Jackson Hastings #251

[tony soprano]

small hands that was your problem

Haha did the coach actually say that to him in the show?

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Hastings to battle on at Wests Tigers​

Coach Tim Sheens has shot down claims Jackson Hastings is on the outer at Wests Tigers, suggesting the former Man of Steel is likely to start the season at lock rather than in his preferred position of halfback.

Reports emerged last week that Hastings could be on his way out of the Tigers, but Sheens insisted the player is going nowhere.

Sheens has transitioned from leading football performance to head coach at the Tigers - who have failed in attempts to sign Cameron Ciraldo and lure ex-player Todd Payten from North Queensland - a position Benji Marshall will inherit in 2025.

One major point of order for Tigers' only premiership-winning coach will be solving the halves dilemma with which interim boss Brett Kimmorley grappled last season.

Hastings, Luke Brooks and Adam Doueihi are all playmakers by trade and will be vying for two spots in the halves.

One thing is for certain: Hastings and Brooks will be a part of Sheens' plans, despite reports claiming either or both could seek a release from their Tigers contract.

"(Hastings) is contracted. He will be here," Sheens told AAP.
"If I have my say, Luke Brooks will be playing halfback here next year."

Sheens will not confirm his spine for round one until senior players return to training after Christmas but is a fan of Hastings as a lock.

It was Sheens who suggested Kimmorley move Hastings to the middle late last season, leaving Doueihi at five-eighth and Brooks at halfback.

In that combination's three games together, the Tigers defeated Brisbane - who were in the top four at the time - and came close to upsetting premiership heavyweights Penrith and North Queensland.

"Jackson is an organiser. He sees the game, he works hard in the middle," Sheens said.
"We got Adam back (from injury) around that time and with Brooks on the other side, the spine worked pretty well for about three games..

"We don't know (how the spine will look next season) but they were scoring an average of 24 points over those three games that they played.

"I'm not getting carried away with it but they did a good job for a group that had only played a handful of games together."

New assistant coaches Marshall and Robbie Farah will take a hands-on role with the spine, with the former already working with the younger Tigers who are back at training.

"(Marshall) is highly involved. I've been very impressed with him," Sheens said.
Farah has not yet returned to Concord following a stint on Lebanon's World Cup staff but both club legends have won Sheens over.

"They're being schooled in offence and defence, preparation, presentation of what they need to get across to the players," Sheens said.

"They've handled it really well."

Aside from his duties with the playing group, Marshall will have a key role in identifying long-term signings, given his impending switch to head coach.

"We won't be signing anyone that goes into Benji's timeframe that he doesn't agree with," Sheens said. (The West Australian)

 

[Tim Sheens]

Unfortunately stats don’t tell you everything.
Try assists based on the last pass.
How many of Brooks were from plays created by Hastings?
All Brooks did was pass the ball after the work was done.
Want the real stats?
How many finals has Brooks got us into or even played?
How many times has Brooks been selected (or even been considered) in a top level rep team?

Sort of like when Hastings knocked over the field goal against Parramatta, when the lead up to it was just as important.

Oh yeah, go back and look at the following week as well and see what actually occurred.

 

[batboy]

Unfortunately stats don’t tell you everything.
Try assists based on the last pass.
How many of Brooks were from plays created by Hastings?
All Brooks did was pass the ball after the work was done.
Want the real stats?
How many finals has Brooks got us into or even played?
How many times has Brooks been selected (or even been considered) in a top level rep team?

Played in the Allstars, And was bought in by Freddy in the emerging Origin squad a couple years ago....
Surely that's consideration?

 

[tony soprano]

You'd think Jackson doesn't need to "organise" as much next year with senior personnel coming into the side. API, and a few more senior forwards

 

[Telltails]

Cannot agree on this, as the pair are intrinsically intertwined in the decision making process.

Same goes for Doueihi, as the trio all want to play in the halves and bring different attributes, attitudes and abilities. Also, all three are off contract at the end of the coming season and are able to negotiate elsewhere for a week or so already.

I have no doubt whatsoever that they are being considered both individually and collectively, just as similar personnel would be in

I think the message is very clear that Brooks is being treated as a priority ahead of anything in relation to Douehi and Hastings.
As our highest paid player next year with the coach indicating that he sees him as half - his preferred position - you would hope that he is committed to the club. If that is the case and Newcastle is jumping at shadows all well and good.

 

[batboy]

You'd think Jackson doesn't need to "organise" as much next year with senior personnel coming into the side. API, and a few more senior forwards

Maybe someone can teach them where they're supposed to be and what they need to be doing in the next 4 months training so they don't need to be dragged around the park.

 

[cktiger]

Sort of like when Hastings knocked over the field goal against Parramatta, when the lead up to it was just as important.

Oh yeah, go back and look at the following week as well and see what actually occurred.

Lol- you’re talking about kicking a field goal?
Nothing to do what I was talking about.

 

[cktiger]

Hastings was actually the least effective creating half in the comp in 22.

Crap.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Lol- you’re talking about kicking a field goal?
Nothing to do what I was talking about.

Maybe on your planet, but on this one where reality exists, the plays leading to results of others were clearly written in your post.

As well as, and to quote you directly "stats don’t show you everything".

 

[cktiger]

Maybe on your planet, but on this one where reality exists, the plays leading to results of others were clearly written in your post.

As well as, and to quote you directly "stats don’t show you everything".

Seeing as I was talking about setting up try scoring opportunities it has zilch to do with it.

 

[cktiger]

Played in the Allstars, And was bought in by Freddy in the emerging Origin squad a couple years ago....
Surely that's consideration?

Played in a hokey pokey All Stars game off the bench in 2015 … came on twice at centre and five eighth.
Not one minute as a halfback.
Can’t recall what year Freddy had him in the emerging Origin squad but just about every man and his dog has been in them.
Must have seen first hand how useless he was because he has never been close to getting a real gig.

 

[TrueTiger]

Hastings was actually the least effective creating half in the comp in 22.

He probably was paws,1 season with us,injured and still played and was suspended for 3 weeks...compare that to Brooks 10 years with us and Im more than happy to give Hastings another crack with all things equal...

 

[BAGNF05]

Mate CEO's shouldn't be giving opinions on players ...causes problems

A certain Grant Mayer once said he couldn't see what all the fuss about a certain ex fullback of ours was ...I think he is the captain of our national side now

100%. In a recent interview Pascoe was crowing about his moneyball type know-how. We came last champ and heading south every year. Clown.

 

[Halbrowne61]

He’s a good financial manager, that’s it. There is more to being a CEO than that. He is one of the worst NRL CEO’s ever. The sooner he is gone the better off the club will be. COE is his legacy, have a successful winning Rugby League club isn’t. Apart from the COE he has been responsible for one disaster after another.

Save it Mike coz he’s not going anywhere, and as I’ve heard Lee state before “ he is good at what we want him to be good at “.
Are you with me.

 

[mike]

Hastings to battle on at Wests Tigers​

Coach Tim Sheens has shot down claims Jackson Hastings is on the outer at Wests Tigers, suggesting the former Man of Steel is likely to start the season at lock rather than in his preferred position of halfback.

Reports emerged last week that Hastings could be on his way out of the Tigers, but Sheens insisted the player is going nowhere.

Sheens has transitioned from leading football performance to head coach at the Tigers - who have failed in attempts to sign Cameron Ciraldo and lure ex-player Todd Payten from North Queensland - a position Benji Marshall will inherit in 2025.

One major point of order for Tigers' only premiership-winning coach will be solving the halves dilemma with which interim boss Brett Kimmorley grappled last season.

Hastings, Luke Brooks and Adam Doueihi are all playmakers by trade and will be vying for two spots in the halves.

One thing is for certain: Hastings and Brooks will be a part of Sheens' plans, despite reports claiming either or both could seek a release from their Tigers contract.

"(Hastings) is contracted. He will be here," Sheens told AAP.
"If I have my say, Luke Brooks will be playing halfback here next year."

Sheens will not confirm his spine for round one until senior players return to training after Christmas but is a fan of Hastings as a lock.

It was Sheens who suggested Kimmorley move Hastings to the middle late last season, leaving Doueihi at five-eighth and Brooks at halfback.

In that combination's three games together, the Tigers defeated Brisbane - who were in the top four at the time - and came close to upsetting premiership heavyweights Penrith and North Queensland.

"Jackson is an organiser. He sees the game, he works hard in the middle," Sheens said.
"We got Adam back (from injury) around that time and with Brooks on the other side, the spine worked pretty well for about three games..

"We don't know (how the spine will look next season) but they were scoring an average of 24 points over those three games that they played.

"I'm not getting carried away with it but they did a good job for a group that had only played a handful of games together."

New assistant coaches Marshall and Robbie Farah will take a hands-on role with the spine, with the former already working with the younger Tigers who are back at training.

"(Marshall) is highly involved. I've been very impressed with him," Sheens said.
Farah has not yet returned to Concord following a stint on Lebanon's World Cup staff but both club legends have won Sheens over.

"They're being schooled in offence and defence, preparation, presentation of what they need to get across to the players," Sheens said.

"They've handled it really well."

Aside from his duties with the playing group, Marshall will have a key role in identifying long-term signings, given his impending switch to head coach.

"We won't be signing anyone that goes into Benji's timeframe that he doesn't agree with," Sheens said. (The West Australian)

Would love Hastings to stay. Best game manager the Wests Tigers have had since Prince. Honestly though I don’t think the club feels the same way. Plays him at lock in defence and half in attack. Ridiculous, putting unnecessary workload on him in defence. I think he’ll be gone in 2024 to the detriment of the team.

 

[Alltheway]

Would love Hastings to stay. Best game manager the Wests Tigers have had since Prince. Honestly though I don’t think the club feels the same way. Plays him at lock in defence and half in attack. Ridiculous, putting unnecessary workload on him in defence. I think he’ll be gone in 2024 to the detriment of the team.

Where there’s smoke, there’s fire! I am just not sure on Hastings, great talker but seems a bit of a polarising personality. Think he hasn’t really changed much since his early troubled days, just hides it better. Called playing the game!
Certainly plays the media like a fiddle…

 

[Lebanese_Coach_aspiration]

I havent gone through the last few pages just yet, but I spoke to my friend who is Lebanese and he said the dogs are gearing up for a big money play at Hastings for next year to play scrum half. He even toured the facilities.

It does pass the common sense but too.

They have got rid of Schoupp.
Jackson and rumours are they want Allen and we are interested in Okenbour, and on their books, they literally only have 1 number 7 and he is a dud (Kyle).
They have BBO but he is injured until August Phil Gould said on his twitter yesterday.

There is no chance they are making way for cheapies and even less chance they go into 2023 this light on halves. So it is very likely they get Hastings as the dominant number 7 and Fu Brown as the utility.

In return we get Okenbour and cap space.

 

[jadtiger]

I havent gone through the last few pages just yet, but I spoke to my friend who is Lebanese and he said the dogs are gearing up for a big money play at Hastings for next year to play scrum half. He even toured the facilities.

It does pass the common sense but too.

They have got rid of Schoupp.
Jackson and rumours are they want Allen and we are interested in Okenbour, and on their books, they literally only have 1 number 7 and he is a dud (Kyle).
They have BBO but he is injured until August Phil Gould said on his twitter yesterday.

There is no chance they are making way for cheapies and even less chance they go into 2023 this light on halves. So it is very likely they get Hastings as the dominant number 7 and Fu Brown as the utility.

In return we get Okenbour and cap space.

Surely even Shonky would not be stupid enough to take another dud like Okenbour off the dumb dogs