Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Wildcat777]

Tele reporting Sullivan is now signed, sealed and delivered. No idea if that figure is accurate or not but the money isn’t huge for a 6 or 7 so we roll.View attachment 6138

Bargin if true!

 

[earl]

lol. ok. you're supposed to know before signing them for 4 years. You have to make an assumption on what you think. that's why most commentators say that sullivan is not a controlling 7. if you just want to wait and see that's fine... but any club needs to make an assumption before they make a long term signing... and my assumption is based on what i have seen, heard, etc that he is not a 7. so even on the off chance he magically turns into one... you are taking a risk that is lower than the probability of what he looks and feels like today.

which is classic tigers.... take the lowest probability option and hope. lol.

I don't care about the controlling half which makes your point irrelevant to me. We are going to find out over the next couple of years how this turns out.

Personally I would have preferred a shorter contract length but that contract is not going to kill us so let's see how they go.

 

[Spartan117]

Watching Broncos and Newcastle win today both teams had standout performances from their halfbacks Madden and Hastings which are two of our many discards
Question ? Is Sullivan demonstrably better than either of them . Pretty sure Madden wouldn't have cost $2.2 mill to keep !

Madden is Solid, Improving. He will be benefiting from playing with Adam Reynolds.

He wants the ball and is a hell of a competitor. What this space...

 

[Spartan117]

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I know many get frustrated when we see clubs like the dogs signing player after player, and we can seem quiet.

I’d rather quality signings over quantity. As you can see with many of the dogs signings moved on, they weren’t the right fit.

We have been guilty in the past of overreacting. I am more comfortable with the strategic approach. Players always fall out of other clubs, players will become available. I’d rather make sure we make the right decision, for the short and long term, rather than overreact, and tie our hands for any future movements.

I Respect this,

The Dogs are weeding out players that are not Hard Trainers. That's how you build a culture of excellence.

 

[tony soprano]

I Respect this,

The Dogs are weeding out players that are not Hard Trainers. That's how you build a culture of excellence.

Why'd they sign them in the first place?

 

[Telltails]

Hastings is shit . I can’t believe people still go on about him . Controlling half ? Wtf does that mean if the attack offers nothing , and , our half (Hastings) can’t kick the ball 40m . He has zero power , much like Wakeham . Touching the ball 100 times a game and pissing off everyone around you isn’t controlling a game.
The knights are winning despite Hastings not because of him . Hence the cogger signing , and chasing Sullivan.
Even if Hastings stayed here he wasn’t playing half . And there’s only 1 club in the nrl that was playing him as a half , and even they now have had second thoughts .
And this whole idea that I’d Hastings was here we would have won more games is garbage as well . He has no running game , he is beaten easily on the outside defensively , and he can’t kick the ball for power .
When people say controlling half what they really mean is a half who takes the right option more often than not .
With brooks the issue is , he’d make a half chance or line break , panic and do something stupid .
With Hastings he doesn’t offer anything . He’s not making half chances . He’s passing it along for others too . Sure that’s cool when you have best , Fitzgibbon (highly underrated) and Ponga . This year maybe we had Bula who has that confidence . Seriously , hunt , DCE , sure this is a legit convo . But Hastings ? Please …
Oh and finally look . Hes on the nose AGAIN with his teammates . What’s that ? Roosters , manly , Wigan , tigers , knights …… football is a team sport .

Newcastle havnt played this well since Pearce left. You can bag Hastings all you want but he is what Newcastle needed and the results support it.

 

[supercoach]

People bagging the club for their lack of negotiating skills, when you’re coming stone motherless last you’re not in a strong negotiating position. Basically the player agents hold all the aces, I guess the only thing we have is cap space, so the agents know they can keep pushing and pushing

 

[tony soprano]

Newcastle havnt played this well since Pearce left. You can bag Hastings all you want but he is what Newcastle needed and the results support it.

Is it a 1 man team?

 

[tony soprano]

People bagging the club for their lack of negotiating skills, when you’re coming stone motherless last you’re not in a strong negotiating position. Basically the player agents hold all the aces, I guess the only thing we have is cap space, so the agents know they can keep pushing and pushing

Yep, that's why we need to give the keys to fulton. Without his relationship with players and player management our recruitment would be much worse.

 

[Lestronge]

lol.

knights are in the 8. we are last. the two best games we played and won last year he was 7. souths and parra.

knights have struggled to have a solid 7 who can unleash their potential.

you can think what you want, but results speak for themselves.

i wont argue with you because we assess things differently.

The broncos won the comp with Shane Perry …… I literally explained why . There’s a reason they are looking for halves . And it’s not to pair with Hastings .
Even when we played them I barely knew he was on the field . No Ponga and we win that game for sure .
I can’t believe you’re even arguing this . By your logic you might as well not even watch footy and judge everyone by the stats sheet on Monday .
And how many did we win with him last year ? Not many … because he’s another Shane perry . Just there to do a job and not much else .

 

[Telltails]

Is it a 1 man team?

No team is. But combinations have to gel. It's working for Newcastle. They are a much improved team this year and Hastings is in a key position and doing his bit.

 

[magpies forever]

We already know how we perform surely.

Not me. I'll wait and see how they perform prior to making that judgement.

 

[Lestronge]

No team is. But combinations have to gel. It's working for Newcastle. They are a much improved team this year and Hastings is in a key position and doing his bit.

Why are they looking for new halves then ? He’s opening space up for Ponga . Yep , agree . But what I’m saying is he wouldn’t have done anything to change our results around . Because we don’t have a Ponga . Not yet anyway . We just signed one a couple months ago , and have a couple more in the lower grades.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

No team is. But combinations have to gel. It's working for Newcastle. They are a much improved team this year and Hastings is in a key position and doing his bit.

I think ponga not making origin is a kick up the backside he needed aswell

 

[Tiger-ferret]

Hastings is shit . I can’t believe people still go on about him . Controlling half ? Wtf does that mean if the attack offers nothing , and , our half (Hastings) can’t kick the ball 40m . He has zero power , much like Wakeham . Touching the ball 100 times a game and pissing off everyone around you isn’t controlling a game.
The knights are winning despite Hastings not because of him . Hence the cogger signing , and chasing Sullivan.
Even if Hastings stayed here he wasn’t playing half . And there’s only 1 club in the nrl that was playing him as a half , and even they now have had second thoughts .
And this whole idea that I’d Hastings was here we would have won more games is garbage as well . He has no running game , he is beaten easily on the outside defensively , and he can’t kick the ball for power .
When people say controlling half what they really mean is a half who takes the right option more often than not .
With brooks the issue is , he’d make a half chance or line break , panic and do something stupid .
With Hastings he doesn’t offer anything . He’s not making half chances . He’s passing it along for others too . Sure that’s cool when you have best , Fitzgibbon (highly underrated) and Ponga . This year maybe we had Bula who has that confidence . Seriously , hunt , DCE , sure this is a legit convo . But Hastings ? Please …
Oh and finally look . Hes on the nose AGAIN with his teammates . What’s that ? Roosters , manly , Wigan , tigers , knights …… football is a team sport .

Not sure if you wanted my opinion but I’ll put it out there anyway. ☺️

He’s not completely poo. If hastings stayed he would have been our first picked half for alot of this season given our injuries and lack of depth. Personally I think we would have avoided the spoon with him.

His reputation personality wise certainly precedes him.

 

[Telltails]

Why are they looking for new halves then ? He’s opening space up for Ponga . Yep , agree . But what I’m saying is he wouldn’t have done anything to change our results around . Because we don’t have a Ponga . Not yet anyway . We just signed one a couple months ago , and have a couple more in the lower grades.

Because every team needs depth in the halves. Cogger plays a similar game to Hastings and is an ex Newcastle player. If Hastings get injured or his forms drops he is an adequate option. It's a smart recruitment.

 

[Fallen Angel]

lol.

knights are in the 8. we are last. the two best games we played and won last year he was 7. souths and parra.

knights have struggled to have a solid 7 who can unleash their potential.

you can think what you want, but results speak for themselves.

i wont argue with you because we assess things differently.

Anyone with half a brain knows the one player who’s carrying that team. It ain’t the 7

 

[tony soprano]

No team is. But combinations have to gel. It's working for Newcastle. They are a much improved team this year and Hastings is in a key position and doing his bit.

Just find it odd you single out Hastings.

 

[earl]

Because we don’t have a Ponga . Not yet anyway . We just signed one a couple months ago , and have a couple more in the lower grades.

I agree with your point on Hastings. I don't get the obsession with him. He has left and to me it's a non-issue. Someone questioned me about why we are talking about him the other day and I stopped. I don't know why the topic keeps coming up. I keep waiting to watch him play a good game and it keeps not happening. Gamble looked to me like much more of a threat than Hastings yesterday. We should be talking about letting him go. Why did we let Gamble go ? He is killing it. Anyone interested ?

I am though interested in your comments about players coming through. Fainu is the most highly rated junior player to come through in years. Bula, Pole, Kit Laulilii, Stef, Matamua, Faagutu, TDS and others all have big wraps and a couple of them are doing well in first grade. Stef was picked for origin this year.

These are the guys that are going to bring us forward. I think we'll see a lot of changes in our squad over the next 5 years or so. The question is can we develop a team that wins some games.

 

[jirskyr]

When I was told tartak was upset that the tigers weren’t taking schuster and threatened to pull the Fainus he told me that he was also concerned with sending sullivan here …

Meaning he was already taking about it

Then I told Lee and Justin this

And now we have sullivan on 4 years lol at full freight

I imagine that Lee and Justin and Fulton did whatever they could to get the Fainus and promised tartak go to take sullivan and bc tartak delivered the Fainus then sullivan gets a pretty good contract

That’s just how the world works unfortunately when you have management that can’t negotiate if their lives depended.

Look at flanno on the other hand - who knows how to build a roster bc he is a very good and strong negotiator… immediately shuts down Hunt leaving even tho he’s gone public … and then really wants to get rid of sullivan but tells the tigers he won’t chip in … so we cave and pay him full freight. That ladies and gents would never happen with our club as we’ve seen over the years. When we want to get rid of a player or they want to go we always get screwed and we want a player we always pay overs and give them 1 more year than they’re worth …

Look at klemmer - 4 years! When the knights weren’t going to renew him. And to coin.

Adam douehi - 4 years when south’s told him to look elsewhere

We are known - as tartak told me - as a soft club when it comes to negotiating.

We’re an easy target.

That’s just the way it is.

Btw I love the club it just annoys me how dumb mangament are and how much they get played by agents and other clubs.

Justin in a nice guy but not a killer

And Lee just shits the bed bc he’s worried about his public profile and wants to do this aggressive recruitment thing and needs recruits now or he’ll look stupid

Look at how lee negotiated Noffa deal… 5 years and top coin.. yes he was in demand then but normally local juniors take less to stay at a club they love. For us Lee got bent over bc he has no idea about negotiating with players … it’s more about his ego and getting someone to sign.

Same as Justin right now

Both Lee and Justin and even benji are desperate for a good story bc we are getting another spoon

These signings are a lot about trying ti give us fans hope to suppress us so we don’t rally against them

Trust me.

Sullivan was worth 2 years with a club option or at a stretch 3 years but on less money.

We had Hastings as a controlling half, sheens choose brooks instead who he said was “a number 7”… and then after losing 7 games says “we need a controlling half”… why didn’t he say at the start of the year we need a controlling half? Bc he couldn’t see what all of us could - that brooks was not a controlling 7.

I only bring that up bc now that we don’t have hastings who was a controlling half - we go to market and are desperate and pay overs …

If anyone on here has watched the tigers since inception in 2000 or 2001 whatever it was … knows that we only made the finals when we had a controlling 7 and then a flashy 6. Fainu and sullivan are flashy 6s. My issue is that benji knows Sezer is a one year player two at most meaning he thinks fainu and sullivan will partner in the halves.

I’m just over the dumb thinking and bad negotiating bc we get stuck in a cycle particularly when we sign players up to 4 year deals.

I put money on it that we end up paying for sullivan to go elsewhere after 2 years or we don’t make the finals with sullivan as 7.

Yawn 🥱