Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[just old magpie]

Reported at the time of Newcastle moving him on was that his game was more about
getting his numbers than winning the contest....
To the point it was discussed on TV.
Seems he's still got some super coaches fooled.

I have no real problem having Twal, Klemmer or Seyfarth in the 17....
I don't really rate any of them as a top line player - But I can wear one of them in our best 17 no problem.

Having to wear the whole 3 of them plodding along out there - is infuriating.
Even more so, because we get to buy and choose from 36 Players
- And they're the best we can come up with in the same position.

Don't understand the hate for Twal his defence is good and he's improved with the ball even offloads sometimes much prefer him to Klemmer .

 

[Year_of_the_Tiger]

Where art thou @kade7 ?! 🙏

 

[mtd#2]

My mates son , played at the storm last before moving to the panthers this year , when I asked him what was the difference in training between the two , he said the storm was harder running wise , but the panthers drills where a lot harder , he said both made many throw up and they were spent every session. Can we send both clubs a request for there pre season play book

I find it hard to beleive its not like this at all clubs (blokes pukeing). I played some junior reps and the training was a killer. That was probably 20 years ago now, and they are fitter these days. It's why I can't believe Royce Hunt is as unfit as he is

 

[mtd#2]

Clubs like Penrith and Melbourne have developed their identities over years, with stable coaching and clear philosophies that the players can adapt to and thrive under. Benji's methods don’t fully account for the context he’s stepped into, so certain critiques of him (and our pathways) are probably a little premature given the lack of continuity. While it’s reasonable to compare us to benchmark teams, it’s a bit unfair to overlook the foundational work done by their coaching staff. For instance, John Donehue (Melbourne's wrestling coach) has been with them since 2004, just a year after Bellamy's appointment, and the Penrith Panthers junior academy has been in place since 2016. These long-term commitments to coaching and development are key to their success, something the Tigers are still striving to establish.

As Benji builds his own roster and implements his vision, some judgments should probably be reserved until there’s more time to assess how he can shape the team and its culture. Feel it’s also important to recognise that the dynamics and ages of our current roster will largely influence how he manages them, both psychologically and physically. With several 18 year olds, building confidence and trust are likely his main goals as he’s trying to foster an environment that supports their development.

Post more often.

 

[The Chad]

All basics being roughly equal he beats Klemmer by a country mile in tackle breaks and off loads. That's is precisely what we desperately lack.

Kaufusi vs Klemmer- yes, tackle breaks & offloads are way different. But it's what we lack?

Pole had 45 tackle breaks for the season. THe message board villian Part 2- Alex Twal had 28. Our new forward recruit Royce Hunt had 30. I'd say across the forward pack, 'impact' is had in abundance. The offloads are way down on ALL Tigers middles- which raises questions on how they were instructed for mine.

 

[mtd#2]

Stefano had 97 tackle breaks this season compared to Kaufusi's 36.

How'd that help our pack?

I'm not against Oregon, but tackle breaks is anything but 'precisely what we desperately lack'.

An absolutely nothing came from them! I thought to myself this year if he developed an offload then he could have been a threat. Maybe that's Bellamy's plan.

 

[mtd#2]

Exactly, and he was 10 minutes off a premiership 12 months earlier.

And the other 3 seasons didn't make the finals

 

[weststigersfinals2025]

We may have had a poor season still, sure.
Would we have capitulated to secure our third spoon in a row? Doubt it.

Another 2 players who some good ITKs on here (Kade7 & Teddy23) have mentioned over the past month are Brian To’o & Tyson Frizell.

I think your disregarding the fact we had half of our top 30 out for majority of the season I don’t think we would of secured a third wooden spoon if that hadn’t happened

 

[The Chad]

Late to the convo , but yes klemmer is good for yardage but the problem is they are slow . He fights for those extra PCM and the defensive line is generally set , he generally has slow ptb

Also his general demeanour during a game would be off putting he gets angry and frustrated which I think effects everyone else

Actually, his play of the ball speed, or lack there of, has been overblown. I could find more stats on that if needed- I've posted them before.

 

[Tucker]

I think your disregarding the fact we had half of our top 30 out for majority of the season I don’t think we would of secured a third wooden spoon if that hadn’t happened

I think you are disregarding the fact that he coached here last year as well and had 2 pre seasons leading into this spoon.

 

[Dennisspicer1]

And so he should….a 3 peat spoon is unheard of

Parra won 6 spoons in a row 1956 - 57 - 58 - 59 - 60 - 61
Knights 2015 - 2016 - 2017
Also Bulldogs have 3 in a row
So to the Wabbits 3 in a row
So, yes it's bad we had 3 in a row but we are not alone.

And West won 3 in a row,
way back.

 

[cktiger]

Sounds the same to me.
I want to play 5/8. You have put roadblocks in my way. I want out of this club.

Well it’s not.
I can’t help if you can’t see a difference.

 

[The Chad]

While you're pointing out Dumb Arguments,
the actual comment I came into this was that Klemmer, Seyfarth and Twal
walk into a successful teams top 17....

In all your stats
- I'm yet to see which 3 players in the top 17 of which successful club, are these 3
waltzing in over the top of?

There's no way a top team has those 3 blokes in their top 17.

You ALSO called them low impact- just pointing out that statistically, that Klemmer in the least has as much impact in most catagories as the guy nearly to a man on this board is suggested as our saviour.

But- if you want a team that Twal, Klemmer & Seyfarth could in theory put enough numbers together to crack the top 17..

SOO Forward (Starter)
24 Games
4 tackle breaks
501 PCM
3 offloads
94.9% tackle efficiency
72 run metres per game

Bench Forward (Highly wanted on this message board)
23 games
36 tackle breaks
635 PCM
4 offloads
96.3% tackle efficiency
80 run metres per game

Starting Prop
22 games
17 tackle breaks
873.1 PCM
0 Offloads
95.7% tackle efficiency
102 run metres per game

Bench Prop
9 games
16 tackle breaks
328.5 PCM
3 offloads
89.8% tackle efficiency
101 run metres per game

Bench Middle
22 games
23 tackle breaks
735.9 PCM
12 offloads
88.9% tackle efficiency
112 run metres per game

Bench backrower
21 games
34 tackle breaks
635 PCM
3 offloads
86.8% tackle efficiency
81 run metres per game

I give you- Manly
Jake T
Ethan Bullemoor
Joah Aliaoi
Matt Lodge
Nathan Brown
Ben T

For comparison-
Twal
18 Games
28 tackle breaks
565 PCM
6 offloads
97.2% tackle efficiency
80 run metres per game

Seyfarth
23 games
21 tackle breaks
701.8 PCM
16 offloads
94.5% tackle efficiency
75 run metres per game

I'd say our 1 dimensional low impact plodders at the very least hold up to the forwards that finals playing Manly put on the field.

Before you rant that neither Klemmer, Twal or Seyfarth are exceedingly better than these Manly forwards- my point is they are not worse either.

I could have given the Storm numbers, Dolphins numbers...even the Sharks to a degree. Canterbury.

Klemmer, Twal & Seyfarth are not the problem. In fact, in a poor overall defensive team, it can be argued all 3 need to be on the field more.

Our issue (IMO) is that we have started our sets of six too far in our territory for any of our forwards to ever exceed in impact plays. Our return on metres from tackles 1 & 2, from our outside backs, are some of the worst numbers in the NRL. Hopefully Turuva & Skelton can help with that.

We have all the impact we need from Pole, Hunt & Sione Fainu.

 

[jirskyr]

Jesse never played under Madge?

Maybe it was Ivan the Terrible and I've wiped it from my memory. Point being any coach flogging players.

 

[jirskyr]

Total rubbish. He’s had success everywhere else he’s been. He was stuck here with horrible admin and horrible contracts with Packer, Mbye, Reynolds on 2.4M combined. The problem was us not him.

I’d rather have him back than the old boys of 2005.

Well at least with Broncos we will have some more data to see if Madge really can coach or not. Successful at Wigan, great success and failure at Rabbits, mostly failing at Tigers, pretty decent results with Kiwis and NSW... another set of data will help.

If Madge does well at Broncos it really does paint Tigers in a bad light, the only place that was so far gone that he couldn't get a result.

 

[jirskyr]

Weird argument.

Message Board Target Kaufusi- 873.3 PCM

Message Board Villian Klemmer- 846.5 PCM

Kaufusi- 84m per game average
Klemmer- 101m per game average

Kaufusi 95.1% tackle effeciency
Klemmer 96.4% tackle effeciency

Kaufusi- 2186 run metres
Klemmer - 2023 run metres

The only areas Kaufusi is significantly superior to Klemmer is tackle breaks (36 v 15) & offloads (32 v 5)

Klemmer is guilty of not being a flashy, explosive forward. Luckily the Tigers have 2-3 of those guys in Hunt, Pole & Sione Fainu on the books.

Not sure how Kaufusi fixes what ails the Tigers in place of poor old boring Klemmer.

What about PTB speed? That's my main complaint with Klemmer, my feeling is he slows down our sets too much once he's tackled.

 

[The Chad]

Surely we are not signing the 2 most limited forwards out of a bad sharks pack

I actually don't mind Rudolph as a recruit. Not sure who he replaces. To be honest- he's probably a better Utoikamanu replacement than Hunt.

All that said- I think Utoikamanu's real replacement has to be Pole. There isn't a better option available as far as I can see. Hunt then becomes what Pole was last season.

 

[Tucker]

Well it’s not.
I can’t help if you can’t see a difference.

Ok.
Maybe I need to be a hypocrite?

 

[The Chad]

What about PTB speed? That's my main complaint with Klemmer, my feeling is he slows down our sets too much once he's tackled.

Not the answer you are looking for- but you might find it interesting:

If play the ball speed means something but mostly nothing, what is a better metric? - The Rugby League Eye Test

Play the ball speed and “tunnel ball” has been in the NRL news cycle over the past week, on the back of a story by Adam Pengilly in THIS MASTHEAD the Sydney Morning Herald. In this article, Pengilly noted that as the Panthers ran down Parramatta during the final minutes of their game in Round...

www.rugbyleagueeyetest.com

The last bit- tries scored after play of the balls....Luia & Royce Hunt rate high

 

[Droppy05]

Parra won 6 spoons in a row 1956 - 57 - 58 - 59 - 60 - 61
Knights 2015 - 2016 - 2017
Also Bulldogs have 3 in a row
So to the Wabbits 3 in a row
So, yes it's bad we had 3 in a row but we are not alone.

And West won 3 in a row,
way back.

What is your point? We are the worst team in the comp. by a long stretch.