WT Ownership, The Board & Senior Management - MEGA Thread

[diedpretty]

Maybe you need to do digging.....
Those Balmain names you have lost the board positions with Balmain ownership - Or when the NRL re-appointed mandatory neutral Board members when we had to borrow all that money from them.

How is Lee not appointed By WA - He's the chair of the FC they own?
Pascoe is an employee...

Both appointments from the owners (WA)

Who is " we " - Wests Tigers have never borrowed money from NRL - that was Balmain. Nothing to do with Wests Ashfield.

 

[diedpretty]

Wow it's so complicated, so the fans could never vote out the current board.

Thats true - but its also true for about 12 other clubs in the NRL. Don't get sucked in by all the chest pumping and arm waving thats going on. The fact is only a couple of clubs in the NRL allow members to vote on board elections and even then they may not being voting on who they really want but only on who they want out.

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

Mate if you are going to scour social medial and quote individuals making individual comments, then you will never get yourself out of the quagmire of Magpies vs Balmain. I think most people don't care about that any more.

Fans 23 years old or younger weren't even alive when Balmain last existed and fans younger than 28 or so won't even remember watching Balmain or Western Suburbs play.

You are in here often and this forum is a hotbed of passionate Wests Tigers supporters, but very rarely does Magpies or Balmain stuff come up any more.

And I can genuinely say this because I am an old Balmain Tiger, I love Balmain and always will as my childhood club, but I recognise that that club is in our (shared) past. I ignore anyone who says otherwise.

By the way, Magpies did suck in the 90s, but Balmain sucked more; it's just that Balmain had a little more money in 1999 and Wests had been in the finals somewhat recently. So I fail to see how any reference to management of either club 20-30 years ago has a bearing on 2022.

Dude you, and a number of others on here, are very sensitive about anyone offering an observation from the other side of the tracks. All I said was I have noted recent examples of old Balmain types blaming all our ills on Wests Ashfield. You said you’d never experienced that (fair enough), so I supplied a couple of examples (fair enough).

You then apparently decided we were in full blown Wests v Balmain mode and trotted out the usual, well trodden arguments.

My original point stands, it is my experience (am I not allowed to voice my opinion/experience?) ... why turn the chat into a merger melee? You were the third man in buddy - you can go for 10 🤣

 

[TCL]

One things is certain our performances on and off the field has been average and the whole club is accountable.

we are a league’s club and our team hasn’t been in the finals for a decade so not one single person employed by the club should be beating their chest about anything until we have sustained positive results.

furthermore criticism of the club and the individuals responsible is warranted. While not always on the mark, it is still warranted.

 

[Bones]

Good news you are the first person I'd sack when I am put on the board. In fact I'm gonna sack everyone and do most of the jobs myself.

You’ve blown you cover now, Sheensy!

 

[The SHADOW]

Find 40 million smackers

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

Maybe you need to do digging.....
Those Balmain names you have lost the board positions with Balmain ownership - Or when the NRL re-appointed mandatory neutral Board members when we had to borrow all that money from them.

How is Lee not appointed By WA - He's the chair of the FC they own?
Pascoe is an employee...

Both appointments from the owners (WA)

Those Board member’s names I quoted are all from the last ten years, which was the time frame you seemed to want to talk about.

As for Lee, he is not a Wests Ashfield nominee, he is an independent. A former Balmain fan yes, but he’s classified as an independent.

So Batboy, who specifically on the Board do you want sacked and why? Burgess, Romero, Wade, Stapleton ?

Or would you simply blow the joint up and sack them all?

 

[jirskyr]

Dude you, and a number of others on here, are very sensitive about anyone offering an observation from the other side of the tracks. All I said was I have noted recent examples of old Balmain types blaming all our ills on Wests Ashfield. You said you’d never experienced that (fair enough), so I supplied a couple of examples (fair enough).

You then apparently decided we were in full blown Wests v Balmain mode and trotted out the usual, well trodden arguments.

My original point stands, it is my experience (am I not allowed to voice my opinion/experience?) ... why turn the chat into a merger melee? You were the third man in buddy - you can go for 10 🤣

You started talking about anti-Wests stuff. I don't think that talk is necessary. My only other comments in here are about the makeup of the board and, as per OP, how fans or members might be able to change that.

I said I have very little recent experience with anti-Wests talk, you trotted out a few random comments to show it exists. I am sure it exists, same as racism exists, or bigotry, but I find it unnecessary to go looking for it, or to cut and paste it in this forum.

Even your wording - there is no "other side of the tracks". There is only one side; the tracks were torn up in 2000 and haven't been put back. Whatever background you brought into the merger, that is now at least 23 years old and resigned to the history books.

 

[jirskyr]

How about we vote for a forum representative, get that person as a Wests Ashfield member, have everyone from the forum sign up as a Wests Ashfield member, then lobby insanely hard to vote that person to the Wests Board?

I nominate myself. I am a WA member and I am a very smart dude.

Can I also say, honestly and in response to myself, even if my suggestion here is simultaneously genuine and tongue-in-cheek (i.e. it could possibly be done, and probably will never happen), I can tell you being such a person, the "members' representative" on the Tigers Board, would be a thankless and depressing volunteer's job.

Even with The Ambush efforts, which is just a group of fans trying to provide better game-day experiences for members and fans, in consultation with the club, we have copped a fair amount of nay-saying and sometimes criticism.

Some forum people even get annoyed when Joel and Co post about their podcast on this forum, and get annoyed that Joel has his own separate forum, when neither of those things should be a problem to anyone.

So imagine really putting in all that work to get yourself installed as a member-backed Board appointment, and then inevitably have half the fans call you out for not making a difference (being one person on an 8-man board) or for not implementing an individual fan's own personal preferences.

Or even worse, being accused of being a shill or sycophant as you try to work with these other groups. It already happens now, when for example I cannot possibly defend or dare to speak positively about Tigers staff, for example Pascoe or Hartigan, without some people being compelled to howl you down. And most of those people never actually having met Pascoe or Hartigan, never worked with them or heard their side of the story.

It would end up thankless and depressing, unless by some miracle it coincided with continuous finals appearances for the first grade side.

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

Lee is nominated by the board - Mostly aligned with Wests Ashfeild.
3/4 of your names to be removed would be a cracking start.....

Anyone care to list anything that the board have done in recent times that could be classified as good business?

Bringing Sheens back to the club would be a big tick in my book

 

[bigsiro]

If there are no effective rights of members, then isn’t Membership simply a revenue raising (or ticket packaging) product?

If it wasn’t just tickets and we were actually valued as fans, then where is our voice? Do we even have a soapbox?

Without it, fan disempowerment and lack of actual connection, in combination with our misalignment and distrust of the management - in particular regarding the way the funds are being used - leaves me absolutely gobsmacked that we have now reached record membership numbers.

I mean, the game attendances aren’t that high. Who are all these new members and why are they even buying?

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

You started talking about anti-Wests stuff. I don't think that talk is necessary. My only other comments in here are about the makeup of the board and, as per OP, how fans or members might be able to change that.

I said I have very little recent experience with anti-Wests talk, you trotted out a few random comments to show it exists. I am sure it exists, same as racism exists, or bigotry, but I find it unnecessary to go looking for it, or to cut and paste it in this forum.

Even your wording - there is no "other side of the tracks". There is only one side; the tracks were torn up in 2000 and haven't been put back. Whatever background you brought into the merger, that is now at least 23 years old and resigned to the history books.

I didn’t start talking about anti-Wests stuff. I simply added a sentence at the end of a post which highlighted something I found distasteful.

I of course wasn’t aware at the time that you held such an Orwellian view of the Wests Tigers and its heritage. And that whether coming from your side of the tracks or from mine, ones heritage is never to be uttered in polite company. 🥴

Cut up your Opal Cards people - the tracks have been torn up ...

 

[BZN]

Dude you, and a number of others on here, are very sensitive about anyone offering an observation from the other side of the tracks. All I said was I have noted recent examples of old Balmain types blaming all our ills on Wests Ashfield. You said you’d never experienced that (fair enough), so I supplied a couple of examples (fair enough).

You then apparently decided we were in full blown Wests v Balmain mode and trotted out the usual, well trodden arguments.

My original point stands, it is my experience (am I not allowed to voice my opinion/experience?) ... why turn the chat into a merger melee? You were the third man in buddy - you can go for 10 🤣

Well said B2T 👍....You got Your points across re the "other side of the tracks" in a Very Fair way without being a smart arse or abusive.
And I'm sure and certain you are not aiming to start another Us V Them war as I am not and never have.
But golly gosh 🤣.... it's really refreshing to hear some strong points from the Maggies side for a change.
Have a Great day B2T 🙂

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I always thought some Balmain supporters wanted what's theirs and also what's ours..

Just wondering, if the roles were reversed that is if the Wests side were bankrupted would they have been as magnanimous in the JV as the Wests side have been?

Doubt it.

 

[balmain boy]

Thats true - but its also true for about 12 other clubs in the NRL. Don't get sucked in by all the chest pumping and arm waving thats going on. The fact is only a couple of clubs in the NRL allow members to vote on board elections and even then they may not being voting on who they really want but only on who they want out.

Please don't confuse people by including stats on privately owned clubs, which of course don't allow any member input

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I'm a member of the Coffee Club.

But that dosent give me any imputation into their business.

Customers and supporters have a choice.....The door.

 

[balmain boy]

To be honest, I'm just resigned to the fact there is nothing that can be done to improve that part of the club, there is a reason I know how our board works in such detail and it isn't because I think they are doing an amazing job.

To me that's a defeatist attitude. Yes this is the way it is, and has been, but it can change if there's a upturn of support for that change.
The board get criticised by various pundits for the misadventures. Brooks even took a pot-shot at them a couple of weeks ago too.

If there is a concerted push by members for a voice, and the media, podcasters and pundits get behind us and pile on the pressure on the board then it IS possible to get change.

The evidence against them is overwhelming. What's missing is the push to get things started.

What's certain is nothing will change if no-one pushes for change.

 

[BZN]

I always thought some Balmain supporters wanted what's theirs and also what's ours..

Just wondering, if the roles were reversed that is if the Wests side were bankrupted would they have been as magnanimous in the JV as the Wests side have been?

Doubt it.

🤔🤔🤔🤔.... Have a great day Magpie_Magic 🙂

 

[matchball]

Pissing in the wind here.

At least it's warm

 

[FinestTigers]

It would end up thankless and depressing, unless by some miracle it coincided with continuous finals appearances for the first grade side.

Unfortunately, this terminology can be applied to the many aspects of life,
Because humans sometimes are unappreciative of the things and. unappreciative of people and only realising their value when they have gone.

And isn't everyone guilty of that.