Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tito Santana]

We can reach out and talk to RTS etc. If those talks move to formal offer stage then we take the required steps to do so.

We have fullback and other half money outside of Moses that can be spent which would be easily $1m on top of Moses to spend. How else would Brooks, Laurie or other positions get filled.

If we need Moses cash to provide a formal offer we can then withdraw from the race. We have cap space & cash.

Deadline is just something impatient fans want just so they know.

Even more reason to put a deadline on him so we can entice other players. It’s not hard guys. We’re in pole position with the best offer. It’s now take it or leave it.

 

[twentyforty]

That’s a rubbish call. He had no choice, as he had no options. As stated by telltaiils we have been given a wide berth by managers fir 11 years. But before that who was the coach?? Before the wide berth and media scrutiny. He’s not the messiah, he’s just a very naughty boy!
But when te times were good for us Sheens was in charge. So I am willing to back him.

I think Sheens is doing a great job rebuilding the bridges the club had burnt. Isaac, Stephen and Mitch in particular. I doubt we sign Klemmer or Bateman otherwise.

 

[Alltheway]

…which makes his decision to axe an experienced first grade coach who did want to be here all the more ridiculous.

Again sacked the coach because;
A poor performance.
B to get Ciraldo as he said he would come if Fadge was gone.
If u can’t see that Fadge was going nowhere, then there’s no help for you.

 

[Tucker]

Again sacked the coach because;
A poor performance.
B to get Ciraldo as he said he would come if Fadge was gone.
If u can’t see that Fadge was going nowhere, then there’s no help for you.

Besides the point. There is a time and place for those decisions. You DO NOT sack your coach mid season unless you have his replacement delivered.

 

[gallagher]

Again sacked the coach because;
A poor performance.
B to get Ciraldo as he said he would come if Fadge was gone.
If u can’t see that Fadge was going nowhere, then there’s no help for you.

All his decisions, so why do you think he wont need to take responsibly of the results?

 

[hammertime]

Even more reason to put a deadline on him so we can entice other players. It’s not hard guys. We’re in pole position with the best offer. It’s now take it or leave it.

A deadline is only going to be negative. No reason for it. There's nothing stopping us talk to others. If we have a plan B ready to sign, then yes, you could add a deadline. But otherwise, it only get someone's back up.

 

[BirchgroveTigers]

Proof will be in the pudding with Sheens. He gets us top 8 either this year or next, the spoon in 22 will be seen as worth it. He doesn’t, it won’t.

Important to remember large reason we did so poorly was loaning out players to front load contracts and increase cap for this year and next. Was always going to be a bad 2022 but was an attempt to fast track a rebuild. We now get to see if it has worked.

 

[Tito Santana]

A deadline is only going to be negative. No reason for it. There's nothing stopping us talk to others. If we have a plan B ready to sign, then yes, you could add a deadline. But otherwise, it only get someone's back up.

Well how long do you give him to?????

Why not let him stay at Parra and go hard for RTS to play fullback and buy Jesse Ramien???

Would be great to have Moses but we are losing time.

 

[clontarfkid]

Well how long do you give him to?????

Why not let him stay at Parra and go hard for RTS to play fullback and buy Jesse Ramien???

Would be great to have Moses but we are losing time.

We need a playmaker..theyre scarce as hens teeth..had one but he wasnt fast enuff according to coach Sheens

 

[hammertime]

Well how long do you give him to?????

Why not let him stay at Parra and go hard for RTS to play fullback and buy Jesse Ramien???

Would be great to have Moses but we are losing time.

How are we losing? Talking to Mitch doesn't stop discussions with the other two. Wiping out an option makes our position weaker, not stronger.

 

[crazycat]

…which makes his decision to axe an experienced first grade coach who did want to be here all the more ridiculous.

Yea, those games were wonderful to watch.
Poor defence, team not really trying and getting walked on.
Attack slow and sloppy.

The worst bit, it was Groundhog day. Other then Hastings occasionally helping us to a 1-2 point win and yes some horrible decisions not going our way, 2022 was a total failure.

Ill fault Sheens in punting McGuire in May. He should have brought a replacement in sooner or much later. I have zero problem letting Madge wait it out while a replacement is lined up. Let McGuire chew his losses, not let Kimmorley take his fall.

Otherwise, McGuire was going to be doing the same thing week in week out. I apologise to the forum that I did not realise this in 2021!

 

[crazycat]

We need a playmaker..theyre scarce as hens teeth..had one but he wasnt fast enuff according to coach Sheens

With Sheens and Benji at the helm do we need a Playmaker?
I think we need an organiser. I think Moses will help with this.
I also think we need to be hiring solid defenders, we have a huge gap and Defence is our real weakness.

Seriously with Benji and Sheens if we are not crossing the line then something is really wrong.

 

[clontarfkid]

With Sheens and Benji at the helm do we need a Playmaker?
I think we need an organiser. I think Moses will help with this.
I also think we need to be hiring solid defenders, we have a huge gap and Defence is our real weakness.

Seriously with Benji and Sheens if we are not crossing the line then something is really wrong.

What on field position does Sheens play these days...?
..and for that matter Benji.
Someone needs to organise the plays ON the field(that covers both our bases!)..and we dont have anyone remotely capable of that atm.Just Brooks and Douhi...
Improved defence critical after our numerous beltings last season... where coaching can make the biggest difference is defence structures..and of course attitude..neither Sheens nor Benji were renowned for being at the leading edge in this key area
So it will be an interesting year to say the least

 

[liltiger]

That worked out really good with the big 4 when Ivan put a deadline on them.

It was obvious they were just playing games with the club to shop themselves around for the best possible deal.

 

[liltiger]

The problems associated with merge originally damaged the perception of the club, but now it has become the inability to turn things around on the field under the current management. Quality players and their managers have been giving us a wide berth for years - although use us to prop up client contracts- and now there is some reason to believe there are coaches who see us as a risk that they are not prepared to take. They know better than anyone you can't be successful without a quality squad and we have just not been able to successfully rebuild in a competitive market for 11 years - even being in a much better position financially.
If Sheens can play his part in turning things around - on paper we have recruited well -job well done. If the team fails it won't because of him alone although history will show he will carry most of the burden.

If things fail this time, there can be no question. The board and CEO need to go. They need to be replaced by people who understand business and others who have played the game. I'm actually surprised once Sheens and the club mended things he wasn't offered a seat on the board.

 

[liltiger]

Re giving Moses a deadline.
Why not? We can't reach out with 1m offers to RTS or Olam or any other player while we have our cap zapped by Moses. If they both say "yes" then we would be in breech of the cap...
i.e.
Bulldogs under Haslier, Brisbane, Easts, Melbourne in 2007/2009....

Well hey I guess if other fish bite we should just sign them, aim for a grand final and stuff the books. What were going to get the spoon?

Not necessarily, If both agree we sign who we want and tell the other sorry thanks but too late.

 

[Kelce68]

Again sacked the coach because;
A poor performance.
B to get Ciraldo as he said he would come if Fadge was gone.
If u can’t see that Fadge was going nowhere, then there’s no help for you.

Why do you keep referring to madge as 'fadge'?

Does changing a single letter do a great job of relaying that fact that you didn't like him as a coach?

Because from this end it does sfa.

 

[liltiger]

Why does every Manly coach have a gruff voice?
Siebold
Hasler
Toovey

Because they are the biggest providers of the tpas we collect from the Glen Morrisson toilet block gloryhole.

 

[Alltheway]

Why do you keep referring to madge as 'fadge'?

Does changing a single letter do a great job of relaying that fact that you didn't like him as a coach?

Because from this end it does sfa.

Because of his ineptitude to coach! Making Luciano and liddle play 80 minutes is just the start ti how bad he is. Look at how the brown Staines use api, some meathead hooker on for 20min then api on. No wasting his talents on crap work. Look at how payten is using Luciano. Let’s hope the new coaching team no how to coach because the last one had no idea!!

 

[liltiger]

All his decisions, so why do you think he wont need to take responsibly of the results?

Only leeway he would be given is because of the years of mismanagement, poor recruitment and poor coaching before him. Excluding Maguire and Cleary who both had the squads available to them playing above their ability.