Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

fibrodreaming said:
Not exactly sure what you mean by “the Raiders making 60-70m a set for much of the first half”. That is not my recollection and so I went back and took note of the Raiders yardage per set up to the point when Rapana was binned (with 7:20 left in the first half). I counted the metres gained from tackle 1 to the fifth tackle kick, or until their set broke down.

By my calculation they had 15 sets by the time Rapana was marched.

They made in excess of 50m in 4 of those sets as follows: 60m on their first set from the kick off; another 60m on their 8th set (a 7 tackle set); 90m on their 11th set to score a try (which included a kick); and 69m in their 12th set.

There were 3 other sets which they started deep in their own half and made 35m twice and 45m once.

There were 2 sets they started just inside their own half and made 42m and 32m respectively.

There were 4 sets that they started around 30m from our line, or closer, and in 2 of those they were forced back and lost ground.

Our line speed was much better in our own half. And we really outmuscled them in our own quarter. Not sure if that is a tactic.

That makes 13 sets. The other 2 sets they received penalties before they had made much ground.

My impression was that we held our own and that was certainly reflected in the score when Rapana was binned.
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Fair play to you for going back and documenting the action. Perhaps i was wrong, i was multi-tasking a bit while watching
 
fibrodreaming said:
Not exactly sure what you mean by “the Raiders making 60-70m a set for much of the first half”. That is not my recollection and so I went back and took note of the Raiders yardage per set up to the point when Rapana was binned (with 7:20 left in the first half). I counted the metres gained from tackle 1 to the fifth tackle kick, or until their set broke down.

By my calculation they had 15 sets by the time Rapana was marched.

They made in excess of 50m in 4 of those sets as follows: 60m on their first set from the kick off; another 60m on their 8th set (a 7 tackle set); 90m on their 11th set to score a try (which included a kick); and 69m in their 12th set.

There were 3 other sets which they started deep in their own half and made 35m twice and 45m once.

There were 2 sets they started just inside their own half and made 42m and 32m respectively.

There were 4 sets that they started around 30m from our line, or closer, and in 2 of those they were forced back and lost ground.

Our line speed was much better in our own half. And we really outmuscled them in our own quarter. Not sure if that is a tactic.

That makes 13 sets. The other 2 sets they received penalties before they had made much ground.

My impression was that we held our own and that was certainly reflected in the score when Rapana was binned.
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Great analysis. Thanks for presenting facts to back up your opinions.
 
batboy said:
1.4 that was 1.5 and then 1.3 yesterday?
Again, I don't think it's overs to lure a goal kicking 7 from his top 4 team....
It's just not.

He's on 950k before the cap raise....
Cap goes up 25%, So does the wage of the marquee players - Especially when there's no 7's kicking around that would be seen as an upgrade.

Then you've got to get him to a club to help with a rebuild....
Parra paid 50k less for him to not have to clean out his locker.
They've overpaid moreso to keep him than we would have to poach him.
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Again I just don’t think he’s a huge upgrade on what we have at HB. I see bigger holes in our roster. He’s been playing on a flat track at Parra. Sign the next superstar instead.
 
batboy said:
I agree - I want a fullback more than a half (Not many of those kicking around either)
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I reckon our halves and fullback are all pretty ordinary despite Doueihi killing it on the weekend. If Doueihi kills it for the next 2 months then I'll change my position. They all need at least 2 months of quality footy to think they are guys we can build around for the next 3-5 years.
 
BAGNF05 said:
If a professional rugby league club has $1.4m per season to spend on a player the options SHOULD BE almost endless. That’s my issue with where our club has been positioned. The bottom.
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It's not that simple. You need to find players who are worth that money. I think Moses for us is pretty close to being worth that money but I think he is probably a dud marquee player.

How many players are worth marquee dollars in this comp. Tedesco as much I can't stand him is probably the only guy I think is worth that and that is because he is consistently good.

I'm not even sure if any player is worth 1.4 million or we offered that much. It appears to be more like we offered 1.2 million. It's not a huge difference but I suppose I'm talking about 1 million plus for a marquee player.
 
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BAGNF05 said:
If a professional rugby league club has $1.4m per season to spend on a player the options SHOULD BE almost endless. That’s my issue with where our club has been positioned. The bottom.
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I think there was more to the Moses chase than just that. Sure, a good player/point scorer but a foil for Brooks, Doueihi etc as well as an old boy of the club.
I am still trying to wrap my head around offloading our 2 halves post season 22. Is Brooks assured of his position irrespective of performance, been the same forever, never played reserve grade, maybe his contract has a special clause in it.
Just seems crazy to do that and then sign a guy like Wakeham on a 12 mth deal.
There must be a plan B apart from Moses but can’t work out who it might be .
 
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Happy we didnt get Moses, but agree waiting 4 years for Large and co to maybe succeed/maybe fail isn't a good plan. Neither is Brooks/Doueihi for 4 years (although 1 might be OK with the right partner).

I don't see a ready made solution for 1 or 7 who we can buy at fair value without significant risk (I.e. a guy approaching 30 and after 4 years, or *vomit* a cleary, which just wont happen). Find the NEXT one, not the last one, and try to get them in our FG team this year.

I am confident that 1 of Doueihi, Brooks or Laurie will have a huge season, but all 3 being indispensable by year end is like hoping Sheens will admit he got a team list wrong, or Madge promising not to swear at half time.
 
batboy said:
I agree - I want a fullback more than a half (Not many of those kicking around either)
Just don't agree Suali is that - Yet....
Has his moments on the wing, But has plenty missing from his game to be a top line fullback
Passing / Kicking and such - Especially in a rebuilding team such as us.

My thoughts on it were Doueihi would go to FB if we got Moses...
Weather that was the intention or not I don't know.
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A big element of recruitment is knowing the future. Guys like Teddy, Suallii, Burton, etc. you can tell from game 10 they are superstars. That’s where we need to be digging.
 
batboy said:
I was also "hoping" having Moses might also help to lure Tedesco back....

I know it's a long bow to draw, But regardless of how anyone involved feels, The Roosters have an issue looming there and Tedesco to us - Would really help them out there.

I stand by they'll move him as soon as it's necessary, Captain or not
- Did it to Pearce, Anasta, - Retired Cordner and Friend...

Reckon Moses to 7 for us would have helped us get him back...
Have also felt he might also have a slight desire to come home and make good...
All feelings and hopes and dreams of course.....

We've not had much else....
All of the above would tie us over and keep us competitive until the next crop comes through...
Also make us more appealing to other recruits and improve or value and buy prices.
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I can’t see Teddy leaving the Rortsters. The talk about suaallii taking his job is way too premature. He’s one of the best in the game if not the best. The way he gets involvements is unmatched. I’d love to get him back though.
 
batboy said:
I don't see Suaalii taking his job,
I see Suaalii taking Manus and Manu taking Teddys....
And then Suaalii taking Manus in a few years...

That's not even considering whatever they may have coming through....
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What the rorters have coming through is undoubtedly being developed at other clubs,hopefully not ours
 
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BAGNF05 said:
I can’t see Teddy leaving the Rortsters. The talk about suaallii taking his job is way too premature. He’s one of the best in the game if not the best. The way he gets involvements is unmatched. I’d love to get him back though.
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Anything to get our King James back to the Good Guys🙂
 
jrtiger said:
anyone who thinks the club are going to sign a halfback between the ages of 19-23 after this is deluded. they will not block the pathways of the juniors.

with a far better forward pack, an attack-minded coaching staff and his confidence returning I think we’ll see a far improved version of Luke Brooks. IF that goes to plan, he steers the ship for 2-3 more years and then either Conti or Isdale take the seven jersey and partner Large in the halves long term.

the best plan B at this point (if Brooks fails) would be George Williams on a three year deal, but do not expect Ethan Sanders, Jonah Pezet, Lewis Dodd or Thomas Duffy to head to concord if it doesn’t work out when Isdale and Conti (in particular) are tearing up junior reps as we speak. the club won’t allow for another Mitchell Moses to slip through the cracks.
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Forget Mitch Moses, we already let Lachlan Ilias slip through the cracks. He had a tough start to his career, but by the end of last year with Latrell in his side, he was looking class.
 
SeanT said:
No way will Brooks get 800-900k.

750k max.
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Mate it's a contract year. Remember last time it was contract year for him? 2018 Dally M Halfback of the year. Don't be surprised if he somehow remembers how to play like he used to. And if he does, he'll probably command that sort of coin or more.
 
Yeah, need a top fullback, Teddy,RTS, and others that have contracts for years. Halves - exactly the same',
Stop your dreaming, and get behind the side we have. Kepoa and Simpkins already look far better, and they were bagged most of last year. Stains has done nothing wrong, and some don't have him in the top side.
It's early days, let's just see how they all perform after a few games before we go shopping for invisible high priced and unavailable players.
 
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