John Bateman #268

happy_tiger said:
8 weeks would a massive deal
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Over 4 years if he plays up to standard for the rest of that time period. I'd take that no problems. The thing is that is an unrealistic scenario. If he is out that long for an injury that is ongoing then we've got massive problems.

I'm hopeful he simply isn't ready due to not having a pre-season and he'll be back in a couple of weeks time.
 
twentyforty said:
I doubt it’s $1m per season. Where did you get that idea Earl? I think Sheens has a very high opinion of Bateman, I think he sees him as the catalyst for change in a team desperate to get hungry and regain that will to win. For a back rower who has that domino factor, he’s gotta be worth $750k. When you add the $250k transfer fee and a few bucks resettlement costs to make him feel even more wanted and heighten his expectations of his role. Yep, I’d say it cost the club over a $1m to get him here.
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They said he's on 650k for what it's worth.
 
Earl said:
The idea is to get him playing to his best and then hopefully the team benefits. I don't get the idea of not competing in reserve grade.

It's a 4 year contract and I doubt it's a $1m a season.
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I agree Earl. Maybe there might be a clause in Batemans contract that guarantees first grade football unless there are very specific reasons. If Sheens is telling the truth it would benefit him to stay in the first grade squad, I know they say all the grades play the same style but if he's trying to get fitter and learn the plays would it be of any benefit to play in reserve grade. I'll have to fence sit on this one.
 
liltiger said:
I agree Earl. Maybe there might be a clause in Batemans contract that guarantees first grade football unless there are very specific reasons. If Sheens is telling the truth it would benefit him to stay in the first grade squad, I know they say all the grades play the same style but if he's trying to get fitter and learn the plays would it be of any benefit to play in reserve grade. I'll have to fence sit on this one.
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I doubt it’s about getting fitter.
It’s just plain stupid to keep him away from the nrl squad given the job he needs to do, which is help develop some bloody enthusiasm for winning.
We have complained for a decade that the club sends all our on field leaders and potential leaders off to other clubs. Now when we finally get a quality leader some folks want to seperate him from the squad by playing for Magpies?
Geesh!
 
The club are simply taking the appropriate steps/measures to ensure he's meeting the required levels of fitness, not only to ensure he's capable of performing at optimal levels but is also essential for injury prevention.
I trust people more knowledgeable in Sport Science know what's best for him.

We've really only been able to monitor it for the past two weeks, as otherwise the tailored training methods he's been doing in the background does little for factors like fatigue and motor skills or whatnot.
 
twentyforty said:
I doubt it’s about getting fitter.
It’s just plain stupid to keep him away from the nrl squad given the job he needs to do, which is help develop some bloody enthusiasm for winning.
We have complained for a decade that the club sends all our on field leaders and potential leaders off to other clubs. Now when we finally get a quality leader some folks want to seperate him from the squad by playing for Magpies?
Geesh!
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If he needs the kms in his legs then running around with the reserve grade would work much better than training.
How do you know it's not about fitness?
 
If he doesn't play next week it becomes obvious that the club is selling bullshit and he has an injury
 
How can it be that he hasn't "learned the plays" when we look so lost in attack with the current team. Surely bateman wouldn't be any worse
 
Lauren said:
The club are simply taking the appropriate steps/measures to ensure he's meeting the required levels of fitness, not only to ensure he's capable of performing at optimal levels but is also essential for injury prevention.
I trust people more knowledgeable in Sport Science know what's best for him.

We've really only been able to monitor it for the past two weeks, as otherwise the tailored training methods he's been doing in the background does little for factors like fatigue and motor skills or whatnot.
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The guy is a professional and played in the World Cup.
There’s no way he is too underdone to give us 25 minutes.
If he is, then heads should roll for the management of him whilst he was stuck in the old dart.
 
Tucker said:
The guy is a professional and played in the World Cup.
There’s no way he is too underdone to give us 25 minutes.
If he is, then heads should roll for the management of him whilst he was stuck in the old dart.
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Sorry I'm talking about following procedures, it's what everyone professional sporting organisation would do, I assume.
Performance parameters need to be tested to ensure he's regained full strength and fitness, regardless of his WCC appearance.
 
Tucker said:
The guy is a professional and played in the World Cup.
There’s no way he is too underdone to give us 25 minutes.
If he is, then heads should roll for the management of him whilst he was stuck in the old dart.
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Yep...the club is full of it, sadly.

Bateman is a seasoned vet...coming off a world cup...played multiple finals...played a GF...and been in Aus almost three weeks...

But he is too much "risk" for 25 mins...but you can throw in a 19 yo kid on debut, who is still two years away physically.

Just be honest and say he has an injury.

Stop all the "we have him four years, I don't care about four weeks" crap also...we may be 0-4.

Same crap Sheens has spun re Jacko leaving...Sheens has already changed both stories 2 or 3 times.
 
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