Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Tigerbenb said:
Agreed. If he is Not guilty, I am talking to his manager. Guilty - well u can get back in the gane after locking people in cupboards. Guilty - he drives a street sweeper for life plating in some group A or group d comp somewhere . Chooks don’t need him- might end up overseas .
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Put it this way there has been multiple NRL players and fringe NRL players up on domestic violence charges over the past 5 or so years and I cannot remember one of them being convicted.
You cannot tell me that every one of them was not guilty ?
This is how the system works, high profile people with plenty of money to pay the best legal teams and they generally get found not guilty.
So it is highly likely Taylan May will get found not guilty and the true story will never be known by anyone other than he and his ex partner.
That being said, none of us know the true story and if he ends up being found not guilty, does that mean a club like us, desperate for a player like him should err on the side of caution and let a glamour club such as the Roisters sign him, or should we do our best to get off the bottom of the ladder and do all we can to sign the best available players possible ?
 
BAGNF05 said:
You could probably go through Australian school boys sides throughout time and find that maybe 5% went on to lengthy NRL careers. It’s a massive leap, it’s why fans need to get excited about the Galvin’s, Fainus and the Bula’s.
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I think you'd find the number is much closer to 40-50% going on to at least become solid first graders.
 
balmain boy said:
These guys are rated much higher than Galvin was at the same age. Just because Galvin is the exception, doesn't mean we don't also have other exceptions in our midst.
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Doesn't surprise me, IMO Galvins rise isn't off the back of talent (Not to say he doesn't have talent)
It's off the back of his want....
I've not seen a player that young ever show such a desire to be in the game....
It's franchise changing....

I see a whole lot of JT in Galvin, Gutherson to an extent as well....
A real dogged determination, Any heights can be reached off the back of that.
 
batboy said:
Doesn't surprise me, IMO Galvins rise isn't off the back of talent (Not to say he doesn't have talent)
It's off the back of his want....
I've not seen a player that young ever show such a desire to be in the game....
It's franchise changing....

I see a whole lot of JT in Galvin, Gutherson to an extent as well....
A real dogged determination, Any heights can be reached off the back of that.
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Seems to have an old head on his shoulders too. Haven't seen him panic into an error that I can think of. Also supposedly extremely fit. All makes for a good clutch player if given some meaningful footy games.
 
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BAGNF05 said:
what would be you definition of that, 150 games? i.e. 5 seasons?

I think you'd find it's much lower.
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I'd say 100 games is a great achievement for any player. That's about 4-5 full seasons too, appearances will usually be a bit more scattered in the early days when they're finding their feet and yoyoing between grades too.
 
balmain boy said:
These guys are rated much higher than Galvin was at the same age. Just because Galvin is the exception, doesn't mean we don't also have other exceptions in our midst.
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well…they weren’t called the next JT like Bud Sullivan was at a similar age …so they weren’t rated as high as he was… Doesnt mean much now for Bud though does it ?

Galvin has actually done it …that’s all that matters to me
 
balmain boy said:
I'd say 100 games is a great achievement for any player. That's about 4-5 full seasons too, appearances will usually be a bit more scattered in the early days when they're finding their feet and yoyoing between grades too.
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My 5% was in relation to top line career first graders, I agree 40-50% of Aus school boys will make first grade and play 4-5 seasons.
 
Vicious said:
Put it this way there has been multiple NRL players and fringe NRL players up on domestic violence charges over the past 5 or so years and I cannot remember one of them being convicted.
You cannot tell me that every one of them was not guilty ?
This is how the system works, high profile people with plenty of money to pay the best legal teams and they generally get found not guilty.
So it is highly likely Taylan May will get found not guilty and the true story will never be known by anyone other than he and his ex partner.
That being said, none of us know the true story and if he ends up being found not guilty, does that mean a club like us, desperate for a player like him should err on the side of caution and let a glamour club such as the Roisters sign him, or should we do our best to get off the bottom of the ladder and do all we can to sign the best available players possible ?
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We would be stupid not to try and sign him.
What I am not sure of is what happens if we does get found guilty does his salary come off the salary cap and are we able to sign someone else.?
 
Vicious said:
Highly likely, but there is also the possibility they could lowball him with their offer, considering they will need to spend plenty to try and retain Sam Walker and knowing they need cap space to sign a quality 5/8 ASAP.
If we really wanted him and made a decent offer, I would say we would be well in contention to sign him.
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It looks like Townsend is going to the Chooks.
You add in Sam Walker.. I don't get how or why they keep both players.

Luke Keary may be retiring. If we did not have way more 'halves' then we need he would be a good option.

The Bulldogs are smart in signing a premium center instead of halves. So many 5/8's fewer players wanting to play Center
 
weststigers said:
Are you still upset about Horsburgh and Hetherington? You've had a right old sulk haven't you?
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Pull your ego in.

Believe it or not, there have been a few people on here critical of players of poor discipline. It's interesting that a few are now supporting one of the least disciplined players to come here as an option.

Yet you're the one that came back with "What would Wayne Bennett know" like a smart arse.

You 'asked' that I lay off the Horsburgh & Hetherington ideas- which I did.

No need to be a smarmy tool on top of it.
 
Vicious said:
Put it this way there has been multiple NRL players and fringe NRL players up on domestic violence charges over the past 5 or so years and I cannot remember one of them being convicted.
You cannot tell me that every one of them was not guilty ?
This is how the system works, high profile people with plenty of money to pay the best legal teams and they generally get found not guilty.
So it is highly likely Taylan May will get found not guilty and the true story will never be known by anyone other than he and his ex partner.
That being said, none of us know the true story and if he ends up being found not guilty, does that mean a club like us, desperate for a player like him should err on the side of caution and let a glamour club such as the Roisters sign him, or should we do our best to get off the bottom of the ladder and do all we can to sign the best available players possible ?
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I really hate this reasoning...

Degree MATTERS! They are not the same.

Yes Brett Stewart is really owed an apology, Jarryd Hayne has been found innocent on appeal, but many have been found guilty
Massive difference to that and Taylan May: "assault occasioning actual bodily harm and two counts of stalking"... and De Belin really was very lucky not to get more jail time..

Court is court. It either finds someone guilty or finds not enough evidence to find someone guilty. It never pronounces someone innocent. Seriously we need to use our brains here and look at different circumstances differently...

From all I can tell Brett Stewart was set up. Hayne, I just don't know (and kinda don't care enough.. probably a he said/she said). May there is clear physical evidence. Don't go near him.

Did Matty Johns and a bunch of Cronulla players do what they did in NZ. Hell yes.
I am more then willing to give Brett Stewart the benefit of the doubt and have the NRL work out a proper way of investigating these claims, ensuring abusers don't play the game while somehow compensating people who were unfairly accused and no strong evidence was presented.

It's a tough one for sure.

But lets not mix your Taylan May's story who has been quite physically abusive with other cases where the "true story" may never been known.
 
Vicious said:
Put it this way there has been multiple NRL players and fringe NRL players up on domestic violence charges over the past 5 or so years and I cannot remember one of them being convicted.
You cannot tell me that every one of them was not guilty ?
This is how the system works, high profile people with plenty of money to pay the best legal teams and they generally get found not guilty.
So it is highly likely Taylan May will get found not guilty and the true story will never be known by anyone other than he and his ex partner.
That being said, none of us know the true story and if he ends up being found not guilty, does that mean a club like us, desperate for a player like him should err on the side of caution and let a glamour club such as the Roisters sign him, or should we do our best to get off the bottom of the ladder and do all we can to sign the best available players possible ?
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Yes. Luai is a family man. I’m sure he will have a lot to say if Taylan is not convicted but was found to smack around his misses’
 
Tom Shines said:
I was doing a bit of googling ..here is a story about the 2009 Australian schoolboys team… pretty meh in my opinion apart from Morgan and JT..

www.foxsports.com.au

A Tongan hero and luckless young stars: Whatever happened to the 2009 Schoolboys team?

Test heroes and luckless young stars: 2009 Schoolboys team — where are they now
www.foxsports.com.au www.foxsports.com.au
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Exactly. You get a few obvious break out stars each year. A handful of others who you know are career players, and then some late bloomers who work their way to success. So maybe 20-25 max from each cohort of juniors, in a good year.

That’s about 1 per club per year.
 
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