Isaiah Papali’i #265

[Telltails]

It's a penalty every day of the week. That isn't effort. It's dumb. It lost us the game in the last minute or so.

He was attempting a charge down of course it was effort play with minutes to go and the best kicker on the park about to equalize.

 

[earl]

He was attempting a charge down of course it was effort play with minutes to go and the best kicker on the park about to equalize.

Are you saying that IP didn't know that rule ? You can charge down but you cannot touch the kicker. He had to have known that right ?

If you do a head high tackle is that an effort play ?

We'll have to agree to disagree with the comment that he was penalized for that play and we lost the game off that kick in the last minute.

 

[Telltails]

Are you saying that IP didn't know that rule ? You can charge down but you cannot touch the kicker. He had to have known that right ?

If you do a head high tackle is that an effort play ?

We'll have to agree to disagree with the comment that he was penalized for that play and we lost the game off that kick in the last minute.

The momentum of the dive caused him to make contact with kicker. Plenty of effort plays go wrong it's a contract sport it's got nothing to do with knowing the rules. He tried to put off the kicker the easy option for any thing is to do nothing.

 

[KingRobbie]

Are you saying that IP didn't know that rule ? You can charge down but you cannot touch the kicker. He had to have known that right ?

If you do a head high tackle is that an effort play ?

We'll have to agree to disagree with the comment that he was penalized for that play and we lost the game off that kick in the last minute.

It was definitely an effort play.

It unfortunately went wrong but he was diving to block the kick.

It's a cruel game sometimes.

 

[Todd Packer]

He's an NRL player, he should be able to make intelligent decisions.
Diving at a kicker's legs can only end one way.
He could've made the same effort play keeping his feet with his arms up.
There's no excuse for dumb.

 

[tiger_one]

It was definitely an effort play.

It unfortunately went wrong but he was diving to block the kick.

It's a cruel game sometimes.

Nothing shows it up (sadly) like this and only the sliding follow-through caused the problem:

 

[KingRobbie]

He's an NRL player, he should be able to make intelligent decisions.
Diving at a kicker's legs can only end one way.
He could've made the same effort play keeping his feet with his arms up.
There's no excuse for dumb.

No he couldn’t, watch it back.

He wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near the ball if he didn’t dive like that.

It’s just unfortunate, it’s a game of inches.

Definitely a penalty.

 

[Speed2burn]

Not sure why he had to dive, it was never going to get him there faster…. Just running straight into him would have pressured the kicker all the same

Disappointing end to the game

 

[tiger_one]

Not sure why he had to dive, it was never going to get him there faster…. Just running straight into him would have pressured the kicker all the same

Disappointing end to the game

I think it's called physics.
Just momentum following his attempt to block the kick.
Dead set unlucky, on every count.

 

[Todd Packer]

We were in front, the worst result was that they tie the score and we're still in it, so the priority should've been no penalties.
I'm still pissed. Now I have to punt angry all day.

 

[Speed2burn]

I think it's called physics.
Just momentum following his attempt to block the kick.
Dead set unlucky, on every count.

Gotta give yourself the best chance of not drawing a penalty.

At worst he kicks the field goal and we go into extra time. I felt like we were on top in that period and probably go on to win..at best he misses the field goal and we win in normal time

diving in that situation is only ever going to end badly, but I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing lol

 

[tiger_one]

We were in front, the worst result was that they tie the score and we're still in it, so the priority should've been no penalties.
I'm still pissed. Now I have to punt angry all day.

Best of luck on the punt, but remember, gamble responsibly.

 

[tony soprano]

He not doing much in attack

 

[Speed2burn]

He not doing much in attack

Because he does a lot of the ugly stuff. Takes tough carries, kick pressure, a lot of it goes unnoticed. Dangerous player close to the line too

He’s not far off his parra form but in a lesser team imo

 

[Fainu Brothers]

It's a penalty every day of the week. That isn't effort. It's dumb. It lost us the game in the last minute or so.

You don’t understand the game if that is not an effort play to try charge down a drop goal. So he was suppose to just stay back and let him kick it?

 

[earl]

You don’t understand the game if that is not an effort play to try charge down a drop goal. So he was suppose to just stay back and let him kick it?

He was supposed to put pressure on the kicker without making contact. That is the rules. You can't make a poor play into a good one by stating the effort was good.

 

[The Chad]

Bad penalty to give.

That said, Ice has been ramping up these last few weeks. His play is very good.

 

[jirskyr]

He was supposed to put pressure on the kicker without making contact. That is the rules. You can't make a poor play into a good one by stating the effort was good.

I don't agree, from where IP was standing, he was unfortunate to make very incidental contact with the legs. There is an argument that he "should not have bothered" diving from such a distance, because Fogarty got the kick away anyway, but I would never criticise a player who instinctively puts his body on the line at crucial moments.

The idea that he should have stayed on his feet is a joke - he never would have got near the ball without diving, the Raiders made a pretty good setup play. So it was either dive or not be part of the play at all.

As it was, Fogarty missed, so the kick pressure did have an effect. Without that pressure, it's possible Fogarty slots the FG and we play on.

It's only bad luck that he follows through on the feet. It's not careless or reckless and he won't get punished by match review, so that only leaves bad luck.

 

[supercoach]

He was supposed to put pressure on the kicker without making contact. That is the rules. You can't make a poor play into a good one by stating the effort was good.

The rule was introduced to stop players cannon balling kickers in the legs when they were kicking or just completed a kick. Yes, technically Ice had broken the rule, but a little bit of common sense could be used by the refs. Ice hit the ground way before making contact with the kicker and the contact was a result of bouncing off the ground. There was zero intent, but I guess you just can't give blokes like Sutton a excuse to blow the whistle

 

[weststigers]

The rule was introduced to stop players cannon balling kickers in the legs when they were kicking or just completed a kick. Yes, technically Ice had broken the rule, but a little bit of common sense could be used by the refs. Ice hit the ground way before making contact with the kicker and the contact was a result of bouncing off the ground. There was zero intent, but I guess you just can't give blokes like Sutton a excuse to blow the whistle

You nailed it when you said you can’t give the refs an excuse to blow the whistle.

But the rule is the rule. It’s a bit like the accidental high shot. If it comes off the shoulder and into the chin, there was no intent, but we accept that the tackle ended up hitting the guy in the head, so a penalty is awarded.

I don’t think this situation is any different. Intentionally or unintentionally, the rule was broken.

There are far more blatant referee issues from Friday night than that call. We just focus on it because it was so close to the end and decided the game.