Wests Tigers Coaches

This was posted on the other thread by Tigre. Thank you. It is interesting to read and Sheens' view overall and specifically on Brooks. I'm glad it appears Brooks will be remaining and Sheens and Benji both rate him.

Tim Sheens speaks exclusively to Phil Rothfield about the Benji Marshall coaching deal

Q: Why Benji?

A: We caught up for breakfast a couple of weeks ago at Concord. A cafe called Organica. He’d made it known to Justin Pascoe that he was keen to coach at some stage. We had a long chat. He was all in and prepared to give up everything else.

Q: Some see it as a publicity stunt. A big name to take some pressure off the administration.

A: Oh please. You really think that. It’s an insult to Benji and everyone else in our organisation. He is going to work his backside off to make this work. He’s always worked hard and that’s why he’s been successful. We genuinely think that in two years time he’ll be ready and that he’s the best option. Let’s see what the critics want to say then. Just give him a chance.


Q: Does he fully understand what he’s getting into?

A: Players sometimes don’t understand. They come to training, everything has been prepared for them, they do their work and then go home. That’s their day. The coaching staff works much longer hours. It can be a 24/7 job. Now and again you sneak in a day off. I wanted Benji to know exactly what he’s walking into. We spoke about his young family. All of that.

Q: Were you surprised he wanted to coach so soon after retiring?

A: I got the impression that while he was grateful to have all the media work, he wasn’t getting the satisfaction that he really wanted out of it. He wanted to be a coach.

Q: You obviously think he’ll make it?

A: I’m very confident he’ll make the transition. He’s got a couple of years. There will be some heavy schooling. He’s very intelligent, as is Robbie Farah. They’ll work off each other. Benji has had a long career in the spine and has a great knowledge of the game.

Q: You’ve had a bit to do with a few handy coaches. You gave Craig Bellamy his first coaching job, you coached Ricky Stuart, and more recently Todd Payten.

A: Toddy was a halfback in a front-rower’s body. I haven’t made any of them great coaches. I recognised they had potential. They’ve forged their own successful careers. It’s more than just knowing the game. They were destined to be good coaches.

Your demeanour, your personality, your presence, your ability to cope with pressure, the media, the highs and lows, and the challenges of making family sacrifices. Even at home your head can be stuck in football. If you’re going well, there’s pressure to keep it going. If you’re going bad, there’s pressure to fix it. The more I discussed all this with Benji, the more excited he got.

Q: It still can be seen as a gamble.

A: Benji has that special ability to be able to communicate with all the age groups from senior players to kids in the pathway systems. He’ll understand that not everyone will be as talented as he was. His personality is really important. He’s had that infectious manner since he came in as a 17-year-old. That will help us with recruitment.

Benji is very well respected and connected among players across the game. He’s so energetic. The apprenticeship over the next couple of years will be pretty heavy but he’s up for it. He’s played under me, Wayne (Bennett) and a lot of experienced coaches who have broadened his knowledge.


Q: What about yourself? It’s a big job. You’re coaching Benji and a footy team.

A: Benji’s not a boy. He’ll be contributing as an assistant coach. He’s had 300 games. He’s not coming in as a rookie.

Q: Why are you doing it, Tim? You could have made it a lot easier for yourself and stayed on as head of football and appointed a Shane Flanagan or Paul Green.

A: We decided to go with someone with Wests Tigers DNA. I only made the decision on Thursday. I’ve thought long and hard about it.

Q: You’re 71, Tim. Where does the energy come from?

A: I’m not that old. Are we going to start talking about ages? You’re an old journo. That doesn’t mean you’re finished up. I’ve just walked 30 kilometres up Mount Victoria with Simmo (Royce Simmons). I love doing what I’m doing. I love the challenges and having experience can give you an edge. That’s the way I look at it.

Q: It’s a big commitment, Tim. The Wests Tigers isn’t an easy job.

A: You think I don’t realise that? You’re up at 6am each day and you’re normally among the last to finish. Of course it’s hard work but that’s the case in most jobs if you want success.

Q: It’s an important part of your job to shut down the constant leaks.

A: These things sort themselves out. We’re an easy shot at the moment because we’ve slid to the bottom. We’ve got to claw our way back. We start having some success and there’s nothing to leak.

Q: What message have you got for Wests Tigers fans who have had little to cheer about?

A: Our plan is to build in the next three years into the club we want to be. That’s consistently playing finals football and not just bouncing out in week one.

Over three years our good 17-year-olds will become 20, and our good 19-year-olds will become 22. We’ll be in the market for good senior players like Api Koroisau and Isaiah Papali’I. I’m not going to put a date on anything but we’ll get the football club into a strong position. Our results recently are not acceptable even for a one-off year let alone over a long period of time.


Q: Is Luke Brooks part of your long-term plan?

A: I’d like to see Brooksy stay. Under Benji’s influence it will be very interesting. In 2018 he was Dally M halfback of the year. He nearly won the whole award. You don’t just lose that talent. It’s up to us to help him find that form again. Benji has that ability to get through to people. He always has. As he’s got older he’s become a great mentor. I really think they’ll work great together.


Q: What about your front office? The board and the CEO Justin Pascoe are always copping flak.

A: I can tell you we’re in really good shape in administration and I’ve worked for a lot of organisations. We have all the resources we need and the new centre of excellence. When I came back late last year I couldn’t believe how strong we were financially.

I remember in 2005 we had a burst water pipe at training. We could hardly afford a plumber. Our physio Andrew Leeds grabbed some tools and fixed it himself. We still had weights in pounds, not kilos.

The year we won the comp we played $600,000 under the salary cap because that’s all the money we had. We still had a loan we were paying back to the NRL.

Justin and Lee (Hagipantelis) cop a lot of flak, but a lot of it’s unwarranted. The football department now is financially in great shape.

Q: Good luck. I hope you can turn it around.

A: Well, we haven’t put our cue in the rack for this year. We’ll give some more young players some opportunities. We’re out there to win every week and to improve. It’s been tough but it’s actually a really exciting time for the club.

Thanks mate I missed that one
 
Was just thinking, have we ever appointed a coach that has been as controversial to us fan base as Marshall, I know it's because of the inexperience, but even with terry lamb we were pretty much like he just won the comp with the bulldog juniors it seems like the ladder of progression would be to take over an nrl side, everyone was kind of like ah not sure but give him a go. Just strange cause as Benji is who he is at the club maybe the board thought the fanbase would just get on board, but atm it is pretty controversial amongst the fanbase, other fans would prob say were stupid and never think about it again, but we're invested so we can't just get out of it, it's 5 years of glory, or 5 years of misery. Just want to know why Benjis appointment is controversial in your own opinion if you think it's a bad call, me I'm on the fence it's either genius or a disaster in the making, only because he has no experience.
 
I got 3 degrees 90, 180 and 360. My mum says I apply 90 when she use to make me do chores, family recons it’s 180 when they come looking for cash and my wife well she spins me right round baby, right round like a record going right round.

love the old education arguments. One can design a skyscraper and the other can build it. The world needs all types. Imo regardless of education only a fool discounts the opinions of those brave enough to share them. at times I have been a fool and tried to learn from it. Sometimes still am.

sorry carry on, got Covid and have bored out of my brains
 
Burgess a Director.

He’s the closest we’ve got to a normal person on the board. I’m not kidding either

The rest are corporate can’t popping moofs.

@stryker 69 ‘s favourite director, despite his forgettable music career.

He can’t remember three decades of life and he’s the smart one on the board.

Probably a slight exageration
 
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But the annual report of 6 years ago cites the payments to directors etc at well over a million dollars. The latest year won’t download, funny that.

They changed the rules in 2019.

The board is chockers with corporate types. Real estate, insurance and finance merkii.

The reward they get isn’t exactly commensurate with performance is it?

When the NRL send the spoon, they’ll use it to dip into the prawn cocktails, truffles etc.

This is a rugby league Sri Lanka waiting to happen.

An almost unelectable junta who are so out of touch it’s not funny.

We live in Fibro and they call it abestos.

This is not the wests tigers board but the Ashfield mob.

Lees got a lot more in common with us and I’m serious about that. Remarkable.
 
Burgess a Director.

He’s the closest we’ve got to a normal person on the board. I’m not kidding either

The rest are corporate can’t popping moofs.

@stryker 69 ‘s favourite director, despite his forgettable music career.

He can’t remember three decades of life and he’s the smart one on the board.
Rock on dude.
 
Sheens/Marshall - Inspired or insane?
That's the question.
However, as I see it, the Board has made a bold and brave decision. It may end in disaster - so what's new?
It just must may be the decision that will finally move this club on a trajectory that it deserves - to be one of the power clubs of the NRL.
When Ciraldo knocked back the club's offer, there was a tough decision to make - search for the 'next best', or search for a new perspective.

I believe the decision to invest in the Sheens/Marshall combo is a decision that should be applauded.
What if we had appointed Morris? Or Woolf? Or one of the other available coaches with some NRL experience?
We have been down that road for ever. Ever since Sheens was given the flick a lifetime ago.
And we have only been treading water (at best) or regressing ever since.

A brand new approach was needed. And that is what we have. It's a 'back to the future' scenario.
How will it end? Who knows. But I for one feel just a tiny bit of excitement for the first time in a long time regarding this club.
Sheens, Marshall and Farah were instrumental in evolving and instilling the Weststigers DNA. They know what it means to be a Weststigers club man. Yes, they have been 'shown the door' on at least one occasion, (and in less than savoury circumstances), but that hasn't dampened their love for the club. That's what we need. People who love the club and are determined to make is succeed.

Whether ultimately this decision proves to be insane or inspired, I congratulate the people who made this brave decision.
 
Let’s not forget, the timji empire has been thrust upon us only after we screwed up with Ciraldo big time.

We should have had Ciraldo well and truly sewn up before sacking Madge.

Instead we let him take us on a cruel public hoax. Danced and publicly defiled ourselves before the smug wretch.

We had no Plan B.

And now all of this Timji regime, it’s all second choice stuff, being sold as DNA to give it credibility.

The celebration of failure, the snow job, it’s a bold and shocking.

It’s not brave, I think it’s cowardly.
 
Let’s not forget, the timji empire has been thrust upon us only after we screwed up with Ciraldo big time.

We should have had Ciraldo well and truly sewn up before sacking Madge.

Instead we let him take us on a cruel public hoax. Danced and publicly defiled ourselves before the smug wretch.

We had no Plan B.

And now all of this Timji regime, it’s all second choice stuff, being sold as DNA to give it credibility.

The celebration of failure, the snow job, it’s a bold and shocking.

It’s not brave, I think it’s cowardly.
In all fairness it is what it is , time for us to embrace and get on board
 
Let’s not forget, the timji empire has been thrust upon us only after we screwed up with Ciraldo big time.

We should have had Ciraldo well and truly sewn up before sacking Madge.

Instead we let him take us on a cruel public hoax. Danced and publicly defiled ourselves before the smug wretch.

We had no Plan B.

And now all of this Timji regime, it’s all second choice stuff, being sold as DNA to give it credibility.

The celebration of failure, the snow job, it’s a bold and shocking.

It’s not brave, I think it’s cowardly.
Ciraldo made it clear to the club late last year that he wouldn't negotiate with us while we had a coach in place.

We sacked the coach - Ciraldo subsequently said no and here we are.
 
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