Why bother with a review??

Todd Packer said:
Mate you're too intelligent and make reasoned points as opposed to mob mentality, petition wielding, burnings at the stake.
You need to find somewhere else to post.
This place isn't for you.
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Damn.... the board members are going on a spin spree today.

No one wants to burn people at the stake. Our board members are probably good guys who mean well. But we can't have different standards for our team to our board room.

How do you think that filters through an organization just purely from a cultural angle? There will be no respect from the players to the leaders.

Just look at our competition for some comparative insights.
 
TIGERS said:
Can someone please point me in the direction of some historical evidence that an end of season review is actually a good thing for this football club?

What was the last one?? 2014, Brian Smith??? Did that really change anything??? We ended up with Jason Taylor as a result for goodness sake. They're just to build up a rap sheet to justify changes and sack people. Even worse its just another entry point for more backstabbing and whispers.

The fact of the matter is we can't recruit ANY talent without paying overs, and the talent we do produce gets poached. Thats it. There is nothing more to it. Sure, we improve a bit as a team here and there, but we also can't improve at a rate that is fast enough because we end up dudded by long, multi year contracts.

Until you find a way to get around that core and fundamental problem with the already existing 10 year hoodoo around your neck, things will never change. As long as we are in that cycle you're just re-arranging the same furniture within the same framework.

In terms of corporate governance, who could we possibly bring in that could do a better job than what we have now?? You've got factions and infighting at the board no matter whom is at the helm. Will a new chairman stop leaks to the media? Would a new CEO make the club more lucrative to play for? Will a new chairperson not be subject to the same simmering lack of trust between Wests and Balmain.? I like Lee Hagipantelis. He's a committed benefactor. He's trying things. He has a personality. He's a fan. He's seems to have a better grasp of footy than Marina Go and Mike Bailey ever did. The club has excellent facilities and good sponsorship. We are back at our traditional grounds as a result! He fronts the media more than any other chairperson as far as I can see and communicates bravely and well.

I could be wrong tho.

Is there any real evidence or track record of reviews actually having a positive effect?
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Great question. What is the review about? Results on the field or off it?
 
cochise said:
cochise said:
Tim sheens didn't stand down, if he did why are we still paying him and insisted on him signing a non disclosure agreement?

Even if he did stand down there is so much evidence of us changing strategic direction just in relation to Tim. He went from pathways, to head of football, to coach and then sacked in less than 2 years. We anointed him the god of football at our club and then 12 months later we don't even consult him about appointing a head of recruitment? Those are strategic direction changes that show poor planning and fall directly on the CEO and board.

I have done plenty of work at a governance level, I know what the role of the board is. It is to set, monitor and maintain strategic direction of an organisation, the CEO's role is to implement that direction. We fail at both of those levels.

You don't think a guy that had senior executive roles in the NRL and has spent time on numerous sporting, including boards in Rugby league clubs would have a fair understanding of corporate governance in sport? You don't think he might be able to take a look at our club and make recommendations for improvement?
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Tim sheens didn't stand down, if he did why are we still paying him and insisted on him signing a non disclosure agreement?

Even if he did stand down there is so much evidence of us changing strategic direction just in relation to Tim. He went from pathways, to head of football, to coach and then sacked in less than 2 years. We anointed him the god of football at our club and then 12 months later we don't even consult him about appointing a head of recruitment? Those are strategic direction changes that show poor planning and fall directly on the CEO and board.

I have done plenty of work at a governance level, I know what the role of the board is. It is to set, monitor and maintain strategic direction of an organisation, the CEO's role is to implement that direction. We fail at both of those levels.

You don't think a guy that had senior executive roles in the NRL and has spent time on numerous sporting, including boards in Rugby league clubs would have a fair understanding of corporate governance in sport? You don't think he might be able to take a look at our club and make recommendations for improvement?
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John Coates is a long standing WT fan and also donates money to our club. He's a fan!! Just like us. So I don't see any report from him as being the immutable and impartial source of truth that it's currently being made out to be. I'd venture that being IOC vice president has slightly different dimensions than what takes place in our boardroom. Do IOC comittee members have to contend with daily scrutiny and punshiment from NRL on Fox? Good luck to them if they had to.

In terms of corporate experience, we are talking about F1 racing vs billy carts here. You might know a lot about International doping problems and geo-political sportswashing concerns, but does that really translate into knowledge about how a small subrban joint venture should operate?

Look, im sure a lovely well written document with some best practice high minded ideas and some splendid jargon-filled proposals will be presented to those who asked for it and tell them everything they wanted to hear... We change chairperson and CEO,...they're bringing in their own people, they "need time to build a solid foundation" -- and before you know it they're being blamed by the mob and news corp for things that happened in 2012.

Come on, no kind of structural change can alter the infighting and poor behaviour from personalites within and around our club. What is that report going to say that will make Wests and Balmain humans like each other, and stop the petty leaking to the media that betrays our fans and our players week in week out. What in that report could possibly change the uniquiely complicated constraints in the NRL that make it almost impossible for our club to (consistently) compete fairly in the Transfer market.
 
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Todd Packer said:
Mate you're too intelligent and make reasoned points as opposed to mob mentality, petition wielding, burnings at the stake.
You need to find somewhere else to post.
This place isn't for you.
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So you’re happy with what the board has done since Pascoe arrived?
 
Tom. You not seeing the link? If that is true. Im the dickhead here. Apologies. Can someone please repost for Tom. Again. Apologies brother. Really.
 
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