I think the issue is Sheens

[mtd#2]

Let's take emotion out of this and look at it for what it is.

In 2005, the whole squad was pretty much in the form of their lives. We could do no wrong. In 2011 preliminary final, we threw the game away vs St George when Benji kicked it out on the full in the last 10 minutes. So, 1 Grand Final win and 1 finals appearance.

Here we are in 2023 with Sheens back at the helm and have lost 2 from 2.

We have a forward pack that should be causing problems, but aren't.
Our outside backs are 'ok'.
Our playmakers aren't horrible by any means.

What are they being told to do? What is the strategy?
The Titans and Knights have read us like a book. We could attack a tryline for 20 sets straight and still not score.

I think Sheens's strategies are outdated and we are seeing the implications of this on the field. This is why we never made the finals more when he was coach first time around.

 

[earl]

Our playmakers aren't horrible by any means.

I'm not convinced by this statement. If we had quality playmakers in form we'd have won 2 games.

 

[tig_prmz]

He coached Kangaroos to a WC victory 8 or so years ago but he has been irrelevant in the NRL for 10+ years now.

He must have the record for most losses by a coach, surely?

 

[mikey]

I'm not convinced by this statement. If we had quality playmakers in form we'd have won 2 games.

I know post-Madge structure is a dirty word and 200 passes a day is in vogue but a game plan that our team can carry out would help. Off the cuff shite only works if you're Benji in 2005 - 2011.

 

[earl]

I know post-Madge structure is a dirty word and 200 passes a day is in vogue but a game plan that our team can carry out would help. Off the cuff shite only works if you're Benji in 2005 - 2011.

It's typical Sheens verbal diarrhea. We look really really poorly coached. Surely you have some plays to go to especially at the start of the season.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Did anyone watch the press conference, has he admitted to having no clue yet?

 

[old_man_tiger]

It's typical Sheens verbal diarrhea. We look really really poorly coached. Surely you have some plays to go to especially at the start of the season.

Here's a play "face the tryline, start running, catch the ball, run harder .... no David, wrong tryline!"

 

[jadtiger]

Did anyone watch the press conference, has he admitted to having no clue yet?

Sheens has never admitted to being wrong and he is not about to start now

 

[OzLuke]

I'm not convinced by this statement. If we had quality playmakers in form we'd have won 2 games.

If our players held on to the ball and ran hard forward we would've gone close too

 

[jadtiger]

Sheens certainly is not the only issue at the club but he is fast becoming one of the biggest ones.

 

[earl]

If our players held on to the ball and ran hard forward we would've gone close too

The mistakes are our biggest issue and Stef has been the biggest problem.

 

[Bring back Olaf Prattl]

Here's a play "face the tryline, start running, catch the ball, run harder .... no David, wrong tryline!"

🙃

 

[mtd#2]

He coached Kangaroos to a WC victory 8 or so years ago but he has been irrelevant in the NRL for 10+ years now.

He must have the record for most losses by a coach, surely?

to be fair, you could of put anyone as the coach of kangaroos and they'd of had an 80/20 shot at winning the World cup - back when he was coaching them anyway

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Our outside backs are 'ok'.
Our playmakers aren't horrible by any means.

Both overly generous statements.

 

[The_Patriot]

I'm not convinced by this statement. If we had quality playmakers in form we'd have won 2 games.

Ohhhh please. You've spammed the forum with your defence of Brooks but you want to blame it all on a kid with 30 something games.

Ten in the bin.

Have a good look at yourself.

 

[The_Patriot]

Get a hobby outside of NRL people. Gain some perspective

 

[SeanT]

Why isn't Benji under more scrutiny? He is the Attack coach isn't he? The whole team looks like they been brought together on the day with no prior training.

 

[Saturnalia]

People are suprised?

Does nobody remember the Fitzhenry era?

 

[Sco77y]

Let's take emotion out of this and look at it for what it is.

In 2005, the whole squad was pretty much in the form of their lives. We could do no wrong. In 2011 preliminary final, we threw the game away vs St George when Benji kicked it out on the full in the last 10 minutes. So, 1 Grand Final win and 1 finals appearance.

Here we are in 2023 with Sheens back at the helm and have lost 2 from 2.

We have a forward pack that should be causing problems, but aren't.
Our outside backs are 'ok'.
Our playmakers aren't horrible by any means.

What are they being told to do? What is the strategy?
The Titans and Knights have read us like a book. We could attack a tryline for 20 sets straight and still not score.

I think Sheens's strategies are outdated and we are seeing the implications of this on the field. This is why we never made the finals more when he was coach first time around.

I think it goes deeper than that, but he's certainly not helping the issue - you'd have to say without a doubt that the team looks poorly coached. They aren't working together as a team, and don't seem to have a clue what the next player is doing. In fact based off the first two games they look the most poorly coached that they ever have - and that's saying something.

I feel that Sheens highly overrates himself, does silly things (that he thinks are revolutionary), and is stubborn - persisting with strategies and decisions that clearly aren't working (so that he can prove everyone wrong? I don't know).

I think the general culture - from top to bottom needs a readjustment, and it has a bigger effect on playing performance than they think, as it infiltrates all areas of the organisation including the playing group, recruitment and everything in between.

 

[jadtiger]

People are suprised?

Does nobody remember the Fitzhenry era?

Yes that was just before the Johnnie Cronk era