Luke Brooks #167

[gregjm87]

I think those critical mistakes when we had the ball were unacceptable. If you take out the mistakes he was okay but the mistakes were huge.

It was a really poor performance.

Hopefully he gets it together next week.

He made two pretty bad errors. The pass over the shoulder of Laurie early and he dropped the ball cold. Both disappointing but nothing to lynch the guy for.

But it was said he never creates space. We got 3 six agains due to Titans holding down a player who ran into space Brooks created. He and the centre outside him ran for heaps of metres so clearly he found some space. It was said his last tackle options were poor. The only last tackle option of his that was poor was dishing off to Doueihi who was calling for the ball. We than ran it when nothing was on. As the 7 Brooks should have seen there was nothing outside him, taken the responsibility and grubbered through but at the same time if Doueihi is calling for the ball off him can understand why he would pass it too him. Every other last tackle play was fine.
Like i said not good, but not bad. Certainly nowhere near as bad as i was expecting to see after reading the comments on here before watching.

 

[The Fresh Oil]

He made two pretty bad errors. The pass over the shoulder of Laurie early and he dropped the ball cold. Both disappointing but nothing to lynch the guy for.

But it was said he never creates space. We got 3 six agains due to Titans holding down a player who ran into space Brooks created. He and the centre outside him ran for heaps of metres so clearly he found some space. It was said his last tackle options were poor. The only last tackle option of his that was poor was dishing off to Doueihi who was calling for the ball. We than ran it when nothing was on. As the 7 Brooks should have seen there was nothing outside him, taken the responsibility and grubbered through but at the same time if Doueihi is calling for the ball off him can understand why he would pass it too him. Every other last tackle play was fine.
Like i said not good, but not bad. Certainly nowhere near as bad as i was expecting to see after reading the comments on here before watching.

I must be watching the wrong game.

 

[jadtiger]

He made two pretty bad errors. The pass over the shoulder of Laurie early and he dropped the ball cold. Both disappointing but nothing to lynch the guy for.

But it was said he never creates space. We got 3 six agains due to Titans holding down a player who ran into space Brooks created. He and the centre outside him ran for heaps of metres so clearly he found some space. It was said his last tackle options were poor. The only last tackle option of his that was poor was dishing off to Doueihi who was calling for the ball. We than ran it when nothing was on. As the 7 Brooks should have seen there was nothing outside him, taken the responsibility and grubbered through but at the same time if Doueihi is calling for the ball off him can understand why he would pass it too him. Every other last tackle play was fine.
Like i said not good, but not bad. Certainly nowhere near as bad as i was expecting to see after reading the comments on here before watching.

We had 45 tackles in the oppositions 22 and Luke set up exactly ZERO tries,that is about as underwhelming as you can get.I am far from a Brooks bagger but you have to be realistic he was poor on the weekend.He will get the chance to attone this week let us hope he does or the criticism will become a crescendo

 

[tony soprano]

Sorry dumb question, but does Brooks have a contract for 2024? He is playing for a new contract this year? (I know the news is that he will be extended on less money, especially if Moses arrives).

I think Moses will drag out as long as he can and maybe by then we will all see whether brooks is even worth having with him or not (and as if Moses doesn’t see Brooks is a dud ..: and if keeping brooks to get Moses and losing douhie is the answer I’m not sold at all)

We need a Trindall or O’Sullivan next to douhie right now.

Unsigned for 2024.

 

[earl]

He made two pretty bad errors. The pass over the shoulder of Laurie early and he dropped the ball cold. Both disappointing but nothing to lynch the guy for.

They were huge errors at critical times. No one is actually lynching him.

Apart from those errors he didn't create anything when we were in a great position.

Apart from that sure he was fine but that isn't good enough for a professional footy player.

 

[Jolls]

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Blore commits to Liu here who then passes out the back to Foran.

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Doueihi commits to Foran but Talau doesn't see the short pass to Fifita coming and commits to taking Brimson out the back.

Fifita went through untouched as a result.

It was a 5 on 3 so he had to make a decision one way or another and he went the wrong one, unfortunately.

More importantly if you look they did not move forward to put pressure on Foran, they backed away giving him space. That was the first error. As soon as AD committed to Foran TT had to commit to Fifita and Nofa to the 3 in attacker. Absolute balls up - comes from poor defence drills.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

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Blore commits to Liu here who then passes out the back to Foran.

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Doueihi commits to Foran but Talau doesn't see the short pass to Fifita coming and commits to taking Brimson out the back.

Fifita went through untouched as a result.

It was a 5 on 3 so he had to make a decision one way or another and he went the wrong one, unfortunately.

The root cause was our defensive line was short and brought way infield. Talau had 3 players plus Foran to deal with and had less than a half second to react.

No one inside was communicating they were all reacting individually. AD shouldered up and got caught flat footed on inside to outside somehow at Foran who schooled us.

Foran could’ve easily passed to AJ out the back and same result happens given how far infield they all were.

It was a total breakdown of man marking defensive structure due to lack of communication

 

[Pascoes_barber]

yeah mate, limited opportunities to play attacking football when the team is forever conceding field position and making errors early in the set.

On Sunday we were parked down the Titans end near constantly, particularly early, plenty of opportunities.

I'm not sure the Titans even had the ball for one tackle inside the first full five minutes of completed football.

The only 'good' play I can recall was the short kick through the in-goal to get a repeat set (managed to miss the opposition legs so I guess if nothing else that's a sign of improvement).

 

[hobbo1]

Only 10 more games
Will he make it through???

 

[TrueTiger]

More importantly if you look they did not move forward to put pressure on Foran, they backed away giving him space. That was the first error. As soon as AD committed to Foran TT had to commit to Fifita and Nofa to the 3 in attacker. Absolute balls up - comes from poor defence drills.

Jolls,I have always said and I will repeat it again...
""its no good having a brilliant attacking game if you dont have an equally as good defensive game""
This is the NRL,not 2nd division park football...
This is why I questioned Sheens and co about having a style of throwing the ball around and an expansive attacking structure,because if you dont have the posession and the opposition keeps the the ball you have to go straight into a strong defensive pattern...this is where communication is paramount....
granted we have youth but we also have some brilliant experienced seniors I just hope Sheens has come into the modern game not back in the early 2000s,the game has changed dramatically...

 

[Jolls]

The root cause was our defensive line was short and brought way infield. Talau had 3 players plus Foran to deal with and had less than a half second to react.

No one inside was communicating they were all reacting individually. AD shouldered up and got caught flat footed on inside to outside somehow at Foran who schooled us.

Foran could’ve easily passed to AJ out the back and same result happens given how far infield they all were.

It was a total breakdown of man marking defensive structure due to lack of communication

True but if he went out the back there may have been time for the cover to get across and use the sideline as well.

The quick play the ball was the start of it all but a good defence would have closed in on Foran to cut down his time to play, protected their inside shoulder and left the overlap.

Those milliseconds make all the difference and "may" have forced Foran to make a different decision or rush his pass, or given us time to get across in cover. May not have too; but at least the right decisions would have been made by AD, TT and Nofa.

As it was, as much as people bag Nofa's defence, it looks to me like he was the only one of the backs doing the right thing.

 

[tony soprano]

True but if he went out the back there may have been time for the cover to get across and use the sideline as well.

The quick play the ball was the start of it all but a good defence would have closed in on Foran to cut down his time to play, protected their inside shoulder and left the overlap.

Those milliseconds make all the difference and "may" have forced Foran to make a different decision or rush his pass, or given us time to get across in cover. May not have too; but at least the right decisions would have been made by AD, TT and Nofa.

As it was, as much as people bag Nofa's defence, it looks to me like he was the only one of the backs doing the right thing.

Did blore pick up the head knock earlier in the set?

 

[Telltails]

True but if he went out the back there may have been time for the cover to get across and use the sideline as well.

The quick play the ball was the start of it all but a good defence would have closed in on Foran to cut down his time to play, protected their inside shoulder and left the overlap.

Those milliseconds make all the difference and "may" have forced Foran to make a different decision or rush his pass, or given us time to get across in cover. May not have too; but at least the right decisions would have been made by AD, TT and Nofa.

As it was, as much as people bag Nofa's defence, it looks to me like he was the only one of the backs doing the right thing.

Foran has a footy brain knows when to throw them, knows when to hold them.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

True but if he went out the back there may have been time for the cover to get across and use the sideline as well.

The quick play the ball was the start of it all but a good defence would have closed in on Foran to cut down his time to play, protected their inside shoulder and left the overlap.

Those milliseconds make all the difference and "may" have forced Foran to make a different decision or rush his pass, or given us time to get across in cover. May not have too; but at least the right decisions would have been made by AD, TT and Nofa.

As it was, as much as people bag Nofa's defence, it looks to me like he was the only one of the backs doing the right thing.

Not saying TT couldn’t have done better just highlighting That the situation wasn’t created by him and to be fair he shouldn’t have been in that position in the 1st place.

The speed on that side is huge, no chance we chase them down if the pass goes to AJ out the back.

If someone rushed up on Foran we then face a 5-2 overlap with 30-40mtrs of space to the sideline and Laurie midfield. The scrum play they targeted the same play but instead of Fafita gave it to AJ after we rushed the ball player - it wasn’t a coincidence. They read the numbers and attacked. Something we sucked at except when AD got on the front foot in attack.

The odds of us holding them out were well against us because of how our defensive line was brought infield. Maybe if Nofo and Talau hold their man it might of been different but with AJ & Fafita sniffing around and Foran in charge with space we were well against it from the outset.

 

[Jolls]

Not saying TT couldn’t have done better just highlighting That the situation wasn’t created by him and to be fair he shouldn’t have been in that position in the 1st place.

The speed on that side is huge, no chance we chase them down if the pass goes to AJ out the back.

If someone rushed up on Foran we then face a 5-2 overlap with 30-40mtrs of space to the sideline and Laurie midfield. The scrum play they targeted the same play but instead of Fafita gave it to AJ after we rushed the ball player - it wasn’t a coincidence. They read the numbers and attacked. Something we sucked at except when AD got on the front foot in attack.

The odds of us holding them out were well against us because of how our defensive line was brought infield. Maybe if Nofo and Talau hold their man it might of been different but with AJ & Fafita sniffing around and Foran in charge with space we were well against it from the outset.

I agree - not suggesting someone should have rushed up. However, what when AD backpedals so does the entire line and give Foran so much room. He should have put pressure on him from the outset, not given ground.

Should they have been in that situation in the first place? No. But it showed really poor decision making and a lack of cohesion in our right side defence. If they scored, after making the right defensive decisions, it is not on them. What the GC executed was a standard block play - nothing more. If was off the back of a quick play the ball but we should have handled it with ease and let the cover try to deal with AJ out the back (if that's where it went).

 

[Camel2281]

What worries me most is on top of Brooks's horrendous effort in attack last week, is his defence was even worse. Made 7 tackles missed 6 for 57% success

 

[BAGNF05]

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Blore commits to Liu here who then passes out the back to Foran.

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Doueihi commits to Foran but Talau doesn't see the short pass to Fifita coming and commits to taking Brimson out the back.

Fifita went through untouched as a result.

It was a 5 on 3 so he had to make a decision one way or another and he went the wrong one, unfortunately.

Not good enough considering the tip sheet would have been about bodies in front of Fifita. He’s unlikely to pass. If they pass it quickly and go around us so be it.

 

[Speed2burn]

Not good enough considering the tip sheet would have been about bodies in front of Fifita. He’s unlikely to pass. If they pass it quickly and go around us so be it.

Fifita is a flat track bully. His career highlights are dominating shithouse teams like us with the occasional barge over try against a top 4 team

 

[gregjm87]

What worries me most is on top of Brooks's horrendous effort in attack last week, is his defence was even worse. Made 7 tackles missed 6 for 57% success

Context matters. Everyone of those 'missed tackles' was either him being first into contact stopping all momentum before bouncing off and his teammates finishing off the job Or getting off the line quickly to force the attack back midfield because we were short outside him.
Sure it would be nice if he could hit and stick but that was pretty much textbook defence for a smaller half.

 

[tony soprano]

I agree - not suggesting someone should have rushed up. However, what when AD backpedals so does the entire line and give Foran so much room. He should have put pressure on him from the outset, not given ground.

Should they have been in that situation in the first place? No. But it showed really poor decision making and a lack of cohesion in our right side defence. If they scored, after making the right defensive decisions, it is not on them. What the GC executed was a standard block play - nothing more. If was off the back of a quick play the ball but we should have handled it with ease and let the cover try to deal with AJ out the back (if that's where it went).

Shouldn't blore been in between AD and talau?

Thought he was too far in as a second row which created the overlap