Australia Day

[cochise]

This is misleading at best and not correct and should be corrected just for the sake of discussion.

Indigenous men in NSW, SA & Victoria could vote prior to 1895. In 1895, indigenous women were the first women to have the right to vote in Australia, before even white women.

When Australia became an independent nation in 1901, any indigenous people who had registered to vote retained their right to vote.

In 1962 all indigenous people had the right to vote and could enrol to vote and vote like any other Australian.

In 1984 it became compulsory for indigenous Australians to vote, like any other Australian.

That is correct, Indigenous Australian's did not have the same voting rights as the rest of the population. We have compulsory voting is to ensure the majority of the population has it's say and to keep voting number high. Why would we have this requirement for all but one group of our population? Part of having voting rights in Australia includes the requirement to register and vote, not just the option.

Queensland, the Northern Territory and Western Australia had explicit laws to prevent indigenous Australians from voting, Western Australia allowed Indigenous Australian's to apply for citizenship in 1944 but this had conditions attached including speaking English, being industrial and many indigenous people had to prove they no longer associated with their communities.

 

[cochise]

Hi cochise,Im looking forward to catching up with you this year mate...On the Aust day debate,I had a phone call from one of my indigenous mates back in the Riverina today..
He wished me all the best and is looking forward to having a beer with me soon...He couldnt give a flying you know what about the garbage debate and said " I would rather have a beer and feed with you brother because we stuck by each other when we played footy together,all this bs is a small group of no hopers trying to make a name for themselves..cant get anymore honest than that ...cheers mate....

Of course there are indigenous Australians that are not concerned about the date, people have widely differing opinions on most topics.

Plenty of Cambo games this year so I am sure we will manage a catch up mate.

 

[Mistymuzzle]

That is correct, Indigenous Australian's did not have the same voting rights as the rest of the population. We have compulsory voting is to ensure the majority of the population has it's say and to keep voting number high. Why would we have this requirement for all but one group of our population? Part of having voting rights in Australia includes the requirement to register and vote, not just the option.

Queensland, the Northern Territory and Western Australia had explicit laws to prevent indigenous Australians from voting, Western Australia allowed Indigenous Australian's to apply for citizenship in 1944 but this had conditions attached including speaking English, being industrial and many indigenous people had to prove they no longer associated with their communities.

No question that Indigenous people didnt have unfettered rights prior to 1962. Rights are different to obligations.

 

[cochise]

No question that Indigenous people didnt have unfettered rights prior to 1962. Rights are different to obligations.

My opinion is rights come with obligations, the right to vote in this country comes with the obligation that it is compulsory to vote. The only reason you take away the compulsory obligation from one group in your society is because you do not value that opinion as high as others.

 

[Tucker]

Of course there are indigenous Australians that are not concerned about the date, people have widely differing opinions on most topics.

Exactly.
So why have you appointed yourself the spokesperson for these communities, continually pushing only one side of the argument?

 

[Magpie_Magic]

My opinion is rights come with obligations, the right to vote in this country comes with the obligation that it is compulsory to vote. The only reason you take away the compulsory obligation from one group in your society is because you do not value that opinion as high as others.

I looked at it as indigenous people were above compulsion to vote, almost as above the law.

Almost like in a sense if they felt in parallel in certain respects to our government they had a right to not vote.........boycott if you like,

But it can be interpreted many ways I guess.

 

[cochise]

Exactly.
So why have you appointed yourself the spokesperson for these communities, continually pushing only one side of the argument?

No I am giving my opinion, I have never appointed myself a spokesperson, though have heard you do it plenty of times.

You are the one constantly saying you live in these communities, that this is what these communities want.

 

[cochise]

I looked at it as indigenous people were above compulsion to vote, almost as above the law.

Almost like in a sense if they felt in parallel in certain respects to our government they had a right to not vote.........boycott if you like,

But it can be interpreted many ways I guess.

Yeah, I never thought of it that way.

 

[cktiger]

I’m of the opinion you either embrace Australia Day or if you have a problem you don’t.
If you do have a problem then possibly you could see it as a celebration of what our country has become.
The last thing this country needs is uninformed or radical protests about a day we can all celebrate inclusive of all Australians.

 

[Tucker]

No I am giving my opinion, I have never appointed myself a spokesperson, though have heard you do it plenty of times.

You are the one constantly saying you live in these communities, that this is what these communities want.

I’m far more qualified to talk on topics like this than you are, yet everytime I try to engage you about your opinion, you get all pissy.
White knights are not needed. They stir trouble.

 

[innsaneink]

Hi cochise,Im looking forward to catching up with you this year mate...On the Aust day debate,I had a phone call from one of my indigenous mates back in the Riverina today..
He wished me all the best and is looking forward to having a beer with me soon...He couldnt give a flying you know what about the garbage debate and said " I would rather have a beer and feed with you brother because we stuck by each other when we played footy together,all this bs is a small group of no hopers trying to make a name for themselves..cant get anymore honest than that ...cheers mate....

I think your mate is spot on... And I think there are more.. Many more like him, and me also... I'm quite ambivalent about it all really... My old man and my uncles were too... I remember getting in trouble off my mum when I was about 4. she told.me to wash my hands for dinner but I protested uncle Dave and uncle Jack didn't have too... They were much darker than dad for some reason... My uncles laughed and mum blushed... The first I knew of my indigenous heritage.
So many just wanna make noise and if they were fair dinkum about this they'd be bangin on all year round about it... But it's only ever late January those that "are passionate" and "feel strong" about it poke their heads out.

Lionel could teach us ALL a lesson

 

[cochise]

I’m far more qualified to talk on topics like this than you are, yet everytime I try to engage you about your opinion, you get all pissy.
White knights are not needed. They stir trouble.

Why are you more qualified, do we need to compare CVs? lol

Pissy lol, I have told you what my opinion is. You tried to call me out on appointing myself as a spokesperson, I just pointed out you do that more than anyone i have ever met. You then proved me right by saying you are qualified to be that spokesperson.

 

[Tucker]

Why are you more qualified, do we need to compare CVs? lol

Pissy lol, I have told you what my opinion is. You tried to call me out on appointing myself as a spokesperson, I just pointed out you do that more than anyone i have ever met. You then proved me right by saying you are qualified to be that spokesperson.

I’ve lived in Aboriginal communities my whole life and have indigenous heritage.
I’m not comparing cvs but have no doubt that I know more on this topic than some know it all from Campbelltown who read some opinion piece from the ABC once.

 

[cochise]

I’ve lived in Aboriginal communities my whole life and have indigenous heritage.
I’m not comparing cvs but have no doubt that I know more on this topic than some know it all from Campbelltown who read some opinion piece from the ABC once.

Not from Campbelltown mate

 

[Tucker]

Not from Campbelltown mate

Whatever.
You don’t want to celebrate Australia Day? Fine, go to work.
Just ease up on your smug virtue signalling and trying to ruin it for others.

 

[cochise]

Whatever.
You don’t want to celebrate Australia Day? Fine, go to work.
Just ease up on your smug virtue signalling and trying to ruin it for others.

LMAO, you know nothing about me, my work history or my background. I love Australia Day, nothing wrong with wanting everyone to feel like they can celebrate too.

 

[Tucker]

LMAO, you know nothing about me, my work history or my background. I love Australia Day, nothing wrong with wanting everyone to feel like they can celebrate too.

It’s a point you made at the beginning of this thread that was discussed by quite a few people.
The fact you continue bringing it up shows you don’t give a damn about others opinions and are likely just here to stir trouble.
Fill ya boots, I won’t be reading your stuff again.

 

[cochise]

It’s a point you made at the beginning of this thread that was discussed by quite a few people.
The fact you continue bringing it up shows you don’t give a damn about others opinions and are likely just here to stir trouble.
Fill ya boots, I won’t be reading your stuff again.

Sounds like you only want to hear the opinion of those that agree with you.

 

[weststigers]

This is an interesting point, but I doubt that makes the day any different for indigenous Australians.

Why though do you think that January 26th was chosen for the Act to become law?

I also don't think that is a much better reason for indigenous people as indigenous people were still denied many of the fundamental rights of Australian citizenship by that Act. They were not even included as part of the population.

It wasn't until 1984 indigenous Australians had full voting rights in Australia. It's only been 40 years since we decided to give indigenous Australians the same voting rights as other Australians.

I don't see the issue in choosing to have our national day on a day that allows indigenous Australians to be involved.

If the goalposts are then moved by activists then at least an attempt was made in good faith.

Were, wasn't, was...past tense. Under this great country, all rights are now afforded to everyone.

I've had it to the back teeth with this anti-Australia rhetoric.

You only have one citizenship and in the lottery of life, you pulled the grand prize. Things aren't as simple as feelings.

You have only mentioned things that have since been corrected. What are you fighting for exactly?

 

[cochise]

Were, wasn't, was...past tense. Under this great country, all rights are now afforded to everyone.

I've had it to the back teeth with this anti-Australia rhetoric.

You only have one citizenship and in the lottery of life, you pulled the grand prize. Things aren't as simple as feelings.

You have only mentioned things that have since been corrected. What are you fighting for exactly?

I'm not fighting for anything mate, I am stating an opinion. I will be involved in Australia Day tomorrow, others say it isn't a day they can celebrate. I don't think listening to those opinions, compromising and finding a way so everyone can be included is that big a deal. It appears that you disagree which is your right.