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can you get on J D Vance to win the 2028 election now

media and democrats tried to throw the kitchen sink at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon,
Nothing they can say about J D Vance can be as bad ...
 
Kelce68 said:
Mainly because most of it's subjective, long-bow drawing, biased rhetoric. It's catastrophising, hyperbolic, inaccurate, coercive nonsense.

It's also the one-sided analysis for me. Have the Dem noms never lied? Did Dem senators not call for 'no justice, no peace' during the BLM riots?

Do direct quotes matter anymore?

'I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. '

That was the DIRECT quote re; Jan 6th. This has been done to death. That is objectively, irrefutably and importantly, a call for peaceful protest and the right to assemble.

To say anything else is a perception and, generally, one grounded in bias.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is not Hitler.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is not a fascist.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is not a 'threat to democracy'.

These are all Dem-promoted falsehoods. You critiquing those, too?

I do not like the way Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon goes about his business, nor do I think he represents a model citizen or bastion for democracy in The West, but he speaks to an everyman that is tired of being censored, manipulated and demonised for their varied views, are tired of having propaganda shoved down their throat in the name of diversity and equity and, generally, would like to be left alone to live their lives in a country that prioritises their own countrymen.

Like it or not, a great proportion of US citizens are tired of the Democrats' weak immigration policies, their attacks on masculinity and the general feeling of everything being shit in their country.

They have a right to vote for a candidate that they feel will have their best interests at heart and not be called 'garbage' for daring to disagree with who they're being told they SHOULD vote for.
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You are making excuses for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, of all the things he has done. It cannot be justified. Any other Republican candidate you will have a fair case, but Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is beyond any norms or politics, he is literally and factually a cheat, liar and felon.

You can't split hairs about what happened on January 6th, it's pathetic. He brings together his worst and most dangerous supporters, stokes them up, but you pull out one quote and try and claim it was a peaceful protest. Even if you are right and he did mean peace, the fact he could not predict or control or understand the violent tendencies of those supporters is already more than enough to make him unfit to become President a second time. The fact he was in any way involved in a riot to attack the Capitol building is indefensible, as is the fact he sat there in his office watching the telly whilst everyone around him begged for defensive action to quell the mob.

We aren't critiquing George Bush or Barack Obama here, this is a man who has literally said the things he's said and provably factually done many bad things he's been accused of.
 
Kelce68 said:
On election day?
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Yeah, around midday our time. The early vote was breaking in Clinton's favour but that was due to the order in which polling stations were reporting their votes. The polling had heavily favoured Clinton so people didn't question the early results. And even when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon drew ahead, it was by the barest of margins in a handful of battleground states. The popular vote was tracking for a relatively emphatic victory for Clinton, so again people doubted when momentum in the battleground states shifted to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon
 
So this doesn’t have a 2020 feel about it? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got out to a big lead, only to get reeled back in once all the mail ins started getting counted.
 
jirskyr said:
It should be irrelevant but it's not, let's not be blind. If you want to reach X type of voters, it doesn't hurt to have X type of person carry the message.

Also if it's irrelevant, why do Republican supporters keep making references to DEI hire? Why did Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon continually raise questions about her race and other about her fitness as a mother, about the previous relationships she's had, about the fact her partner is Jewish etc.
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Again, be accurate.

I didn't say it IS irrelevant, I said it SHOULD BE.

The fact DEI nonsense exists is the very thing that Republicans are attacking and criticising it.

Because it shouldn't exist.

Rep's motivations there aren't very difficult to comprehend.
 
Btw for any Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon fans worried about a repeat or 2020 when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon started strong before Biden surged ahead,, that was a result of postal ballots which strongly favoured Biden being counted after election day ballots. That phenomenon won't be repeated this election.

Perish the thought for some of us, but Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon may even overcome 20 years of history and win the popular vote.

Harris' concession speech should come sometime tonight. I just hope the Democrats don't storm the capital or launch baseless fraud claims to try to subvert the will of the people. This has been a crushing blow but it's democracy in action. Now for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to deliver on his platform. Personally, I think it'll end in abject failure and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will grow increasingly batsh*t crazy, but you have to respect the overwhelming will of the American people.
 
Kelce68 said:
Mainly because most of it's subjective, long-bow drawing, biased rhetoric. It's catastrophising, hyperbolic, inaccurate, coercive nonsense.

It's also the one-sided analysis for me. Have the Dem noms never lied? Did Dem senators not call for 'no justice, no peace' during the BLM riots?

Do direct quotes matter anymore?

'I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. '

That was the DIRECT quote re; Jan 6th. This has been done to death. That is objectively, irrefutably and importantly, a call for peaceful protest and the right to assemble.

To say anything else is a perception and, generally, one grounded in bias.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is not Hitler.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is not a fascist.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is not a 'threat to democracy'.

These are all Dem-promoted falsehoods. You critiquing those, too?

I do not like the way Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon goes about his business, nor do I think he represents a model citizen or bastion for democracy in The West, but he speaks to an everyman that is tired of being censored, manipulated and demonised for their varied views, are tired of having propaganda shoved down their throat in the name of diversity and equity and, generally, would like to be left alone to live their lives in a country that prioritises their own countrymen.

Like it or not, a great proportion of US citizens are tired of the Democrats' weak immigration policies, their attacks on masculinity and the general feeling of everything being shit in their country.

They have a right to vote for a candidate that they feel will have their best interests at heart and not be called 'garbage' for daring to disagree with who they're being told they SHOULD vote for.
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We may disagree, but I completely understand and agree with the 2nd part of your argument. I really dislike of the ultra-left and the way that the demonization has become part of the mantra for people who disagree with them. The youtube videos of the college kids arguing with Charlie Kirk was just cringe and anger inducing.

I think the top part is what we disagree on. The way that he has cozied up to dictators, treated his own staff who have disagreed with him, pushed to retain power with the phone calls to Georgia, pressured Pence and continues to say he won the last election with no evidence, are just too many red flags to ignore. It's fascist like behaviour so I think the statement that he is not, is where we disagree.

The virus thing you picked up on is part of that frustration. The way he managed that and failed to support the non-partisan, science backed, approach from fauci was despicable. It's another red flag.

I think the saving grace for him this time is that he can only serve 1 term. There will not be an opportunity for him to hold onto power.
 
jirskyr said:
You are making excuses for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, of all the things he has done. It cannot be justified. Any other Republican candidate you will have a fair case, but Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is beyond any norms or politics, he is literally and factually a cheat, liar and felon.

You can't split hairs about what happened on January 6th, it's pathetic. He brings together his worst and most dangerous supporters, stokes them up, but you pull out one quote and try and claim it was a peaceful protest. Even if you are right and he did mean peace, the fact he could not predict or control or understand the violent tendencies of those supporters is already more than enough to make him unfit to become President a second time. The fact he was in any way involved in a riot to attack the Capitol building is indefensible, as is the fact he sat there in his office watching the telly whilst everyone around him begged for defensive action to quell the mob.

We aren't critiquing George Bush or Barack Obama here, this is a man who has literally said the things he's said and provably factually done many bad things he's been accused of.
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Are you concussed?

I quoted him. Verbatim. I didn't 'make' a damn thing.

That, and only that, is the most direct way to analyse someone's messaging. What they bloody well say.

You're off in the weeds, bud.

Also... still no critique of the Dems indiscretions for balance here.
 
In the last election, I was laughing at the Republicans praying for a combination of divine intervention, a declaration of Marshall law or any of the 66 farcical court challenges to succeed. This is a humbling loss for the Democrats but accepting the result and moving on fast will be better in the long-run. If Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon acts on any of his authoritarian impulses, then fight back like hell, but otherwise his mandate needs to be respected.
 
TV Ted Ellery said:
Btw for any Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon fans worried about a repeat or 2020 when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon started strong before Biden surged ahead,, that was a result of postal ballots which strongly favoured Biden being counted after election day ballots. That phenomenon won't be repeated this election.

Perish the thought for some of us, but Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon may even overcome 20 years of history and win the popular vote.

Harris' concession speech should come sometime tonight. I just hope the Democrats don't storm the capital or launch baseless fraud claims to try to subvert the will of the people. This has been a crushing blow but it's democracy in action. Now for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to deliver on his platform. Personally, I think it'll end in abject failure and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will grow increasingly batsh*t crazy, but you have to respect the overwhelming will of the American people.
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Getting a bit ahead of yourself old sport. There is still a good 75-80 million votes to be counted. GA and PA is still in play.
 
Dang, Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has won NC despite the black nazi governor candidate distracting from his campaign. I got that one wrong.

At least the emphatic nature of his victory will help people accept the results and none of the craziness of the last election comes to pass.
 
Jedi_Tiger said:
can you get on J D Vance to win the 2028 election now

media and democrats tried to throw the kitchen sink at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon,
Nothing they can say about J D Vance can be as bad ...
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I'm not convinced that other Republicans have the same special sauce as Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to reach his people as intently.

If Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was to win, the dark horse I'd back would be him not relinquishing the presidency in 4 years time, or manoeuvring to get one of his kids in line next.
 
jirskyr said:
I'm not convinced that other Republicans have the same special sauce as Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to reach his people as intently.

If Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was to win, the dark horse I'd back would be him not relinquishing the presidency in 4 years time, or manoeuvring to get one of his kids in line next.
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Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon Jr. would have to be $1.01 to run for president at some stage in the next 10 years
 
GNR4LIFE said:
Getting a bit ahead of yourself old sport. There is still a good 75-80 million votes to be counted. GA and PA is still in play.
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Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is unfit to run 50m let alone the most important country in the world. But he has absolutely belted Harris, exceeding most people's expectations by some margin.

Acceptance is the first step to improvement. Hoping for a miracle is a waste of time. Like many populists before him, Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will promis the world and achieve fk all. But let him be judged by his record this time around.
 
TV Ted Ellery said:
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is unfit to run 50m let alone the most important country in the world. But he has absolutely belted Harris, exceeding most people's expectations by some margin.

Acceptance is the first step to improvement. Hoping for a miracle is a waste of time. Like many populists before him, Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will promis the world and achieve fk all. But let him be judged by his record this time around.
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Yawn
 
Polymarket is predicting:
78% chance of GOP winning the House of Reps
97% chance of the GOP winning the Senate
85% chance of the GOP winning the Presidency
Giving them control of the Executive and Legislative branches of Government
 
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