Luciano Leilua

Earl said:
This would never happen. I quit my job and it took at least a couple of weeks for the figures to be clarified. Has anyone here ever quit their job and their company has given them a proper pay out figure on that day ? It'd have to be a pretty simple cash in hand type job with no holiday or other leave and no super payments etc.

I didn't sign anything.

You quit as of a certain date and you get all your owed salary up to that point paid out.

I really think some people aren't viewing this accurately at all. This is someone quitting their job.

If there was some trade deal that is different. This is the area where we as fans could think the club stuffed up. I think we stuffed up releasing him without a trade deal in place but it's not a big deal.

Does anyone here work in HR ? It just seems the criticism of the club in this instance is at crazy levels of stupidity.

I could be missing something because I'm not an expert but no one on here has provided any sort of factual information and posts like yours don't appear to correlate with the reality of HR practices/ contract law in a corporate environment.
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I agree he has quit his job. IMO where the money comes from is irrelevant, you can get a third party to pay it, who cares. It’s which club cap it’s allocated to. On the surface it should be cowboys. Depends on these “rules” though and who NRL sides with.
 
Tiger-ferret said:
I agree he has quit his job. IMO where the money comes from is irrelevant, you can get a third party to pay it, who cares. It’s which club cap it’s allocated to. On the surface it should be cowboys. Depends on these “rules” though and who NRL sides with.
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I think you’re oversimplifying it. He asked to be released from his contractual arrangement to take up a new contract. He didn’t just quit and forgo $200,000.00 approx.
 
jirskyr said:
I've always heard the opposite - an informal agreement between clubs about the appropriate sequence of announcements.

E.g. when the photograph of Kikau was leaked in a Bulldogs jersey. I also recall an incident a few years ago, the player escapes me, where one club announced early and their incumbent got the shits.
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Yes that's all I've ever heard of too. Its considered courteous to allow the club who is releasing the player to make that announcement followed by the new club announcing the signing.
 
Earl said:
This would never happen. I quit my job and it took at least a couple of weeks for the figures to be clarified. Has anyone here ever quit their job and their company has given them a proper pay out figure on that day ? It'd have to be a pretty simple cash in hand type job with no holiday or other leave and no super payments etc.

I didn't sign anything.

You quit as of a certain date and you get all your owed salary up to that point paid out.

I really think some people aren't viewing this accurately at all. This is someone quitting their job.

If there was some trade deal that is different. This is the area where we as fans could think the club stuffed up. I think we stuffed up releasing him without a trade deal in place but it's not a big deal.

Does anyone here work in HR ? It just seems the criticism of the club in this instance is at crazy levels of stupidity.

I could be missing something because I'm not an expert but no one on here has provided any sort of factual information and posts like yours don't appear to correlate with the reality of HR practices/ contract law in a corporate environment.
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I've been paid out the day I leave everywhere I go. If you've given notice and agreed on the date you're leaving they can get your shit together.
 
Earl said:
This would never happen. I quit my job and it took at least a couple of weeks for the figures to be clarified. Has anyone here ever quit their job and their company has given them a proper pay out figure on that day ? It'd have to be a pretty simple cash in hand type job with no holiday or other leave and no super payments etc.

I didn't sign anything.

You quit as of a certain date and you get all your owed salary up to that point paid out.

I really think some people aren't viewing this accurately at all. This is someone quitting their job.

If there was some trade deal that is different. This is the area where we as fans could think the club stuffed up. I think we stuffed up releasing him without a trade deal in place but it's not a big deal.

Does anyone here work in HR ? It just seems the criticism of the club in this instance is at crazy levels of stupidity.

I could be missing something because I'm not an expert but no one on here has provided any sort of factual information and posts like yours don't appear to correlate with the reality of HR practices/ contract law in a corporate environment.
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He didn't quit his job. His management negotiated a release with the club.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
He didn't quit his job. His management negotiated a release with the club.
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So technically his manager asked for a release and we granted it. Apparently he had asked multiple times.

Is there any evidence that the club has done anything wrong here apart from not getting any benefit excluding not paying his salary post his release date ?

I'm just not seeing the issue and no one has been able to articulate the issue.
 
Earl said:
I wouldn't tell them anything. If I was asked I'd laugh and say we released him as per his request and reading between the lines it sounds like the Cowboys and/or his manager stuffed up because they can't register his contract.

You then laugh and say something like "not all clubs and agents are professional in their approach unlike our club".
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The dickheads on 360 said that the Cows want him after the game withTonga in case he gets injured.
 
mikey said:
I don't think we have to honour the contract if he said he wants out and signed the termination of his contract - I'm 100% not sure but as far as I am aware a verbal agreement to terminate is enough too; it's like if I tell the boss I'm leaving - they have no obligation to take me back if I change my mind.
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All a player or agent has to do is deny the verbal agreement took place and then you have to honour it.
In a civil workplace most employment has no contract but does have performance clauses to protect against unfair dismissals.
Everything I've read so far on the forum is hearsay, we are all guessing imo.
I've read that "all contracts whether they're new or altered, are ratified by the nrl" but because I have no reference it is hearsay as well.
Personally I don't give a rats other than I dont like our club to be continually slandered.
If the club has again been caught out because of their ineptitude particularly having a law firm backing them I will be annoyed.
The more I read into this it's a storm in a tea cup and not worth losing sleep over, but I do hope our relationship with Tod Payten is not soured.
 
Earl said:
So technically his manager asked for a release and we granted it. Apparently he had asked multiple times.

Is there any evidence that the club has done anything wrong here apart from not getting any benefit excluding not paying his salary post his release date ?

I'm just not seeing the issue and no one has been able to articulate the issue.
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No information outside a notice from the club & the Cowboys GM's comments has been provided.

It's all hypothetical.

But to associate it to you're own quitting experience isn't the same as all NRL contract releases are negotiated unless they are Terminated. Let's just hope we did things the right way.
 
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