2025 Assistant Coach Options

Disagree.

Madge is a high intensity, simple game plan coach.

He didn't have a squad with any commitment or heart.

Wests Tigers didn't know how good he was.

Madge, Benji and Richo would be amazing
Players haven’t responded to that for 10 years though . Thats literally the back end of my generation leading into the next.
Which like it or not is very indicative of the wider generational stereotypes . I’m not sold the smash your head on a locker , whilst rage against the machine is hammering in the background can work in a week to week setting anymore . For origin or internationals for sure , because there’s an inbuilt pride already there . But for how many players does that translate to their club team ? I mean it absolutely should . But it doesn’t . It’s why what the storm and panthers have tapped into is really special . If a little boring .
 
I'll back Hodgo. The ex player thing doesnt bother me never has as long as they do a good job. Every coach is accountable on the back of results. Much prefer someone who has a vested interest in the club doing well because of connection.
 
I have heard so many here complaining about Benji’s coaching ability. None of it has been backed up by fact – less winning the spoon. This is not a post about supporting Benji so don't get upset yet. This is on topic - follow the logic.

Our team this year did play well, in patches, was diabolical, in patches, and was average for the most part. What we lacked was consistency and strength – this is a combination of the roster and age/development of many of our players. It is also related to our lack of depth.

Being a coach at this level requires two things – the support of the players and the club. Benji, at this point in time has both. Being successful as a coach at this level requires something else; good systems. Look at the clubs that do it well - Penrith, Storm, Roosters, Cronulla. What they do well is have creative players executing within a well drilled system. They also have the ability to select players from depth; the next man up policy. This is the beauty of having systems in place.

The added benefit of developing good systems is that players can be attracted to the long term benefits as opposed to "the coach". I suspect that this is why when Bennet leaves clubs they take a while to recover - he, as the individual, attracts and develops players as opposed to developing the supporting systems. Des Hasler is another who is about the here and now.

Sheens was bought in to develop a support system to enable the club; but with clowns in charge of the circus he ended up as the coach. A system that, at its foundation, is based on providing a pathway to develop local talent given the pool we have to select from.

Richo is also a systems guy. He took over a circus, inherited the foundations of a system, and quickly put in place a plan to turn the club around. The circus tents were torn down, some clown appointees were moved on and the leaks were stopped. He inherited Benji, the coaching staff and the roster we had so 2024 was all about providing a stable platform the build from.

While we didn't perform well on the field, you can, if you look closely, see the systems starting to have an influence. We started with a very predictable attack, yet by the end of the year we had players in motion and were scoring points. Our line speed and kick chase was there for a good period of a few games and for patches in many. That demonstrates that they have been shown what to do – the issue is that we didn't have the roster, fitness, size or skill set to execute it for the full 80 minutes or week in week out.

Put losing a couple of players who want results tomorrow aside and consider where we are heading.

In 2025 we will have a first class 7 and 9 along with a solid but developing 1. Galvin will improve - especially with Luai taking much of the load. Bird provides utility (I expect as a 13 with the ability of being able to fill in across the board). Hunt can bend the line. Skelton provides a kicking target and between him, Taruva and Olam we have the ability to get back out of our end on kick return. Add to that 1/2 dozen reserve grade acquisitions to support AD, Sullivan, and Naden in Reggies, along with those blooded this year, and we have some depth pushing for FG spots.

This is the foundation we need and, provided the systems are right, the ability to have consistency in execution across the grades. We are still short a couple of quality forwards for 2025, but with a ball playing lock (Bird) and two quality halves what we really require is for more from the likes of Seyfarth, Sione F and Twal and for one of Jorgenson or Miller to develop this off season to do OK in 25.

Benji isn't your everyday coach and he didn't serve a long apprenticeship. So what? The key is that he has the player’s and CEO’s support and his actions and words match the plan – rebuilding the club. What we need is experienced support staff to assist him implementing the systems.

I'm not overly concerned with the attack side of the house - you could see that develop over last year. The addition of Luai will make a big difference and take a load off Api/TDS. Our defensive system, on the other hand, has fluctuated between great and disgusting - depending on what week. So, they can do it.

Consistency is the key. That comes down to strength and conditioning. Who we get to support Benji will make a difference, but the step change will be built on the back of the improved roster and an offseason for our kids in the gym, to put on some beef, combined with a strong pre-season. For mine the key changes in the coaching staff need to be: an assistant from a well-developed system supported by off the ball specialists in strength, conditioning and wrestling.

For the first time in a decade, we aren't lurching from coach to coach as part of a shit show. The clowns have been replaced and Benji has the support of the players and Richo. As long as we improve in 2025 (and I think the evidence suggests that we will) I think Benji is safe. 2026 is probably the make or break for Benji as an NRL coach.
 
I have heard so many here complaining about Benji’s coaching ability. None of it has been backed up by fact – less winning the spoon. This is not a post about supporting Benji so don't get upset yet. This is on topic - follow the logic.

Our team this year did play well, in patches, was diabolical, in patches, and was average for the most part. What we lacked was consistency and strength – this is a combination of the roster and age/development of many of our players. It is also related to our lack of depth.

Being a coach at this level requires two things – the support of the players and the club. Benji, at this point in time has both. Being successful as a coach at this level requires something else; good systems. Look at the clubs that do it well - Penrith, Storm, Roosters, Cronulla. What they do well is have creative players executing within a well drilled system. They also have the ability to select players from depth; the next man up policy. This is the beauty of having systems in place.

The added benefit of developing good systems is that players can be attracted to the long term benefits as opposed to "the coach". I suspect that this is why when Bennet leaves clubs they take a while to recover - he, as the individual, attracts and develops players as opposed to developing the supporting systems. Des Hasler is another who is about the here and now.

Sheens was bought in to develop a support system to enable the club; but with clowns in charge of the circus he ended up as the coach. A system that, at its foundation, is based on providing a pathway to develop local talent given the pool we have to select from.

Richo is also a systems guy. He took over a circus, inherited the foundations of a system, and quickly put in place a plan to turn the club around. The circus tents were torn down, some clown appointees were moved on and the leaks were stopped. He inherited Benji, the coaching staff and the roster we had so 2024 was all about providing a stable platform the build from.

While we didn't perform well on the field, you can, if you look closely, see the systems starting to have an influence. We started with a very predictable attack, yet by the end of the year we had players in motion and were scoring points. Our line speed and kick chase was there for a good period of a few games and for patches in many. That demonstrates that they have been shown what to do – the issue is that we didn't have the roster, fitness, size or skill set to execute it for the full 80 minutes or week in week out.

Put losing a couple of players who want results tomorrow aside and consider where we are heading.

In 2025 we will have a first class 7 and 9 along with a solid but developing 1. Galvin will improve - especially with Luai taking much of the load. Bird provides utility (I expect as a 13 with the ability of being able to fill in across the board). Hunt can bend the line. Skelton provides a kicking target and between him, Taruva and Olam we have the ability to get back out of our end on kick return. Add to that 1/2 dozen reserve grade acquisitions to support AD, Sullivan, and Naden in Reggies, along with those blooded this year, and we have some depth pushing for FG spots.

This is the foundation we need and, provided the systems are right, the ability to have consistency in execution across the grades. We are still short a couple of quality forwards for 2025, but with a ball playing lock (Bird) and two quality halves what we really require is for more from the likes of Seyfarth, Sione F and Twal and for one of Jorgenson or Miller to develop this off season to do OK in 25.

Benji isn't your everyday coach and he didn't serve a long apprenticeship. So what? The key is that he has the player’s and CEO’s support and his actions and words match the plan – rebuilding the club. What we need is experienced support staff to assist him implementing the systems.

I'm not overly concerned with the attack side of the house - you could see that develop over last year. The addition of Luai will make a big difference and take a load off Api/TDS. Our defensive system, on the other hand, has fluctuated between great and disgusting - depending on what week. So, they can do it.

Consistency is the key. That comes down to strength and conditioning. Who we get to support Benji will make a difference, but the step change will be built on the back of the improved roster and an offseason for our kids in the gym, to put on some beef, combined with a strong pre-season. For mine the key changes in the coaching staff need to be: an assistant from a well-developed system supported by off the ball specialists in strength, conditioning and wrestling.

For the first time in a decade, we aren't lurching from coach to coach as part of a shit show. The clowns have been replaced and Benji has the support of the players and Richo. As long as we improve in 2025 (and I think the evidence suggests that we will) I think Benji is safe. 2026 is probably the make or break for Benji as an NRL coach.

A thoughtful post and i don't disagree with it,however i still believe we need to improve our pigs and even more importantly get a solid experienced assistant coach from outside the club (no more old boys although Ellis would be acceptable)
 
A thoughtful post and i don't disagree with it,however i still believe we need to improve our pigs and even more importantly get a solid experienced assistant coach from outside the club (no more old boys although Ellis would be acceptable)
I agree - we are definitely a couple of pigs short at the moment, but there is an off season in front of us and we gave an early release to Large so who knows what Richo will be delivering us for Christmas. I'm not even that bothered with the scuttlebutt that Hodgo may come across (although wouldn't be my first choice). Hodgo has experience and has been exposed to NRL, SL and Rugby Systems so he may be able to bring something across that other clubs don't have yet. The key is that they can work up attacking and defensive systems that allow Benji to give the spine free reign to play what they see.

The top sides have the line speed because they slow the ruck right down. The Chooks more so than Penrith and the Storm. The Chooks, as the most penalised side in the comp, have a defensive system that alows them to cover for this method; as long as they aren't playing Melbourne/Penrith who have the defence to stop them scoring points and the attack to make them pay for the penalties they concede. Many sides, us included, can't match their attack; which brings their strike players into play. Walker had to sit out for a bit and go back to Ressies understand the system. That time taken to learn the system enabled him to improve the overall attack of the team.

The flair in attack comes off the back of structure. You simply can't play quality ad lib footy without it. Cleary knowing he can kick to the edges within the 30 and a winger will be there isn't some magic - the wingers are stationed there in attack; they don't creep in so if he sees the opportunity he just lays it on. Luai doesn't kick for Martin beside the posts off the cuff - Martin has a place to be in the system and runs a line that enbles him to be hit with the ball, used as a foil or be on the move for the kick. Same for Munster, they say he doesn't know what he's gong to do next, and neither do his team mates, but they run the lines the system dictates and he picks an option on the fly.

This is the type of system we need to develop as our DNA. Plus invest in our strength, wrestling and conditioning overall to compete.
 
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This is a theory about who the new assistant coach may be. I was listening to Woodsy's podcast with Chris Lawrence (I posted the link in the Signing Rumours & Suggestions thread) and he talks about how so many current NRL coaches & assistants were players under Sheens.

I wonder whether Benji wants the new assistant to have this experience so it's an easier transition to coach the style he wants to coach.

And I'm going a step further by reducing the list to players who Benji played with given he big he is on trust.

So 3 names I'll put forward under this theory are ...

- Brett Hodgson (name already dropped to Brent Read last week)
- Gareth Ellis
- Scott Prince (current Broncos NRLW coach, in semi-finals for 2nd consecutive year)

Another one who wasn't a player under Sheens but an assistant coach to him for one season (when Benji played in that team in 2012)

- Steve Georgallis (current Eels NRLW coach)
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Oof another boys club signing...

Loved him as a player, but he hasn't done much as a coach...

I know he had a bit to do with Eddie Jones for England and Australia, so hopefully he's learnt a bit since his time at Hull...

He's not someone who's going to call Benji out. Nor someone I would consider an experienced coach...

This is a really poor appointment and I'm pretty disappointed by it.
 
I loved Hodgo as a player ...but he is very inexperienced as a coach and had little or no success in coaching

IMHO .....bad call Richo
Very inexperienced ? Has been coaching in top level League or Union since 2013. Has been hired as assistant by Cleary and Eddie Jones (twice) 2 exceptional coaches, coached Magpies to the finals when with us previously and had Hull FC 8/11 till Covid blew apart his team.
 

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