Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Telltails said:
Papalli is not the problem. You strengthen the roster around a player like him you don't move them on. Every week fans lament players going well at stronger clubs - that's because they are playing with more talented rosters.
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Agree.

But some of his individual efforts, on both sides of the ball, have been absolutely atrocious for 14 months.

He is a defensive liability at some point in EVERY game.
 
jrtiger said:
Benj has already spoken to his utility value and how he goes 100 miles an hour at everything. I think he's the ideal 14 moving forward, but Benj has to utilise him. we can't waste his key development phase by having him sit on the pine for 80 like he has with Sullivan and now Simpkin.
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Yes Mason has been great in a struggling team in Cup. I think he could be dangerous around the ruck
 
Kelce68 said:
Agree.

But some of his individual efforts, on both sides of the ball, have been absolutely atrocious for 14 months.

He is a defensive liability at some point in EVERY game.
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I’d be grabbing Sua and swapping for Papalii. He offers zero. Give him back to Parra. He wanted to stay there.
 
weststigerman said:
We signed Papali'i when he was reigning second rower of the year. It's up to Benji to get the best out of him.

Why would Su'a come here after seeing Ice's form fall off of a cliff?
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I don’t think he’s had form since he has been here. I think he had one good season at Parra and we drank the Coolaid with an unbridled enthusiasm.

Why wouldn’t he come here? Team is coming good. We played a bad game. So what?
 
Tito Santana said:
I don’t think he’s had form since he has been here. I think he had one good season at Parra and we drank the Coolaid with an unbridled enthusiasm.

Why wouldn’t he come here? Team is coming good. We played a bad game. So what?
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Exactly.

We were awful and undermanned.

In the end, we were one astonishingly bad bounce away from it being 3 tries a piece.
 
Kelce68 said:
Agree.

But some of his individual efforts, on both sides of the ball, have been absolutely atrocious for 14 months.

He is a defensive liability at some point in EVERY game.
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Is there a player in a lesser team who is not guilty of missing a tackle? Unrealistic expectations placed on individual players is always going to lead to disappointment. His work rate exceeds most of our players but he is never not going to be guilty of missing tackles when we keep inviting good teams into attacking positions.
I can guarantee you every time any team gets beat good players miss tackles - even in the good sides
 
Telltails said:
Is there a player in a lesser team who is not guilty of missing a tackle? Unrealistic expectations placed on individual players is always going to lead to disappointment. His work rate exceeds most of our players but he is never not going to be guilty of missing tackles when we keep inviting good teams into attacking positions.
I can guarantee you every time any team gets beat good players miss tackles - even in the good sides
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Of course.

Im not talking about simply missing tackles. However, he frequently has some bad ones.

He's a very poor lateral mover and has a habit of overcommiting on the inside. He frequently causes indecision for his outside men on swings that should be covered comfortably.
 
Tito Santana said:
I don’t think he’s had form since he has been here. I think he had one good season at Parra and we drank the Coolaid with an unbridled enthusiasm.

Why wouldn’t he come here? Team is coming good. We played a bad game. So what?
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I don’t want to let facts get in the way, but the year after he won second rower of the year he had 13 line breaks, 10 tries and averaged 140 metres. Jaydn Su’a hasn’t got near those numbers in 10 years of NRL.

Obviously the ability is there, and if we can’t unlock it, I don’t see how we get a lesser player in the same position and see a different result.
 
Kelce68 said:
Of course.

Im not talking about simply missing tackles. However, he frequently has some bad ones.

He's a very poor lateral mover and has a habit of overcommiting on the inside. He frequently causes indecision for his outside men on swings that should be covered comfortably.
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I reckon our edge defence is much improved but it is an area where teams run attack and can catch players out. LL use to cop the same level of criticism and also played 80 mins. We just can't keep off loading FG players to teams thinking that we are going to replace them easily with someone who will be able to make up for our weaknesses.
 
Telltails said:
I reckon our edge defence is much improved but it is an area where teams run attack and can catch players out. LL use to cop the same level of criticism and also played 80 mins. We just can't keep off loading FG players to teams thinking that we are going to replace them easily with someone who will be able to make up for our weaknesses.
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Again, I agree.

I just think it is often a part of Ice's game that often gets overlooked and it's an area that needs a lot of improvement.

Outside of that, he was willing and busy yesterday, but again, his hands let him down.

Understandably, given personel changes, our edges were very clunky yesterday in general. Both sides.
 
Kelce68 said:
Again, I agree.

I just think it is often a part of Ice's game that often gets overlooked and it's an area that needs a lot of improvement.

Outside of that, he was willing and busy yesterday, but again, his hands let him down.

Understandably, given personel changes, our edges were very clunky yesterday in general. Both sides.
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Sorry mate don't want to get into a to and fro. To be clear don't think he will ever be the player to take us to the next level but he still offers value.
 
Kelce68 said:
I couldn't think of anything less relevant than discussing the 3-5cm or 3/4kg differences between players when it pertains to their ability.

It's all output.

For a forward, for example -

How hard do they hit?
Do they run good lines?
Are they disciplined?
Do they have good lateral movement?
Do they have good hands?
Are they strong in the wrestle?
Do they regularly show the 1%ers?
Do they work from the inside?
Are they good talkers on the field?
Do they split defenders in contact?
Whats their offload rate?
How quick is their ptb?
What is their motor like?
Do they maintain line speed throughout?

Etc.
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Yes, obviously all those are important too. But if you can get in a bigger, faster body you take that upgrade.

We're often not talking a couple of cms or kgs. Often our boys are giving up 15cms and 15kgs, plus they're not aggressive types. That's the problem. There's a reason most clubs can easily steam roll us in attack and defence. They're bigger and more aggressive.

If you can choose between big Tino or Tapine up front vs Joffa or Tumeth and Inglis at the back or Laurie I certainly know which players I'd target.

Over the last
 
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