Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Vicious said:
I’ve got a few theories on why this happens, the main one being if takes virtually a full team of committed players running the ball harder and tackling harder than their opposition to asset their dominance and get on the front foot like the good teams regularly do.
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Have they ever had a physical team that ran hard and tackled hard ? The years they were good ( 3) they were still a soft team in a number of ways …relying on attacking brilliance ..
 
Vicious said:
I’ve got a few theories on why this happens, the main one being if takes virtually a full team of committed players running the ball harder and tackling harder than their opposition to asset their dominance and get on the front foot like the good teams regularly do.
We no doubt have our fair share of players capable of doing this, but we also have some that are not capable or mostly not willing to do it.
When a few are not uk ti it or not willing, it’s very deflating for the ones that are capable and willing.
What is your theory or reasoning behind it ?
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I agree people just aren’t committed 100% & that makes the big difference. I think players see this club as a ‘1 last pay day’ place to be as they get overs to be here. Very rarely would anyone leave here for more then what they were earning unless it’s a 18-22 yr old.
 
Vicious said:
He knocks defenders over like bowling pins, we haven’t had anyone do that since Sironen, Roach and Bruiser Clark.
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Big fan of him. Only question is whether is if he can be a pack leader, where Stef and Klemmer will be leaving a hole. Pole is a good consistent forward, not sure if he can be that pack leader we need
 
Assuming Stef is gone, I'm starting to hope he is at this point, I'd rather us go after more effort players than 30 minute impact forwards.

One our best this season has been Seyfarth, and it's not because he's more gifted than any other forwards in our top 30. If we can use Stef's money to find a couple of good experienced forwards known for their effort rather than Franklin Pele/Royce Hunt type of players we'll be better off IMO.

If we need impact, Jordan Miller with another off season can be this guy. Faagutu is another who can do it if he sorts out his defence.
 
rugbygoated said:
Big fan of him. Only question is whether is if he can be a pack leader, where Stef and Klemmer will be leaving a hole. Pole is a good consistent forward, not sure if he can be that pack leader we need
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Royce Hunt? Gunna need to play more minutes to be the forward leader they desperately need

Turns 29 next month …so not a spring chicken although hasn’t played a lot of games so maybe he might have a few years left
 
Tom Shines said:
Good point about Folkes ..can’t recall why he left …did he get another coaching job? ( I know he has passed away unfortunately)

Another thing I recall about the 2010-11 teams ..like 2005 ..is that they were down the bottom of the table mid season and strung together a number of games over the second half of the season to finish in the Top 4 …

They have never had a season where they have been near the top of the table all the way through … they are the anti Melbourne Storm … imagine one whole season where they are leading the comp all the way through …. Think the crowds might be going ok then ..
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We also lost players like Lui, the gambler, Dwyer, Tuaki, and then the bog 4. Imagine if all of them had played out their careers here.
Anyway that should all be ancient history but due to the ineptitude of former leaders of the club we all get to dwell on it.
Hopefully change is afoot.
 
Tom Shines said:
Royce Hunt? Gunna need to play more minutes to be the forward leader they desperately need

Turns 29 next month …so not a spring chicken although hasn’t played a lot of games so maybe he might have a few years left
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I know he's turning 29 but I think his best is ahead of him still. 2 questions are if we are a club that can get him playing good consistent footy and whether he can play big minutes
 
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batboy said:
Isn't that what I just said?

Without that talent - there wouldn't be a Grand final win and 2010 would be the least of our problems.
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Still more premierships than the Warriors, Eels Raiders and Titans combined and equal to the Sharks, Rabbits and Cowboys. It's very hard to win. Getting to the 8 is pointless if you don't win and nobody thinks about the losers in each GF - you get nothing for finishing 2nd (it's not the Olympics). We need to lift our sights higher than just the 8 - like that's something special.
 
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rugbygoated said:
I know he's turning 29 but I think his best is ahead of him still. 2 questions are if we are a club that can get him playing good consistent footy and whether he can play big minutes
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they are gunna need someone if Stef walks which seems likely … so I wouldn’t turn my nose up at him … but I’m hoping they sign him to a sensible deal like $550k a year and most importantly a maximum of three years ..
 
Nonotmeagain said:
Still more premierships than the Warriors, Eels Raiders and Titans combined and equal to the Sharks, Rabbits and Cowboys. It's very hard to win. Getting to the 8 is pointless if you don't win and nobody thinks about the losers in each GF - you get nothing for finishing 2nd (it's not the Olympics). We need to lift our sights higher than just the 8 - like that's something special.
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I agree that ultimately winning competitions is the aim… but the team needs some level of success …after an absolutely miserable run…even a year when they win half their games and still miss the 8 would be celebrated by a lot of people… this still seems years away though …
 
Tom Shines said:
Royce Hunt? Gunna need to play more minutes to be the forward leader they desperately need

Turns 29 next month …so not a spring chicken although hasn’t played a lot of games so maybe he might have a few years left
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If I'm Royce Hunt and told by Benji that 'come here, we want you to lead our middles, on & off the field, instil the steel & aggression in the middle we need & take your game to the next level, we'll get your fitness up to play the first 20 mins & last 20 mins of matches', I'm fired up!

Royce is a beast, doesn't take a backward step, runs hard, scores off crash plays & hits hard. He's played in the RWC final for Samoa with Luai.

He's the victim of being one of many middles at the Sharks so his minutes do get limited but he has played 40+ mins in games/tests.

C'mon Shinesy, get on the Royce train toot toot
 
Nonotmeagain said:
Still more premierships than the Warriors, Eels Raiders and Titans combined and equal to the Sharks, Rabbits and Cowboys. It's very hard to win. Getting to the 8 is pointless if you don't win and nobody thinks about the losers in each GF - you get nothing for finishing 2nd (it's not the Olympics). We need to lift our sights higher than just the 8 - like that's something special.
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Do yourself a favour and get the context of the comment.
But while we’re hear - most Teams in the 8 including those you’ve mentioned, don’t have trouble attracting talent…
Also don’t get bashed in the media from pillar to post every day…
 
Nonotmeagain said:
Still more premierships than the Warriors, Eels Raiders and Titans combined and equal to the Sharks, Rabbits and Cowboys. It's very hard to win. Getting to the 8 is pointless if you don't win and nobody thinks about the losers in each GF - you get nothing for finishing 2nd (it's not the Olympics). We need to lift our sights higher than just the 8 - like that's something special.
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You have to set SMART goals. Winning a GF at the moment does not satisfy the parameters.
 
BlackWhiteGold said:
If I'm Royce Hunt and told by Benji that 'come here, we want you to lead our middles, on & off the field, instil the steel & aggression in the middle we need & take your game to the next level, we'll get your fitness up to play the first 20 mins & last 20 mins of matches', I'm fired up!

Royce is a beast, doesn't take a backward step, runs hard, scores off crash plays & hits hard. He's played in the RWC final for Samoa with Luai.

He's the victim of being one of many middles at the Sharks so his minutes do get limited but he has played 40+ mins in games/tests.

C'mon Shinesy, get on the Royce train toot toot
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The problem I’ve had is that there is literally nothing to connect him to Wests …. No rumours or media talk,,,nothing …

Do you think he might be in demand from other clubs ? If the answer is yes …then how will they get him to come here ? Let me guess … by paying him more money than he deserves over a longer contract than what you should give to a 29 yr old … I just don’t see Richo doing that .. and I wouldn’t want him too..

Besides …If I’m going to have a pipe dream about a prop with next to no chance of actually coming here than it’s going to be about AFB or Fisher Harris…
 
Vicious said:
Is Api as good as prime Farah - Equal
Is Luai as good as prime Scott Prince -JL is much better. Once in a generation player.
Is Galvin as good as Benji - Never will be, not a snowflakes
Is Bula as good as Hodgson -Never will be. No freak quality.
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batboy said:
Do yourself a favour and get the context of the comment.
But while we’re hear - most Teams in the 8 including those you’ve mentioned, don’t have trouble attracting talent…
Also don’t get bashed in the media from pillar to post every day…
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Agreed.
Making the finals most seasons opens a lot of doors. You raise your ability to be determined as a destination club, thus attracting better talent on and off the field, you attract better sponsors all round, with 3rd party sponsorships a highlight and greater exposure equals more memberships and revenue.
 
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Tom Shines said:
The problem I’ve had is that there is literally nothing to connect him to Wests …. No rumours or media talk,,,nothing …

Do you think he might be in demand from other clubs ? If the answer is yes …then how will they get him to come here ? Let me guess … by paying him more money than he deserves over a longer contract than what you should give to a 29 yr old … I just don’t see Richo doing that .. and I wouldn’t want him too..

Besides …If I’m going to have a pipe dream about a prop with next to no chance of actually coming here than it’s going to be about AFB or Fisher Harris…
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No media talk is a good thing, Richo is keeping recruitment water-tight, look at the Turuva example.

Connection - the Samoan connection with Luai & he's close to Reuben Porter via family.

Opportunity - to be a leader & 'the man' of the pack which he won't get anywhere else. It all depends what his aspirations are.
 
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