Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Wildcat777 said:
So what you are saying crap players make better coaches? In that case we have lots of great future coaches who have played for WT in the last few years! On that basis can almost confirm that coaching may not the issue for WT.
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No, I think what he’s saying is that star players don’t make star coaches. If you review the results over a long period of time, in the modern era, you will see that many of the highly rated coaches were pretty ordinary footballers, with a few exceptions.
Gibson, Ryan, Bennett, Bellamy, Cleary, Smith, Robinson etc , all moderate players at best.
 
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Wildcat777 said:
So what you are saying crap players make better coaches? In that case we have lots of great future coaches who have played for WT in the last few years! On that basis can almost confirm that coaching may not the issue for WT.
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The bottom line is we are at the stage where getting a decent review from any media outlets is near impossible and recruiting good players is very difficult based on our current reputation.
Having Braith in our corner and someone like Cooper Cronk on our coaching staff on a part time basis would go along way towards helping remove these road blocks, due to their influence in the game.
 
Halbrowne61 said:
No, I think what he’s saying is that star players don’t make star coaches. If you review the results over a long period of time, in the modern era, you will see that many of the highly rated coaches were pretty ordinary footballers, with a few exceptions.
Gibson, Ryan, Bennett, Bellamy, Cleary, Smith, Robinson etc , all moderate players at best.
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Np I understood the first time, I was being cheeky!! And yes I agree!
 
a_dog said:
When looking at the market for next year there is not much there.

When you look at what we have coming through there is a lot.

Unless you can sign someone who is going to do a better job than someone we have playing lower grades, why bother?

We have Latu Fainu and Lachlan Galvin. They were the City under 18s halves combo. Galvin was Aus Schoolboys 6 and CHS player of the carnival and Latu the same last year. They are the best two young halves in the country.

We have Luke Laulili'i and Josh Feledy. Feledy is probably ready to be blooded right now to play centre. He has a ready made combo with Fainu. Laulili'i is a To'o clone and will debut young.

That's to say nothing of the likes of Chris Fa'agutu, Kit Laulili'i, Sam Fainu and Jordan Miller who give us next man up forwards for days.

I don't care about us not signing some offcuts from a club who doesn't want them. And marquee signings don't come around too much. Every year maybe 2 or 3 international quality players move clubs. The rest just extend and stay put. The free agent market is for filling out your depth and for identifying talent at other clubs that's blocked for opportunity that you can develop.

The thing is we have more than enough talent in our pathways to fill out our depth, or take first grade spots and force our current first graders to be what they should be, depth. And the best young talent that's ready to play first grade at positions of need we have more than enough of!
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We are super heavy Polynesian and heading more that way. No outlandish claims here but they are traditionally explosive athletes, do we need to balance our squad better?
 
earl said:
Hastings has his moments. I don't dislike him. It's not about playing one good game or a couple of good games. It's about consistency.

Doueihi for instance has had some games when I've thought he would be a star but he has those games one in every 20.

On Hastings my concern when we let him go was that he had a foot injury with us and once that was fixed his kicking game including goal kicking would improve considerably. That hasn't happened this year. His kicking game is average.

When it comes to Brooks my concern is that he is at the backend of his career and he may start finding some consistent form. He won't ever be great but as a secondary half I'm worried he is going to be really good.

Let's wait and see what happens.
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I agree Brooks could kick on and become a good half but, I don’t think its possible if he stayed with us.
we both needed the change
 
Tomatosoup912 said:
Cheers mate appreciate the feedback.

Everytime I have replied, it was in response to someone who implied corrections to the perspective I provided. I like posting with support for my perspective.

I have followed this forum forever and have just reached a level if frustration with the pure false garbage opinions that are contributing to the never ending negativity surrounding the club we love. I reached a point where I had enough and thought I'd share my perspective which is usually informed with statistics because it's an area of interest.

Once again thanks for the feedback. In turn please take some from me. I find it ironic that I'm getting told I'm obnoxious by a bloke whose comment history is full of a number of shitfights, swearing at blokes who disagree and asking a bloke who disagreed with you if he had a mental illness. But enjoy the moral superiority mate, it's suits you.
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Mate- you come across as if something is wrong with you.

Yesterday I made a simple point that Stef needs to improve in relation to his consistency. It had nothing to do with the spiel you went on and are on about now. Nothing. You ranted and didn't make any sense. Just because you use data/statistics and can produce a heat map it doesn't mean you've made a rational argument.

Let's now talk about your statistics. I think you are providing very simple statistics that do not provide enough information to make informed decisions. If you really want to do this smartly I suggest another thread where you detail the location of the data that you are using and we can start analyzing the data and metrics that are available. I can do it no problems.

Show us the data. Some us your metrics.
 
earl said:
Mate- you come across as if something is wrong with you.

Yesterday I made a simple point that Stef needs to improve in relation to his consistency. It had nothing to do with the spiel you went on and are on about now. Nothing. You ranted and didn't make any sense. Just because you use data/statistics and can produce a heat map it doesn't mean you've made a rational argument.

Let's now talk about your statistics. I think you are providing very simple statistics that do not provide enough information to make informed decisions. If you really want to do this smartly I suggest another thread where you detail the location of the data that you are using and we can start analyzing the data and metrics that are available. I can do it no problems.

Show us the data. Some us your metrics.
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“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
 
dazza65 said:
“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
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It's not so simple. Years ago I came up with a trading system. That thing was going to make me millions. I had the right indicators on when to pull the trigger and it was profitable. I made zero. Not a cent.

I was mentored by a guy who has made millions upon millions via discretionary trading for big banks and one of the richest people in Australia (at that point maybe the richest). He manged huge accounts. He was at one point paid to set up an automated trading account by some rich dudes. They must have given him a programmer and his job was to tell the programmer when to make money. You want to know how well that system went - it made zip/zilch. It was a failure.

It's not the data that is wrong. It's the arrogant belief that the data is perfect and can provide perfect insights.

I loved the data around COVID because I've never seen a better data-set. It was awesome. I'm pretty confident we don't have the same quality data when it comes to NRL games but I'd love to be proven wrong.
 
This is the quote from the article, try reading please.

“I spoke to someone involved in recruitment at the Wests Tigers this afternoon and to me it sounded like they’ve got him, they’ve got Bud Sullivan,” Anasta said.

“They’ve had players in the past too,” Riccio hit back sarcastically.

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“There’s no doubt about that, but they were very confident, I’m just telling you what I heard,” Anasta said.

“Looks the Tigers are definitely still front runners but it’s interesting the Knights still want to meet with him. I did ask if the Cogger deal would have any impact on meeting Sullivan and the answer was no they said they still want to meet him,” Riccio responded.
 
earl said:
It's not so simple. Years ago I came up with a trading system. That thing was going to make me millions. I had the right indicators on when to pull the trigger and it was profitable. I made zero. Not a cent.

I was mentored by a guy who has made millions upon millions via discretionary trading for big banks and one of the richest people in Australia (at that point maybe the richest). He manged huge accounts. He was at one point paid to set up an automated trading account by some rich dudes. They must have given him a programmer and his job was to tell the programmer when to make money. You want to know how well that system went - it made zip/zilch. It was a failure.

It's not the data that is wrong. It's the arrogant belief that the data is perfect and can provide perfect insights.

I loved the data around COVID because I've never seen a better data-set. It was awesome. I'm pretty confident we don't have the same quality data when it comes to NRL games but I'd love to be proven wrong.
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I tend to agree. i think that just because something it is an exquisite data set it still isn’t inherently correct 100% of the time like some people tend to think. It diminishing or approaching zero (or 100 whatever makes sense)
Another couple of quotes I like

“If You Torture the Data Long Enough, It Will Confess”

“Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable”
 
Halbrowne61 said:
No, I think what he’s saying is that star players don’t make star coaches. If you review the results over a long period of time, in the modern era, you will see that many of the highly rated coaches were pretty ordinary footballers, with a few exceptions.
Gibson, Ryan, Bennett, Bellamy, Cleary, Smith, Robinson etc , all moderate players at best.
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There’s an old simple saying. Those that can’t do teach.
Benji was one of the most unique footballers in the game recently and probably in history of the game.
He does stress that everything he did on the field had a structure around it and was supported by coaching still. There are only a handful of individuals that can pull off what he can do and a lot of it came down to his own athletic ability and instincts.

I guess the question is, can he pair it back and tailor his coaching to the individual and team and their skills
 
Needaname said:
There’s an old simple saying. Those that can’t do teach.
Benji was one of the most unique footballers in the game recently and probably in history of the game.
He does stress that everything he did on the field had a structure around it and was supported by coaching still. There are only a handful of individuals that can pull off what he can do and a lot of it came down to his own athletic ability and instincts.

I guess the question is, can he pair it back and tailor his coaching to the individual and team and their skills
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It’s a big call, I hope for our sake he can but I have this nagging doubt . As I always say
“ only time will tell”.
 
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