does everyday.

If he has blown this, it’s the last straw.

But I think the chances of such an error or misjudgment by Lee in this matter, are remote.

If we win this, and we will, hopefully ciraldo will be impressed.
 
diedpretty said:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point. We had no arrangement with or contract with NQ. Our contractual agreement was with LL to play with us until the end of 2022. He or his manager requested on several occasions for a release from that contract. On the 14/6 after the third request for a release we obliged his request to release him from his contract with us. End of story. LL, his manager and NQ can jump up and down all they want but unless they can produce evidence that there was a contractual agreement between WT, LL and cows that shows we couldn't release him until they were ready then they can whistle dixie.
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The NRL ratifies contracts, if cowboys say they can't do it then lucy stays on our books one would imagine, sounds like we jumped the gun before everything was officially signed, we have to honour that previous contract, only avenue is to sue cowboys for being dummies ha ha 😏
 
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