Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[BAGNF05]

I’ve never seen so many changing emotions around a player. One minute he’s a vital cog in the engine, the next he’s a pillow, the next he’s back to being imperative to our future. I can’t keep up.

But it’s not people flip flopping, you’re just reading a series of opinions on a forum. There might be a little flip flopping but I’d say most people think what they think of Stef. I’m in the pro camp fwiw.

 

[BAGNF05]

Thats like saying you can just forget about the off season, just because we have a bye doesn't mean you can't work on things get your structures down pat. Maybe try and change something up that might not be working, i would suspect there's a fair bit of heavy lifting to be done in our attacking area's. Get things done repetitively so its muscle memory.
Its not just Benji remember the knights players went to Bali during a bye last season or the season before, they got hammered in the media too.
Benji is only a baby in his coaching career there is plenty he doesnt know, maybe if he was a 10 yr veteran has some runs on the board there might not even be a story here to tell but there is and its not great optics.

Knights went on a run after that.

 

[king_sirro]

But it’s not people flip flopping, you’re just reading a series of opinions on a forum. There might be a little flip flopping but I’d say most people think what they think of Stef. I’m in the pro camp fwiw.

Very true. Its so funny how people read different opinions from different people and somehow come to the conclusion people are continually changing their mind.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Knights went on a run after that.

we wont even break into a jog don't worry.

 

[liltiger]

You're right ink. Something is missing and I can't work out if it's that I was a kid and i looked up to my heroes on TV or if the game and tradition has been commercialised and sanitised to the point of it not being the battle it once was.

I'd like to know what those that dont recognise the era you mention and grew up on the modern game think about origin now.

I'm exactly the same, for me it's the aggression that has been taken out of the game. When I was younger it was the gladiators arena where 2 teams of blokes were trying to rip each other apart. If they couldn't do it on the scoreboard then they tried with their fists. Now it's just lost its soul.

 

[Vicious]

well if he’s been dropped and he’s out of favour is it not worth asking the question given how dire our outside back situation is?

Any normal club which was second last in NRL and dead last in NSW Cup would take action and bring in some new players, rather than just let the land slide continue.

 

[BZN]

No surprises there, the bickering has gone on for way too long for someone who loves the club, wants to be captain and lead us into the promised land.

Isn't that what Aaron Woods wanted to do for WTs?
As he showed, he didn't have the guts or Love for Our Club to stay.
If Steph leaves it'll just show he wasn't the sort of bloke WTs needed to Captain Our Club.
I haven't seen the consistent signs of him wanting to show the way and/or being an inspiring leader which is 100% what We need.
Galvin shows more positive signs of Leadership than Steph does Imo.

 

[lathami]

Even a "bad" coach with a decent playing group will get a middle of the table finish.

Our main issue is our roster. Particularly in attack.

Our defence is actually passable, save from a few moments of laziness. If we score more points, we probably don't concede as many either.

Bateman can't break the line. He is too small and weak. Gives away too many penalties as well. He's gotta go. He was cooked when we bought him and he's still cooked now. Signing with the clause that he gets to spend most of the pre season in England was a joke. We don't need that.

Papalii is a nugget trying to play in an Athletic position. He went much better in the middle at 13. You can see the difference Fainu makes on the edge even with little experience.

Klemmers stats might be ok, but he's ineffective. Is it any use get 5 extra PCM if your play the ball speed suffers by 4 seconds while the other team holds you up and their defence resets? We need guys that skittle the defence and get a quick ptb.

Staines doesn't get enough yards out of our own end and is zero threat. Tackling is at 68% efficiency. 20 tackle breaks this season. He is not the answer for us. Isaako by comparison has 38 tackle breaks and tackling at 80%. When I see him 1 on 1 with a player, I know he's not going to beat his man. Need better.

The common denominator here is we need guys in these positions that can actually break a tackle and provide a threat in attack.

Our bench kinda sucks, but we're not going to be able to add 8 players in the off season. If we can get 4 high quality replacements for the above guys, we actually stand a chance with or without Benji as coach.

That’s exactly why the nights pissed Klemmer off!

 

[tigermate]

FFS you whiny glass half empty sooks do my head in .. seriously just come here to post paranoid crap laced with your own insecurities and acting like your fears are absolutely certain to happen based on your own 4D understanding of the club and its playing group!! LMFAO 😅😂🤣😁

Lol

We’ve lost 8 in a row mate looking drown road of 3rd wooden spoon in a row

Glad you got the sack as our CEO

but Justin can you like bugger off you’re making others delusional on here like you

 

[Kaito]

That’s exactly why the nights pissed Klemmer off!

Stef & Klem don't compliment one another as starting
front rowers at all. People familiar with American
sports understand the term 'stat padding'.. Richo
will do well if he comes back from the UK with a job
lined up for Klem up north. He's served us well but
we don't need him. Not in our plans moving forward

 

[bptiger 0]

Serious question as I wouldn't know, but do the better Fiji rugby players live in Fiji or are they playing some sort of professional or semi professional Rudgy somewhere?

U are right must are over in Britain or France , that’s not to say there is young talent still in Fiji, a couple of years ago I was in a cruise and we stopped there on a weekend , we went passed a footy game , we stopped for 30 minutes and watched , there raw but great athletes

 

[Cheffo]

No I reckon he was well overrated when he hit NRL and then everyone seen he was not that good. Average benchy at best.
I was a fan, his first year or so was very promising. He hit his ceiling.

 

[Cheffo]

So you’re a “ceiling fan”?

 

[jrtiger]

Any normal club which was second last in NRL and dead last in NSW Cup would take action and bring in some new players, rather than just let the land slide continue.

in order to bring in players you first have to shop the current players around. Shane Richardson is in England doing just that.

 

[crazycat]

Even a "bad" coach with a decent playing group will get a middle of the table finish.

Our main issue is our roster. Particularly in attack.

Our defence is actually passable, save from a few moments of laziness. If we score more points, we probably don't concede as many either.

Bateman can't break the line. He is too small and weak. Gives away too many penalties as well. He's gotta go. He was cooked when we bought him and he's still cooked now. Signing with the clause that he gets to spend most of the pre season in England was a joke. We don't need that.

Papalii is a nugget trying to play in an Athletic position. He went much better in the middle at 13. You can see the difference Fainu makes on the edge even with little experience.

Klemmers stats might be ok, but he's ineffective. Is it any use get 5 extra PCM if your play the ball speed suffers by 4 seconds while the other team holds you up and their defence resets? We need guys that skittle the defence and get a quick ptb.

Staines doesn't get enough yards out of our own end and is zero threat. Tackling is at 68% efficiency. 20 tackle breaks this season. He is not the answer for us. Isaako by comparison has 38 tackle breaks and tackling at 80%. When I see him 1 on 1 with a player, I know he's not going to beat his man. Need better.

The common denominator here is we need guys in these positions that can actually break a tackle and provide a threat in attack.

Our bench kinda sucks, but we're not going to be able to add 8 players in the off season. If we can get 4 high quality replacements for the above guys, we actually stand a chance with or without Benji as coach.

Our defense has improved... I still don't consider it 'passable'

I know our for vs against reflects that. I just watch so many games where we go down 8-12 points and we never get our Mojo back on. Just watching us I see us build pressure and then hssssss as we deflate.

You are right, Bateman, Papalii and Klemmer are all misused.
One thing that massively impressed me was Haslier was he came to the bulldogs and planned his team around the skills the bulldogs players had. That really impressed me as it seems most coaches have a plan and then buy the players to fit that plan.

Sheens planned 'fast footy' yet our team were Turtles.
Madge inherited some weird Cleary plan, but he wanted to copy Melbourne and never got it right.

Bateman could be better used, clearly has strong points and weak points. I keep thinking Christian Welsh or Wade Graham style player with him. In our team he is just weirdly misused and not working.

Likewise Klem, he is a good player and can help rattle the defense. I can't fault him alone for slow PTB, because our entire team is slow playing the ball! Our speed out of attack is just stupidly slow and this really hurts us.

Very much the WT are a "group of players" not a team.

 

[crazycat]

Didn't he have 5 - 6 different centre pairings in those 3 weeks? Needs a reliable centre inside him, I think he needs to move to the left with olam.

Yea, one major thing we are doing wrong is in not letting a pairing stick.

If we are going to hire people into the backline. I reckon our best shot would be to pinch a Center/Wing combo. People who know how to defend together and pass in sync with each other.

 

[Shanotiger]

Serious question as I wouldn't know, but do the better Fiji rugby players live in Fiji or are they playing some sort of professional or semi professional Rudgy somewhere?

I went over a few years ago and done a few days with schools with some training. Some of the young kids there were awesome. Prob is union is bigger over there.

 

[BZN]

Benji going is a bad look

He could’ve stayed and actually reviewed tape or come in when no one is around to try and work out a new plan around our attack

When you’re losing …. players look at the “boss” to get inspiration and follow their lead.

If he doesn’t understand this then it’s bc he grew up with perhaps a different, privileged mind set than other players bc he was a unique one off talent who - yes hard to work really hard - but he never had to work hard to get his talent - he had it like no one else.

People say “generally” talented players make bad coaches and vice versa bc they didn’t have to work as hard as the toilers for their success. Yes Billy slater is killing it but he grew up with the storm system. Benji grew up with sheens saying “score 32 if they score 30… and play what you see don’t worry about building pressure”.

Benji is not Wayne or Craig - he hasn’t learnt the respect as a coach. His reputation as a great has given him a slight grace period with younger players who looked up to him but after 8,9,12 losses in a row we everyone starts to lose faith.

. If he doesnt get results quick and it looks like not only Steff but juniors like galvin and others don’t sign extensions bc they ( them, their managers or family) want to be in successful clubs… I think he’ll be shown the door or at least another senior assistant will be brought in

API not making origin despite people saying it’s a good thing is absolutely horrendous for us

Shows other players at our club they get penalized in our club bc of our results

He was a certainty before 8 losses on the trot

Benjis “eyes up football” is so bad. He or Robbie never created a consistent winning team for us when they were players - always good or bad… not like Billy slater at the storm or fitzy at roosters.

Steff not signing an extension already means he will 99% go… unless we offer him so much more than someone else. Who can blame him tho?

Most likely 3 wooden spoons in a row!!! That’s so so bad.

I've looked into my crystal ball tigermate, and it has shown me you are white in colour, with blond hair and blue eyes, in other words a real spunk to most women and possibly some men 😉.
You come from and were born in 'The Land of Hope and Glory', so in other words 'GOD Bless America' because you'll need HIS blessing if Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wins the next election.
Sorry, I digressed badly.
You come from the deep south Red Neck country and 'still have' black coloured slaves.

You must have... as you don't 🩸🩸🩸like hardworking slaves like Bunji having free time, or the slavelings either for that matter.
Rest assured tigermate, the break will do Bunji and all the players a lot of good Imo, as long as they don't get into mischief, say their prayers, go to bed early and hang a yellow ribbon around the old oak tree.
Then most importantly, Mr. and Mrs. Bunji might be trying to make babies, so they need the peace and quiet.
And gees I'm so old I've forgotten 🤔 what Yuh gotta do to make babies 😊.
Ps... please don't take the utter rubbish I have written seriously, it's the anti-depression meds I take of a night kicking in 🙂.

 

[BZN]

you are talking about “prying them away”… i assume through paying them overs ? I would rather just keep Stef to be honest ..the Fijian bloke is already 30

Richo said WTs will not be paying overs anymore.

 

[BZN]

Colin it's 2024...words mean nothing anymore. It's what people feel they mean. It's the vibe man.

ello, ello, we've got someone else with a good sense of humour 👍.