Sheens sacking, right decision

[Tucker]

Does anyone know, what’s going on? Who is making these manpower planning decisions? Are the ideas born in Pascoe’s head, who then sells it to the rest of the board? (my favourite) . Or are they the result of vigorous discussion by the rest of the board who instruct Pascoe to execute the plan they have hatched?
And what part does Hagipantelis play?

Lee said in his interview last month, the board make the decisions.
They are a bunch of hospitality focused business people and the Wests Tigers Football Club are just one of their concerns…most likely the least. Lee is chairman and therefore the voice of the board and the conduit between it and the the Football Club administration I.e. Pascoe.

Obviously I can’t quantify this but from a lot of experience with these setups which involve an umbrella organisation overseeing various interests, it would go something like this:
Pascoe receives direct reports from his managers within the club on all matters from finance, to HR, to sponsorship and fan experiences to the football department. When issues arise, he takes advice from his subject matter experts, formulates some suggested solutions, and takes them to the board (Lee), for more discussion. Lee presents the issues with possible mitigation strategies to the board and they formulate and vote on a direct line of action. Lee then instructs Pascoe on how he is to proceed and he disseminates this strategy/decision to his affected managers, who then action it.

We can continue sacking coaches and line managers until our dicks catch fire and nothing will change. They aren’t the decision makers.

 

[matchball]

The more sackings the better. Shows our boards incompetence everytime and I enjoy that.

 

[Furious1]

Hiring Sheens. It's hard to say. Maybe he did help with pathways. Maybe he exposed some areas that needed changed. Maybe he was required to bring back Benji and the boys.

Getting rid of Hastings. I think it was the right decision. He looks pretty ordinary in Newcastle. The issue was that he had an ankle injury last season and was that impacting his kicking game because his kicking game is ordinary. His kicking game is still ordinary and he doesn't threaten with the ball. Our halves this season and next season were either just as good or better. Hastings and Wakeham are pretty similar players but Wakeham has better goal kicking.

Nofo was the clear cut wrong decision. I don't get why they offered him so much at the backend of his career especially when his fault (a lack of pace) is a big problem in our backline.

Sorry earl, those two players are not in the same ballpark. The only thing Wakeham can do is goal kick. I'm not as fussed about Hastings as others, but Hastings easily covers Wakeham as a player. Any club that plays Wakeham in first grade ever again deserves to come last.

 

[Papacito]

I'm still struggling to understand how squeezing out a very experienced coach and replacing him with somebody who has never coached is anything other than crazy.

 

[Tom Shines]

I'm still struggling to understand how squeezing out a very experienced coach and replacing him with somebody who has never coached is anything other than crazy.

A look at the Premiership table may help..

Sheens said Benji is ready … should we doubt him?

 

[earl]

I'm still struggling to understand how squeezing out a very experienced coach and replacing him with somebody who has never coached is anything other than crazy.

Sheens is old. Age has an effect on your brain and your body. Sure some people might retain everything and be able to handle these situations well but it'd be rare.

 

[jadtiger]

A look at the Premiership table may help..

Sheens said Benji is ready … should we doubt him?

I have only read Lee claiming that Sheens said that Benji was ready,my complete distrust of anything Lee claims leaves me very suspicious of the accuracy of the statement

 

[Tom Shines]

I have only read Lee claiming that Sheens said that Benji was ready,my complete distrust of anything Lee claims leaves me very suspicious of the accuracy of the statement

Benji said it as well..”I am humbled by Tims endorsement as the future and long term coach of the Wests Tigers”

 

[twentyforty]

Lee said in his interview last month, the board make the decisions.
They are a bunch of hospitality focused business people and the Wests Tigers Football Club are just one of their concerns…most likely the least. Lee is chairman and therefore the voice of the board and the conduit between it and the the Football Club administration I.e. Pascoe.

Obviously I can’t quantify this but from a lot of experience with these setups which involve an umbrella organisation overseeing various interests, it would go something like this:
Pascoe receives direct reports from his managers within the club on all matters from finance, to HR, to sponsorship and fan experiences to the football department. When issues arise, he takes advice from his subject matter experts, formulates some suggested solutions, and takes them to the board (Lee), for more discussion. Lee presents the issues with possible mitigation strategies to the board and they formulate and vote on a direct line of action. Lee then instructs Pascoe on how he is to proceed and he disseminates this strategy/decision to his affected managers, who then action it.

We can continue sacking coaches and line managers until our dicks catch fire and nothing will change. They aren’t the decision makers.

Rightly or wrongly, I’m getting this idea that Pascoe and Hagipantelis are doing their own thing, running amok. While the other board members are busy with more pressing matters?
I can see them signing off on anything presented by Lee, as long as it doesn’t come back to bite them?

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

regardless of your opinion of Hastings ability which I do not share.. I don’t see how anyone can argue that moving on Hastings and exposing the lack of depth which resulted in having to play Wakeham is anything other than a disaster …

I’ll tell you who is liking Hastings … the Newcastle fans… but no … us bitter twats here celebrating a three win season and another spoon know better

Both Hastings and Wakeham were very bad decisions, too slow in the attack, with zero chance to fool any defender except Nofoaluma, and their long/short kicking game are awful at best.
Their defence was better then Nofoaluma's but all of them would lead the competition for the NRL's worst defenders.
Hastings and Wakeham were never the answer for our HB, they are with Brooks the worst HBs in the NRL. Somehow we managed to get all three!🤔😢

 

[jadtiger]

Benji said it as well..”I am humbled by Tims endorsement as the future and long term coach of the Wests Tigers”

Fair enough i did not see that

 

[Tucker]

Rightly or wrongly, I’m getting this idea that Pascoe and Hagipantelis are doing their own thing, running amok. While the other board members are busy with more pressing matters?
I can see them signing off on anything presented by Lee, as long as it doesn’t come back to bite them?

Yes I think that is certainly true.
If they had a 2 hour long board meeting, I’d suspect WT related agendas to make up a vast minority of their time. The board doesn’t really need to give a shit. Their focus is on the stakeholders of the licensed venues they operate. Lee and Pascoe look after the footy club. If things become too rancid, Pascoe will take the bullet. He must be nervous currently….

 

[Papacito]

A look at the Premiership table may help..

Sheens said Benji is ready … should we doubt him?

Of course we should. Even if Benji is "ready" that does not mean he's the best man for the job.

 

[Papacito]

Sheens is old. Age has an effect on your brain and your body. Sure some people might retain everything and be able to handle these situations well but it'd be rare.

Wayne Bennett is older.

 

[hank37w]

I have only read Lee claiming that Sheens said that Benji was ready,my complete distrust of anything Lee claims leaves me very suspicious of the accuracy of the statement

Sheens is on record as saying that Benji was ready.

Whether he was saying that to expedite an early exit for himself so he can go back to England and do the travelling that he has on his bucket list.

He should never have left his original role which is what I believe that he was most suited to these days.

To act on a suggestion to take on the coaching role originally brought up by a drunken old buzzard like Rothfield at a dinner at Grappa is the height of insanity and as far as Inspector Gadget's claim that there were 16 or 17 applicants for the coaching position could only be true if they were hoax applications that came from Wests Tigers forum members looking to have a bit of a laugh.

YES, like you, I trust very little that comes out of the mouth of our chairman.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Sheens is old. Age has an effect on your brain and your body. Sure some people might retain everything and be able to handle these situations well but it'd be rare.

Not true especially at his age and certainly not rare at his age.

Business leaders especially in the USA, professors, scientists political leaders etc.

Probably in the end for him he had certain character traits that were unsuited to most aspects minus pathways in our situation like a lack of flexibility that caused the problems.

Also was unfortunate that had Api and Brooks down preseason and Bateman late and lost AD early and when we started to hit a little form lost Api and Brooks same game.

Now a little form is returning with team stability but we're getting to play top of the table teams away and getting duded.

A look back at his career shows his finely tuned but inflexible game plans are suited to settled classy squads (Canberra early 88 to 95) or up and coming squads (WT 2005 to 2011 and Penrith 83 to 88). We were neither.

Shame he left the GM role for which he was entirely suited. The club in hindsight should have appointed Flanagan........we worry to much about niceties, with Sheens as GM.

Probably to stubborn but wish he reneged with leaving the GM role.

Would be useful.

 

[jirskyr]

He didn't get sacked...
He chose to walk away

He walked away... with a sack of money.

 

[Scare]

Never liked his appointment Madge was always the better choice we have gone backwards with sheens with a better side, I blame both spoons on sheens

 

[Tucker]

Sheens is old. Age has an effect on your brain and your body. Sure some people might retain everything and be able to handle these situations well but it'd be rare.

Joe Biden is far older and you have raved about him in the past.
What you’ve said is garbage.

 

[Curaeus]

WestsTigers must be truly unique. An organisation where the CEO is accountable, and responsible for absolutely nothing! Pascoe is the one constant through all of the disasters of the last several years. He simply has to go. There's a lot to do to fix our club but this at least shouldn't be too hard for the mental giants on our board.