Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Lestronge said:
??? lol now your just being argumentative . That’s literally my point. But you can deal with the defensive mistakes ,. But you can’t deal with the poor attitude .
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Nup - no argument here!

I am with you 100%

I appreciate how well you articulated the character issues with Nofa that if I had written would be construed as a personal attack by his fan club!

Well said sir!
 
2041 said:

Blore has signed for the Storm for 2025, which is when he becomes a free agent. We were in no position to "get anything out of it" - if Blore thinks somewhere else is a better option WHEN HE'S OFF CONTRACT that's totally his decision and his current club has zero leverage. If we want to see if anyone wants to swap for him FOR 2024 that's still an option, assuming he's interested in doing it.
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Congrats, you have stated exactly what I was saying....

We have Blore for 2024, we could negotiate a good exit/swap since Blore seems hell bent on going.
Instead we just let him leave for Melbourne and we will let another team pick up Olam or another back from the storm.
 
Ecto-1 said:
I wonder when people are going to realise this isn’t the Nofa thread 🤔
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OMG, someone has hijacked the "signing, suggestions and Roumers" thread. Go tell the Moderators, they will be most surprised 😉

We need to fire Nofa, I just don't get why his management did not tell him "turn up to training, earn an easy 500k". Okay I am sure they did and the kid just has issues.
 
crazycat said:
Congrats, you have stated exactly what I was saying....

We have Blore for 2024, we could negotiate a good exit/swap since Blore seems hell bent on going.
Instead we just let him leave for Melbourne and we will let another team pick up Olam or another back from the storm.
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Has it crossed your mind that Melbourne don't want to do a swap for 2024? Let me play it out for you:
Step 1) Tigers and Storm discuss a swap for Blore and Olam for 2024 but can't agree the details: the Storm want us to take Olam's whole contract for instance, and we - rightly - think that's a poor deal.
Step 2) Blore signs for the Storm for 2025.
Step 3) The Tigers go back to Melbourne and say "we want a player swap for 2024".
Step 4) The Storm say "we made you our best offer, if you don't like it you can keep him and we'll have him in 2025".
Step 5) Nothing. That's the end of the conversation.
The bit of my comment you either ignored or didn't understand is that unless Melbourne are particularly keen to get Blore for 2024 we don't have any leverage. All the Blore/Olam talk sounds to me like Melbourne thought we might be dumb enough to let them have a player they want in return for one they don't. Fortunately we managed to avoid treading on that particular rake - for once - but otherwise the Storm aren't especially fussed if they get Blore for 2024 or 2025 and therefore certainly aren't going to offer anything of value for 2024.
If you're running the Tigers right now what's your play with Melbourne? Please refer to steps 3 and 4 above before replying.
 
Tucker said:
Having a plan is good management.
Divulging the details of that plan to those affected by it at the beginning of pre season is poor man management. A good manager would get the top 4 winger prospects together, tell them they are his focus and that the starting positions would be determined by pre season and trial form. You have to make everyone believe that busting their arse all summer will be worth it. You don’t tell a senior player he is out of the running before he’s begun.
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That is your opinion, perhaps Benji doesn’t see it that way
 
2041 said:
Has it crossed your mind that Melbourne don't want to do a swap for 2024? Let me play it out for you:
Step 1) Tigers and Storm discuss a swap for Blore and Olam for 2024 but can't agree the details: the Storm want us to take Olam's whole contract for instance, and we - rightly - think that's a poor deal.
Step 2) Blore signs for the Storm for 2025.
Step 3) The Tigers go back to Melbourne and say "we want a player swap for 2024".
Step 4) The Storm say "we made you our best offer, if you don't like it you can keep him and we'll have him in 2025".
Step 5) Nothing. That's the end of the conversation.
The bit of my comment you either ignored or didn't understand is that unless Melbourne are particularly keen to get Blore for 2024 we don't have any leverage. All the Blore/Olam talk sounds to me like Melbourne thought we might be dumb enough to let them have a player they want in return for one they don't. Fortunately we managed to avoid treading on that particular rake - for once - but otherwise the Storm aren't especially fussed if they get Blore for 2024 or 2025 and therefore certainly aren't going to offer anything of value for 2024.
If you're running the Tigers right now what's your play with Melbourne? Please refer to steps 3 and 4 above before replying.
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Melbourne are missing enough of a forward pack that, YES they want Blore for 2024.

Considering how much depth they are missing there. Yes Melbourne want Blore and more forwards.
Ofcourse, they might see us as a laughing stock. I would agree.
But for Melbourne that "
"we made you our best offer, if you don't like it you can keep him and we'll have him in 2025".
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Means no top 4 finish. They want that.

Ofcourse they could go and do something different. Accept their team needs a rest for a year. Let players heal, like Blore who has had a stack of injuries and a year as a bench/reserve grade player would be good.

All in all I doubt it. We need a solid Center, Melbourne really need forwards and need them more then we need a center.
 
crazycat said:
Melbourne are missing enough of a forward pack that, YES they want Blore for 2024.

Considering how much depth they are missing there. Yes Melbourne want Blore and more forwards.
Ofcourse, they might see us as a laughing stock. I would agree.
But for Melbourne that "

Means no top 4 finish. They want that.

Ofcourse they could go and do something different. Accept their team needs a rest for a year. Let players heal, like Blore who has had a stack of injuries and a year as a bench/reserve grade player would be good.

All in all I doubt it. We need a solid Center, Melbourne really need forwards and need them more then we need a center.
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I think they want Blore for this year and Olam gone. Tigers are happy to take Olam but only if Melbourne pay a percentage of his contract which they refused to do so the Tigers paused the negotiations. If Melbourne want it to happen they have to come to us with a deal. Tigers are playing hardball acting from a position of strength.
 
crazycat said:
Melbourne are missing enough of a forward pack that, YES they want Blore for 2024.

Considering how much depth they are missing there. Yes Melbourne want Blore and more forwards.
Ofcourse, they might see us as a laughing stock. I would agree.
But for Melbourne that "

Means no top 4 finish. They want that.

Ofcourse they could go and do something different. Accept their team needs a rest for a year. Let players heal, like Blore who has had a stack of injuries and a year as a bench/reserve grade player would be good.

All in all I doubt it. We need a solid Center, Melbourne really need forwards and need them more then we need a center.
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You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Melbourne are willing to offer anything of any consequence in return for Blore in 2024. You're basing this exclusively on the clubs having discussed an Olam/Blore swap - which, as I say, was pretty clearly a case of Melbourne thinking they might be able to get something they want in return for something they want to get rid of.

We pretty much know Melbourne don't have any use for Olam, so of course they'd be happy to let him go to a club that's willing to pay his salary. We actually don't need to give them Blore for that - the swap aspect of the deal wasn't for Olam, it was for Olam's contract: you can have Blore if you pay most of Olam's salary.

You can't just imagine that Melbourne believe Blore is the difference between making the top four and not doing so (which is a ridiculous concept straight off the bat) and then demand the Tigers make a trade based on this desperation you have made up.
 
Ecto-1 said:
I think they want Blore for this year and Olam gone. Tigers are happy to take Olam but only if Melbourne pay a percentage of his contract which they refused to do so the Tigers paused the negotiations. If Melbourne want it to happen they have to come to us with a deal. Tigers are playing hardball acting from a position of strength.
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How is it a position of strength? Blore has signed for Melbourne for 2025 and we have literally zero idea whether Melbourne are sufficiently bothered about getting him in 2024 that they're willing to give anything up. The Olam deal was a complete red herring: Melbourne don't want him so of course they were willing to let him go. Has there been any sign at any stage that Melbourne are especially bothered about whether they get Blore in 2024 or 2025? 19 times out of 20 when a player signs elsewhere a year out his destination club is perfectly happy to wait a year to get him without sacrificing anything, and that's when we're talking about legit star players. Melbourne aren't about to do something daft to get an extra season of a 100% maybe player like Blore.
 
2041 said:
How is it a position of strength? Blore has signed for Melbourne for 2025 and we have literally zero idea whether Melbourne are sufficiently bothered about getting him in 2024 that they're willing to give anything up. The Olam deal was a complete red herring: Melbourne don't want him so of course they were willing to let him go. Has there been any sign at any stage that Melbourne are especially bothered about whether they get Blore in 2024 or 2025? 19 times out of 20 when a player signs elsewhere a year out his destination club is perfectly happy to wait a year to get him without sacrificing anything, and that's when we're talking about legit star players. Melbourne aren't about to do something daft to get an extra season of a 100% maybe player like Blore.
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We will see. Melbourne tried to get Blore during last season so yes they do want him now. So Melbourne need the swap to happen more than we do so that puts us in the driving seat. They now know we can walk away from it.
 
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