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In fairness to Luai. How tough would it be playing for a club that is most likely to come last?

Mindset wise, that's a huge ask. Particularly as Penrith seems to be a very tight nit group.

Somehow Ricky kept spirits high as Cronulla was coming last. Anthony Tupou basically said he loved playing there. Benji may be doing something right as only Laurie really wanted to leave.
It was our halves that kept providing the wooden spoon. I wont mention names as no need to.
With a winning combo of halves firing, our forwards would see rewards for their efforts and perform to their max.
A couple of outside backs, in particular a class centre, can turn all that frustration into a top notch team.
I'm all for Luai and sick of all the negativity on his personality.
If he comes he knows what to expect from all the doomsdayers on this forum. And be ready to prove them wrong.
 
If this happens, it will be weird how we've spent 10 years with several robotic halfbacks like Brooks and John Morris, then suddenly we start 2024 with 3 legitimate livewires and perhaps a lack of a predictable player.

I do have concerns with Luai - I'm concerned he's not as good without Cleary and Panthers basically still closed out their third comp without him. I'm also concerned that his style of off-cuff play is very similar to Bud Sullivan; I keep wondering who is going to be our guy to control a close match via tactical kicking and reliably marshal the ball up-field.
 
I don't agree with this one either. They are professional footy players and they should have confidence in their ability. I can't see Luai stating he doesn't want the challenge along with a massive pay packet. The challenge should be something positive.
Their 18-35ish year olds who make a life out of playing footy.

Ok I would say that Luai may want a challenge and that's a positive attitude. I also say he is still a 20 something year old. That mentality is very hard to maintain and throwing 6 figures at someone and calling them a "professional" doesn't mean that mentality is present.

You have to build that.
 
His ability isn’t in question, it’s his personality. If the strongest club in the game can’t deal with him, what chance does our circus have?
Strongest in results, not the strongest in culture in my opinion.

A lot of long leashes at the foot of the mountains...
 
It seems that some on this thread have the wrong mail. Yes, it's true the club offered Simpkin as a swap for 2024 for Luai but it is not almost a done deal like some are saying. The most likely scenario is Luai staying at penrith still. Those rumours the other day about Benji meeting Luai are true but it doesn't mean he is about to put pen to paper. He is still negotiating with Penrith and this will most likely drag out until early 2024 so it's highly unlikely he's coming early. It was just a proposition put forward. Luai is just doing what every single player does that decides to test the market, some sign elsewhere, some stay put
 
I think Latrell just stated something dumb to explain away his position. I think he has a lot of pressure on him at Souths as well. Look at all the press last season.

I honestly think if they have the ability they'll be fine. The question is do they have the ability.
Yes he did state something dumb, but then he is always doing something dumb.

There was no need to state anything at all or he could of just said that he wanted to play with his indigenous mates, when he stated what he did I believe it was because there was a certain amount of truth and a genuine fear in what he said.

Of course there would have been a huge amount of pressure and expectation to perform coming to a struggling club like this, he's smart enough to know that.

If you are thinking that he has a lot of pressure on him at Souffs with the number of top line players he is surrounded by there, how much more pressure would he be under here and the press in this last season would be nothing compared to what he would get if he was here.

Of course Latrine has ability, but he didn't look real good at Souffs especially as the season progressed and the wheels really started falling off. Could only imagine what sort of a disaster it would have been if he was here.
 
Panthers have done ok at both culture and on field results. Luai won an NYC comp with a few of his mates there in 2015. If he was a renegade, don’t you think he wouldn’t have been with the club for 9 seasons?
I'm not talking cohesion when I say culture, I think that's undeniable, they're as tight a group as they come.

I'm talking about character types within the club and how they manifest. Whilst all clubs have their fair share, I don't think they've done the best job of containing or moulding some of the personalities within that side into something more akin to seasoned professionals.

Not all, by any stretch, moreso some. Tyrone May, Luai, Fisher-Harris, Salmon. All have carried a swagger and a combative attitude that has caused abrasion at some point. The 'thug-lite' attitudes out there are one stage were embarrassing. I think they tried more to corral these attitudes, rather than alter them.

When I say culture, that's all I'm referring to.
 
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I'm not talking cohesion when I say culture, I think that's undeniable, they're as tight a group as they come.

I'm talking about character types within the club and how they manifest. Whilst all clubs have their fair share, I don't think they've done the best job of containing or moulding some of the personalities within that side into something more akin to seasoned professionals.

Not all, by any stretch, moreso some. Tyrone May, Luai, Fisher-Harris, Salmon. All have carried a swagger and a combative attitude that has caused abrasion at some point. The 'thug-lite' attitudes out there are one stage were embarrassing. I think they tried more to corral these attitudes, rather than alter them.

When I say culture, that's all I'm referring to.
I know it is not your intention but putting Tyrone May with those other guys is a bit unfair to them. If anything, Nathan Cleary is best mates with that sex offender. Should say more about him than anyone else
 
I think Latrell just stated something dumb to explain away his position. I think he has a lot of pressure on him at Souths as well. Look at all the press last season.

I honestly think if they have the ability they'll be fine. The question is do they have the ability.

I'll go back to the NBA. Lots of players can be clutch but someone like Ben Simmons has an attitude problem that holds him back. There are very few Ben Simmons in the league. It's like the temperament to handle the pressure is common but the ability to not handle is very unusual.
I actually think Latrell was honest. I don't believe it was the only reason for him but I believe it played a part and that he knows that being wholly responsible for the direction of the team isn't his game. Luai however seems to believe that it is his game.
 
I know it is not your intention but putting Tyrone May with those other guys is a bit unfair to them. If anything, Nathan Cleary is best mates with that sex offender. Should say more about him than anyone else
I disagree.

They were just examples of varying magnitude of a culture failure; no comment of the congruent nature of their indiscretions.

Much like the spectrum of labelling someone a sex offender, particularly when he wasn't required to register. That term carries with it varying degrees of assumptions about the magnitude of the indiscretion. It would be silly to assume all acts committed were the same in depravity.

I do, however, have absolutely no interest in arguing a point that makes me, even if assumptively, seem to defend Tyrone May for ANYTHING.

Bloke is a degenerate.
 
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I'm not talking cohesion when I say culture, I think that's undeniable, they're as tight a group as they come.

I'm talking about character types within the club and how they manifest. Whilst all clubs have their fair share, I don't think they've done the best job of containing or moulding some of the personalities within that side into something more akin to seasoned professionals.

Not all, by any stretch, moreso some. Tyrone May, Luai, Fisher-Harris, Salmon. All have carried a swagger and a combative attitude that has caused abrasion at some point. The 'thug-lite' attitudes out there are one stage were embarrassing. I think they tried more to corral these attitudes, rather than alter them.

When I say culture, that's all I'm referring to.
What has Fisher-Harris done to be labelled amongst those guys?
 
I'm not talking cohesion when I say culture, I think that's undeniable, they're as tight a group as they come.

I'm talking about character types within the club and how they manifest. Whilst all clubs have their fair share, I don't think they've done the best job of containing or moulding some of the personalities within that side into something more akin to seasoned professionals.

Not all, by any stretch, moreso some. Tyrone May, Luai, Fisher-Harris, Salmon. All have carried a swagger and a combative attitude that has caused abrasion at some point. The 'thug-lite' attitudes out there are one stage were embarrassing. I think they tried more to corral these attitudes, rather than alter them.

When I say culture, that's all I'm referring to.
Yeh, I understood what you were referring to. I agree, there have been a few outbursts of emotion and some over the top goading of competitors particularly with the physical contact, that's not on.
Ali has always said he told us he was the greatest well before he actually was.
When you say "containing" or "moulding" personality or behaviour, I honestly think Cleary is afraid to do that and why would he want to? These guys are battlers who've come good in a very competitive environment. I think Cleary wants to let them take ownership of their choices concerning their behaviour and their personality traits are something he should never try to change. Just my opinion.
 
If that’s the case, he’s not going to suddenly become a nice humble guy at our club, especially coming off winning 3 premierships and potentially being the highest paid player in the game. His ego will be out of control. I wouldn’t be surprised if his personality prevents him from ever playing for NSW again. He’s always going to be dislikable, even if he does come here. It would be interesting to see how his personality copes at a struggling club. He’s just as likely to sulk and angle for a way out. As desperate as we are for a half, it would not be the worst thing in the world if he took another club’s money. I definitely won’t be upset about it.
Yes you’re right we don’t need an arrogant winner. It’s the last thing this club needs.
 
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