Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[TigerNeddyK]

One rep player, one briefly amazing but chronically injured guy and half a dozen fringe to ok first graders... in a decade? That's what you consider a club that is perpetually building for the future, is it? The Roosters, hardly renowned as a junior development club, have more of their own junior talent in their squad today.

And that's before we even broach the issue that literally none of those players contributed anything of any conseuqence to the Tigers

You stated that we have not produced any players since Tedesco so I named a few that we have , you can’t then pose a completely different question to my response FFs .. I never ever said we have been a renowned junior development club that was constantly building for the future , as I do not think that at all , but we do have a big development area that has the potential to produce NRL talent .. .. 🤨

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Nobody is arguing the merits of the signing
TP, would be huge. losing Fainu, Bud, Large
or Galvin in the process is the issue - 4 yrs
on big coin has its blowbacks. Glad we
dropped out of the race 4 AFB too. Dogs
are playing 4D chess, they really want Luai.
I've been hot & cold about this all week.
He could of signed yesterday if he wanted 2

Imagine in 2027 everyone is fulfilling their potential & it's something like this @Kaito

1 Bula
2 Willett
3 Makasini / Saukuru
4 Large
5 L Laulilii / Craig
6 Fainu
7 Luai
13 Galvin
12 Fainu / Faagutu
11 Papalii
Kit Laulilii, Uto, Pole, Miller in prop rotation
9 Da Silva

Bud/Mason bench utility

 

[rugbygoated]

We're still arguing about the merits of getting a player of Luai's quality after all the years of nothingness in our halves.
This place really is an alternate universe.

It's the blind faith in juniors for me. There have been heaps of hyped up juniors who don't turn out great in first grade. Fainu I would be willing to give a good chance. But people are acting like Sullivan is going to turn around our fortunes and thus we don't need to sign a marquee. Galvin won't leave.

 

[Demps]

Imagine in 2027 everyone is fulfilling their potential & it's something like this @Kaito

1 Bula
2 Willett
3 Makasini / Saukuru
4 Large
5 L Laulilii / Craig
6 Fainu
7 Luai
13 Galvin
12 Fainu / Faagutu
11 Papalii
Kit Laulilii, Uto, Pole, Miller in prop rotation
9 Da Silva

Bud/Mason bench utility

🔥🔥🔥

 

[Tiger Tarl]

Re. future HALVES.

If we sign Luai it is almost certain it's for halfback. I believe he could be a standout in that position (like Hynes has shown) but also because we have a bunch of talented kids coming through, all of which are primarily 5/8ths. But so far so is Luai.

So looking at possible NRL halves in our system:

Cezer - started his career as 5/8 and played rep footy in that position but played as first-choice halfback at Canberra and played halfback in Super League.
Sullivan - played 12 games last year, 7 as 5/8, 3 as half-back, 2 as interchange. So primarily a 5/8.
Luai - plays as a 5/8 in NRL
Latu Fainu - plays primarily as 5/8
Galvin - plays primarily at 5/8
Large - Plays primarily at 5/8.

I'm a big believer in plasticity for some players to change position, particularly in the halves. Perhaps any one of these players could make a great halfback but currently only one has shown they can play halfback regularly with some success. But Cezer is just a stopgap.

So who is our long-term 7 (2025 onwards)?

If we get Luai then I'd say it has to be him, leaving the others to fight it out for 5/8. Sezer will play 7 in 2024 and Sullivan 6. Fainu and Galvin could partner in the halves in reserves but who would be 6 and who 7?

However, if Luai doesn't sign with us, then I believe Benji sees Sullivan as our number 7 going forward. In which case, could he give Sullivan the 7 jersey in 2024 with Cezer as 6? This will allow Fainu to understudy Cezer and step in when he can. So 2025 would be Sullivan 7 and Fainu 6. But where does that leave Galvin? He should be ready for NRL by 2025. Some have suggested bringing him in through the centres which I think could work.

But then it's only a few more years until Large is NRL ready. Maybe right when Luai is ready to leave. I guess this is a good problem to have. Getting Luai will definitely help short-term but could cost us at least one of the young guns in the next 3 years.

Is there any way we can keep all these key players or do we have to resign ourselves to the fact that we will lose a possible star?

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Re. future HALVES.

If we sign Luai it is almost certain it's for halfback. I believe he could be a standout in that position (like Hynes has shown) but also because we have a bunch of talented kids coming through, all of which are primarily 5/8ths. But so far so is Luai.

So looking at possible NRL halves in our system:

Cezer - started his career as 5/8 and played rep footy in that position but played as first-choice halfback at Canberra and played halfback in Super League.
Sullivan - played 12 games last year, 7 as 5/8, 3 as half-back, 2 as interchange. So primarily a 5/8.
Luai - plays as a 5/8 in NRL
Latu Fainu - plays primarily as 5/8
Galvin - plays primarily at 5/8
Large - Plays primarily at 5/8.

I'm a big believer in plasticity for some players to change position, particularly in the halves. Perhaps any one of these players could make a great halfback but currently only one has shown they can play halfback regularly with some success. But Cezer is just a stopgap.

So who is our long-term 7 (2025 onwards)?

If we get Luai then I'd say it has to be him, leaving the others to fight it out for 5/8. Sezer will play 7 in 2024 and Sullivan 6. Fainu and Galvin could partner in the halves in reserves but who would be 6 and who 7?

However, if Luai doesn't sign with us, then I believe Benji sees Sullivan as our number 7 going forward. In which case, could he give Sullivan the 7 jersey in 2024 with Cezer as 6? This will allow Fainu to understudy Cezer and step in when he can. So 2025 would be Sullivan 7 and Fainu 6. But where does that leave Galvin? He should be ready for NRL by 2025. Some have suggested bringing him in through the centres which I think could work.

But then it's only a few more years until Large is NRL ready. Maybe right when Luai is ready to leave. I guess this is a good problem to have. Getting Luai will definitely help short-term but could cost us at least one of the young guns in the next 3 years.

Is there any way we can keep all these key players or do we have to resign ourselves to the fact that we will lose a possible star?

I think we have to keep their positions fluid.

I could actually see each of Fainu, Galvin & Sullivan as halfbacks depending on how they progress. Just because Galvin will be 190cm+, why can't he be a uniquely-built halfback if he maintains his speed & agility.

Can also see Galvin & Large as fullbacks too (they are both athletes & highly-skilled, instinctual and smart footy players).

No reason Fainu couldn't develop into a hooker or Galvin a lock too.

 

[2041]

You stated that we have not produced any players since Tedesco so I named a few that we have , you can’t then state a completely different question to my response as if it’s yo a completely different question FFs .. I never ever said we have been a renowned junior development club that was constantly building for the future , as I do not think that at all , but we do have a big development area that has the potential to produce NRL talent .. .. 🤨

It wasn't really my point, but still, let's go with it. As I noted, the list of players you came up is an absolutely shameful crop for a decade of development. What I actually said was we've "hardly produced any juniors of any quality since Tedesco", which your list of borderline first graders, one season wonders and complete nuffies (plus Addo-Carr) more or less proves. So thanks, I guess.

 

[2041]

Re. future HALVES.

If we sign Luai it is almost certain it's for halfback. I believe he could be a standout in that position (like Hynes has shown) but also because we have a bunch of talented kids coming through, all of which are primarily 5/8ths. But so far so is Luai.

So looking at possible NRL halves in our system:

Cezer - started his career as 5/8 and played rep footy in that position but played as first-choice halfback at Canberra and played halfback in Super League.
Sullivan - played 12 games last year, 7 as 5/8, 3 as half-back, 2 as interchange. So primarily a 5/8.
Luai - plays as a 5/8 in NRL
Latu Fainu - plays primarily as 5/8
Galvin - plays primarily at 5/8
Large - Plays primarily at 5/8.

I'm a big believer in plasticity for some players to change position, particularly in the halves. Perhaps any one of these players could make a great halfback but currently only one has shown they can play halfback regularly with some success. But Cezer is just a stopgap.

So who is our long-term 7 (2025 onwards)?

If we get Luai then I'd say it has to be him, leaving the others to fight it out for 5/8. Sezer will play 7 in 2024 and Sullivan 6. Fainu and Galvin could partner in the halves in reserves but who would be 6 and who 7?

However, if Luai doesn't sign with us, then I believe Benji sees Sullivan as our number 7 going forward. In which case, could he give Sullivan the 7 jersey in 2024 with Cezer as 6? This will allow Fainu to understudy Cezer and step in when he can. So 2025 would be Sullivan 7 and Fainu 6. But where does that leave Galvin? He should be ready for NRL by 2025. Some have suggested bringing him in through the centres which I think could work.

But then it's only a few more years until Large is NRL ready. Maybe right when Luai is ready to leave. I guess this is a good problem to have. Getting Luai will definitely help short-term but could cost us at least one of the young guns in the next 3 years.

Is there any way we can keep all these key players or do we have to resign ourselves to the fact that we will lose a possible star?

I'd look at it this way. If we get Luai - and it's still a biiig "if" - he's presumably going to play for the duration of his contract. So there's a vacancy for one half from 2025-28. Large will still only be 21 and is another contender to at least start playing first grade in another position, so I really wouldn't worry about him at this stage. Sezer will presumably only get one season - if he's even a contender to be extended I'd call that a high-quality problem.

So we're talking about Sullivan, Fainu and Galvin. Realistically, the chance of all three of them hitting their potential and remaining largely injury free is next to nothing. If we're lucky, we'll be talking about two into one. Then, as you say, there's the option of Galvin playing centre to start with. It has also been suggested that Sullivan could be a good 14 in a strong side. On $500k a year that wouldn't be the worst contract in the comp, either - especially by 2026-27.

Honestly I would be shocked if this ever turns into a major issue. In fact it's probably more likely that Luai signs elsewhere, neither Sullivan nor Fainu deliver on their promise, and by 2026 we've got a million dollars plus on the cap that we can't readily shift and our starting halves are Kyle Flanagan and Anthony Milford.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

I'd look at it this way. If we get Luai - and it's still a biiig "if" - he's presumably going to play for the duration of his contract. So there's a vacancy for one half from 2025-28. Large will still only be 21 and is another contender to at least start playing first grade in another position, so I really wouldn't worry about him at this stage. Sezer will presumably only get one season - if he's even a contender to be extended I'd call that a high-quality problem.

So we're talking about Sullivan, Fainu and Galvin. Realistically, the chance of all three of them hitting their potential and remaining largely injury free is next to nothing. If we're lucky, we'll be talking about two into one. Then, as you say, there's the option of Galvin playing centre to start with. It has also been suggested that Sullivan could be a good 14 in a strong side. On $500k a year that wouldn't be the worst contract in the comp, either - especially by 2026-27.

Honestly I would be shocked if this ever turns into a major issue. In fact it's probably more likely that Luai signs elsewhere, neither Sullivan nor Fainu deliver on their promise, and by 2026 we've got a million dollars plus on the cap that we can't readily shift and our starting halves are Kyle Flanagan and Anthony Milford.

Groundhog day might be the movie of choice tonight.

We have seen this story soooooo many times & yet still live in hope the ending is different haven’t we.

 

[Curaeus]

Thinking low probability now.

Probably the only casualty from the changes.

I think despite the league media idiots trying to put their usual negative spin on anything the club does, including these necessary changes, most player managers-including Luai's-will see Richo's appointment in particular as a clear indication the joint has finally gotten its act together and is determined to improve both on and off the field.

 

[WesternSuburbsBoy]

Re. future HALVES.

If we sign Luai it is almost certain it's for halfback. I believe he could be a standout in that position (like Hynes has shown) but also because we have a bunch of talented kids coming through, all of which are primarily 5/8ths. But so far so is Luai.

So looking at possible NRL halves in our system:

Cezer - started his career as 5/8 and played rep footy in that position but played as first-choice halfback at Canberra and played halfback in Super League.
Sullivan - played 12 games last year, 7 as 5/8, 3 as half-back, 2 as interchange. So primarily a 5/8.
Luai - plays as a 5/8 in NRL
Latu Fainu - plays primarily as 5/8
Galvin - plays primarily at 5/8
Large - Plays primarily at 5/8.

I'm a big believer in plasticity for some players to change position, particularly in the halves. Perhaps any one of these players could make a great halfback but currently only one has shown they can play halfback regularly with some success. But Cezer is just a stopgap.

So who is our long-term 7 (2025 onwards)?

If we get Luai then I'd say it has to be him, leaving the others to fight it out for 5/8. Sezer will play 7 in 2024 and Sullivan 6. Fainu and Galvin could partner in the halves in reserves but who would be 6 and who 7?

However, if Luai doesn't sign with us, then I believe Benji sees Sullivan as our number 7 going forward. In which case, could he give Sullivan the 7 jersey in 2024 with Cezer as 6? This will allow Fainu to understudy Cezer and step in when he can. So 2025 would be Sullivan 7 and Fainu 6. But where does that leave Galvin? He should be ready for NRL by 2025. Some have suggested bringing him in through the centres which I think could work.

But then it's only a few more years until Large is NRL ready. Maybe right when Luai is ready to leave. I guess this is a good problem to have. Getting Luai will definitely help short-term but could cost us at least one of the young guns in the next 3 years.

Is there any way we can keep all these key players or do we have to resign ourselves to the fact that we will lose a possible star?

Sullivan is a halfback & has said he wants to wear the 7 next year... he was just unlucky that Saints have a top 5 halfback in Hunt.

 

[The_Patriot]

I think despite the league media idiots trying to put their usual negative spin on anything the club does, including these necessary changes, most player managers-including Luai's-will see Richo's appointment in particular as a clear indication the joint has finally gotten its act together and is determined to improve both on and off the field.

Of course they will.
Like you said its only the clickbait media who are painting this as a negative. Its a smash positive and in our favour.

 

[Kaito]

Sullivan is a halfback & has said he wants to wear the 7 next year... he was just unlucky that Saints have a top 5 halfback in Hunt.

And the guy they prioritised over him was
chucking hammers lmao. And Hunt on his
way out. Thank God they signed Flanno Jr

 

[ROZELLE.O.G]

How solid is your source mate? This is getting interesting now two sides of the fence reckon Luai is onboard with them.

Very solid mate, he is giving Penrith 10 days notice. Unless the Laundy's offer him a third party pub ownership deal.

 

[851]

Very solid mate, he is giving Penrith 10 days notice. Unless the Laundy's offer him a third party pub ownership deal.

Cheers mate, thanks for sharing

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Very solid mate, he is giving Penrith 10 days notice. Unless the Laundy's offer him a third party pub ownership deal.

In that case, we have Harry to offer a 3rd party apartment deal lol

 

[Tucker]

They might have wanted to win, but it’s amazing how few clean sweeps have been achieved.
After going out and celebrating the series win after game 2 the effort in game 3 doesn’t seem the same.
It’s called a Dead rubber for a reason.

Sides are pretty evenly matched for talent.
I’d say NSW contains slightly more.
No such thing as a dead rubber.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

It wasn't really my point, but still, let's go with it. As I noted, the list of players you came up is an absolutely shameful crop for a decade of development. What I actually said was we've "hardly produced any juniors of any quality since Tedesco", which your list of borderline first graders, one season wonders and complete nuffies (plus Addo-Carr) more or less proves. So thanks, I guess.

Mate, I’m not here to “argue” or point score, I’m here to discuss and talk about our team and it’s possibilities and potential solutions and signings and whatnot , I hope my contribution and information helps you with your thoughts and ideas in relation to the team so if that is what you are thanking me for you are more than welcome 🙏..

 

[KCTiger2]

Very solid mate, he is giving Penrith 10 days notice. Unless the Laundy's offer him a third party pub ownership deal.

So 10 days starting today? So we get him on Christmas?

 

[Needaname]

Very solid mate, he is giving Penrith 10 days notice. Unless the Laundy's offer him a third party pub ownership deal.

Interesting but technically according to the new contract laws. That only takes place once he agrees to a contract. So if this is true, it means he has agreed to a contract with either Us or the Bulldogs.