Wests Tigers Coaches

[pawsandclaws1]

Mate in case you don't realise the only person who seems to be obsessed with Maguire is you. You keep saying he is gone but when ever anyone has concerns over Sheens appt you get on the defensive and bring up Maguire.
The concerns over Sheens are separate to Maguire and for some they are legitimate.

So all the push back is not about Maguire being replaced? Sure that is believable. Wait until the coaching announcement is made when the meltdowns begin in earnest.

 

[Telltails]

So all the push back is not about Maguire being replaced? Sure that is believable. Wait until the coaching announcement is made when the meltdowns begin in earnest.

Mate if they announced the janitor from Sharks toilet block was appt coach over Maguire you would have found away to support it. You need to move on and accept that any coach that the club appoint will be supported by some and not by others regardless of the bloke who had the job before him.

 

[weststigerman]

Maybe. For some reason you hated Madge. Maybe he didn't suit your style. You also seem to like Clearly.

My take is though Madge has built a good groundwork for the future. The junior development and pathways all happened with Madge as head coach. I've already stated I talked to a gun junior and he told me Madge had spoken to him. That was the first thing he said when I told him I was a Tigers fan.

Cleary stuffed our cap and bought dud players for marquee dollars in an attempt to get short term success but which stuffed us longer term.

Madge walked into a mess and I think he has left us in a good position.

The thing is right now we are at a critical time. We have cap space. We have 4 halves that we need to pick and pay for the next couple of years at least or go to market.

I hope Sheens can make the right decisions going forward but he has a history of making the wrong decisions. I've supported the club for years and I've seen some bad coaches. Alan Jones, Lamb, Cleary and Taylor were all terrible coaches. Sheens had his moments but he had left a mess. Cleary got his team performing to a low level (he didn't make the finals) and left as big a mess as Sheens did.

I understand Madge was always in trouble due to the results we've had which were poor. I just can't view him as one of our dud coaches.

Great post. 100% agree.

 

[OzLuke]

Not sure why most are pissed with this Sheen decision..
CC said No and Morris most likely the same so do we hang out for a few more months (which stops recruitment) and hope someone pops up or do we market it as Sheen to sign for 2 years and develop the next HC.. It takes the heat off the club and IF a better option comes up (E.g. Todd P, Ryles, etc) Sheen can act on it and revert back to his role to run the footy side of the business. IMO he wont last the 2 years as I think we will get a coach by then.
He has a great understanding of the players we need to keep and let go and knows the juniors system inside and out.

Would I have liked a CC or Woolfe etc.. YES but this is out best option moving forward now and I also think with Benji joining it helps with recruitment etc..

Anyway just my thoughts but I know all won't agree..

Hopefully over the next few years it shows that Madge did the dirty work for future success...junior pathways, no salary cap issues etc and that our soon to be coaching team get to see us through at least a few years of stability.

 

[earl]

Madge was never imo a good fit for WTs. Why did you not see this?

I don't know what this means. Can you clarify this ?

 

[Needaname]

BK is coach at present isn't he?

Oh I look forward to next year then after sheens has had a preseason to improve them further

 

[earl]

It’s happening sheens will be coach just get on board with what’s the point in complaining? There not gonna change the decision

We are supporters of the club after all so let’s support this decision

Just to be clear and speaking only for myself I'm fine with the decision. Sheens was my last pick along with Noddy but I support the club and I'm not going to whinge about Sheens getting the job.

I think Ciraldo was just as poor a decision as anyone.

The proof will be in our performances next season and the following seasons. You just don't know until we see how it goes.

My only concern is not blowing our cap on dud recruits. I'd rather lose and have money in the bank because I think recruiting duds will make it so much harder to retain top talent if we actually develop some quality players.

Look at the way we purchased IP and Parra didn't even develop him. They just didn't have the cap to retain him. We've been through that same experience recently with Luc, Aloiai and Matterson.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Mate if they announced the janitor from Sharks toilet block was appt coach over Maguire you would have found away to support it. You need to move on and accept that any coach that the club appoint will be supported by some and not by others regardless of the bloke who had the job before him.

I believe Earl used the word hate to described my view on Madge. Hate is a strong word and this is a gross misrepresentation of my position. From all accounts, Maguire is a nice fellow but was never a good fit for WTs. This was my view from prior to his commencement. I have a very positive view of the future of the club and while I accept opinions on coaches differ, the push back on this forum about Maguire's departure is puzzling considering his results.

 

[Needaname]

I don't know what this means. Can you clarify this ?

Under Madge the Wests Tigers didn’t throw the ball around enough, Brooks was given the keys to play whole field as halfback and not be pigeoned into his running second receiver role like under Cleary. The forwards didn’t offload enough the team didn’t tackle enough. Though you’d be hard pressed finding a top 8 defensive team under Sheens former term.
Basically Madge style didn’t suit the Tigers of old.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Oh I look forward to next year then after sheens has had a preseason to improve them further

You used the word "laughable" to describe my comment that Sheens' game plans will better match the skillsets of our younger players. This is a fundamental move away from the one size fits all approach that we had previously seen. I believed my comment to be reasonable. BK is coaching at present therefore naturally I questioned such a strong comment?

 

[Telltails]

I believe Earl used the word hate to described my view on Madge. Hate is a strong word and this is a gross misrepresentation of my position. From all accounts, Maguire is a nice fellow but was never a good fit for WTs. This was my view from prior to his commencement. I have a very positive view of the future of the club and while I accept opinions on coaches differ, the push back on this forum about Maguire's departure is puzzling considering his results.

Fair response.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I don't know what this means. Can you clarify this ?

It was plainly obvious Maguire was never a good fit for WTs. Probably which is consistent with the square peg/round hole comment. I am puzzled why you didn't see this?

 

[Needaname]

Just to be clear and speaking only for myself I'm fine with the decision. Sheens was my last pick along with Noddy but I support the club and I'm not going to whinge about Sheens getting the job.

I think Ciraldo was just as poor a decision as anyone.

The proof will be in our performances next season and the following seasons. You just don't know until we see how it goes.

My only concern is not blowing our cap on dud recruits. I'd rather lose and have money in the bank because I think recruiting duds will make it so much harder to retain top talent if we actually develop some quality players.

Look at the way we purchased IP and Parra didn't even develop him. They just didn't have the cap to retain him. We've been through that same experience recently with Luc, Aloiai and Matterson.

Whole heartedly agree with this.
I’d be fine with a similar approach to what the Dragons have done this year with multiple senior players on short term contract for experience and depth but we should be spending our big money on a proven marquee.
The only catch is, no one will come until we at least look capable of challenging for the top 4.
It’s a big ask to ask players to sign their next 3 years away when the likelihood is that they will be toiling years trying to rebuild the club.
Joffa is the exception. Really, need more like him. But I’m yet to be convinced he can handle his best position as prop.

 

[earl]

Under Madge the Wests Tigers didn’t throw the ball around enough, Brooks was given the keys to play whole field as halfback and not be pigeoned into his running second receiver role like under Cleary. The forwards didn’t offload enough the team didn’t tackle enough. Though you’d be hard pressed finding a top 8 defensive team under Sheens former term.
Basically Madge style didn’t suit the Tigers of old.

I think this is a bit of a rough call. I mean you are stating we weren't expansive enough but Brooks was allowed to do what he wanted.

My take is we just didn't have the players to compete but I honestly think our roster is improving.

My criticism would be losing players like Matterson, Aloiai and Luc but I also think all of those players left for one reason only and that is more money.

I think Madge was hard done by but I also understand it's pretty hard to keep your job if you are a first grade coach and you've had 4 years of not making the finals.

 

[batboy]

Pret

pretty blinkered view - once they actually clicked that 05 side and style was more than just Benji. They had a spine as good as any side today. They had a no 7 who was in control and had a great kicking game. They had experienced and skillful outside backs that weren't afraid to throw the ball about. A mobile pack of forwards that got the team on the front foot. Prince was the player that drove that side - the team fell apart with his contract saga and departure.

And it didn't take half a season post triumph for the other coaches to nullify them... They invented the wrestle, The middles got bigger and better feet...
While we just kept rolling out the same old same old.
With all the experience, innovation and generational players
- We went from premiers to taking 5 years to win more than half of the time....
Name another team or coach that survived having done that?
Everyone is quick to dismiss Sheens 10 years of nothing before 2005 also....
My view is this club has hung it's hat on a miracle premiership for a very long time, People have made careers out of it.
For everyone thinks we've been in the dark ages since Sheens left,
Best load up on candles... Especially if he lets our best contracted players for next year out of their contracts.

I find it of no coincidence that Madge was sacked for lack of results and immediately following was the narrative about not getting results for a few years because we've got kids coming through.... So 1st we shouldn't expect results - Then we find out Sheens will be coach.

Feels like he's flipped the switch on Order 66

 

[earl]

It was plainly obvious Maguire was never a good fit for WTs. Probably which is consistent with the square peg/round hole comment. I am puzzled why you didn't see this?

I need details to respond to this. Was it that we didn't play expansive footy ? I honestly don't think Madge was that bad in this way.

It's cool though. I understand that 4 years of under performance and currently last on the ladder is not acceptable.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Under Madge the Wests Tigers didn’t throw the ball around enough, Brooks was given the keys to play whole field as halfback and not be pigeoned into his running second receiver role like under Cleary. The forwards didn’t offload enough the team didn’t tackle enough. Though you’d be hard pressed finding a top 8 defensive team under Sheens former term.
Basically Madge style didn’t suit the Tigers of old.

Hyperbolize much?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I need details to respond to this. Was it that we didn't play expansive footy ? I honestly don't think Madge was that bad in this way.

It's cool though. I understand that 4 years of under performance and currently last on the ladder is not acceptable.

Maguire had a one size fits all approach, whereas someone like Flanagan is/was different I wrote earlier, Flanagan reviewed his squad, their skills and devised a style suitable to the squad's skillsets. It is fundamentally different but many supporters want Flanagan at WTs and expressed the view he is similar to Maguire. This is not correct imo. Sure he by reputation is a hard taskmaster but had a different approach.

 

[Needaname]

You used the word "laughable" to describe my comment that Sheens' game plans will better match the skillsets of our younger players. This is a fundamental move away from the one size fits all approach that we had previously seen. I believed my comment to be reasonable. BK is coaching at present therefore naturally I questioned such a strong comment?

Horses for courses really. We never looked like having a roster even capable of playing a Madge style game, if that was even a thing. Sheens style will if anything excite these young players, but we still need them along with everyone else in the side to play tough, fast and competitive football before they can get fancy with the ball.
This is my opinion, why I was a supporter of a Madge styled approach for at least the inception of this rebuild, and also why I’ve never been convinced that the tigers have looked like a team you can bank your house on. The style of football that wins comps we had played under sheens a handful of times in 4 seasons. 2005,2009,2010,2011.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

But but he hasn’t played with Doueihi.

I wonder when you will come out of the closet and admit your a brooks fanboy.