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hammertime said:
You hit a key word. Representatives. They need to have a lens of the members (owners) first and foremost with every decision.
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That’s true but it is subjective nonetheless.

But this petition goes above HBG WA members. When those members signed on, they became members subject to the constitution and by laws of the club.........whose structure has existed for decades.

Probably, most people signing the petition aren't even members of WA.

If you have a question bring it up for vote at WA.

Perhaps we could petition for the return of Wayde, and Gilbert?

Or the exclusion of Burgess and Romero.

But you can't call into question the way the club is set up. 30k have signed up under conditions as they are.
 
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cochise said:
Who are the owners?
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But you still haven't answered my pertinent question 1st.


You associated Parramatta's governance failures, illegalities re their salary cap issues with HBG.......hence your proposition to present the petition to Liquor and Gaming and the minister of Gaming.

What's the petition questioning?

Illegalities re structure?

Unconstitutional behaviour and compliance?

What is the purpose of the petition? Lack of compliance re governance?

What is implied or accused that you would ask the minister and Liquor and Gaming to act on?
 
Magpie_Magic said:
But you still haven't answered my pertinent question 1st.


You associated Parramatta's governance failures, illegalities re their salary cap issues with HBG.......hence your proposition to present the petition to Liquor and Gaming and the minister of Gaming.

What's the petition questioning?

Illegalities re structure?

Unconstitutional behaviour and compliance?

What is the purpose of the petition? Lack of compliance re governance?

What is implied or accused that you would ask the minister and Liquor and Gaming to act on?
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I think we have already answered that in the press release, pods and petition.
 
batboy said:
Are you here for any other reason than to peddle the Magpies and Haunt Cochise?
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Seems to be in some kind of cognitive decline or something else has happened as a catalyst for such attention seeking behaviour.

Hard to reconcile that it’s the same guy that posted as ‘magpies1963’ only a couple of years ago (if I’ve got that right?) Was off on a round Australia trip?

Either way “don’t feed the troll” is probably the easiest approach. He’s just inventing more and more outlandish bullshit with each post.
 
Magpie_Magic said:
Subjective

They can exercise that prerogative as representatives of the ownership.

Not to say they should, however.

But we can't link other issues.
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Seriously???

You continue to ignore the context of the gross over-representation of a small group of faceless debenture holders on the HBG Board - where they are able to install a permament voting block of FIVE directors with only two popularly elected Directors representing the members!

The debenture holders are NOT the sole OR majority owners of HBG - but STILL control 71.4% of Board appointments!

The HBG ownership includes the 17 active debenture holders - and 27,000 voting members of the registered club under the Registered Clubs Act 1976...

Meaning that on a per capita basis the current debenture holders represent 0.0006% of the total ownership - but have a 71.4% controlling stake in the Board!

As @BZN likes to repeat - surely any fair-minded, unbiassed individual can see that this archaic governance model where 17 debenture holders (20 when at full capacity) - have exactly 2.5X the representation on the Board compared to the 27,000 financial members with just 2 is prone to abuse and is entirely unrepresentative of the broader ownership!

All Directors are still bound by the HBG constitution and their Directorial fiduciary duties under ASIC regulations plus the Registered Clubs Act - and that is where Liquor & Gaming NSW will focus any investigations.

Given there are currently public allegations that:

1) The Board acted improperly in suspending the two elected Directors on trumped up & petty charges - due to an undisclosed private agenda

2) The Board did not mandatorily report/investigate an inappropriate workplace incident between a continuing Board member & a club staffer at Ashfield (as per Rick Wayde on Youtube)

3) The Board unanimously voted for a governance review into their subsidiary asset WT (following a petition) - but one Director did not avail herself to the review and has been obstructive to implementation of the recommendations (while making public statements to the contrary)

4) The Chair has since sent threatening emails to the new WT CEO to ensure that the interim Board remains in limbo while the HBG Board continue to undermine the independent skills-based selection process that they publically endorsed).

5) The Board failed in its fiduciary duty when it cancelled the recruitment contract for the Independent WT Directors due to internal politics. With a second tender process leading to re-appointment of the same company who won BOTH contracts on merit!

Note: This duplication not only further delayed the implementation of the independent WT Board - but the huge financial cost of two contracts with the recruitment company and a second tender comes from the members funds (NOT the debenture holders)!

6) Dennis Burgess is an agitator for a Magpies revival - and is unfit as a Director

FACT: The new Chair reinstated Dennis Burgess as the WSDRLFC rep on the WT Board against the review recommendations when the debenture rep Directors executed a coup against Andreacchio!!

While I am happy to stress that points 1-6 above are all just "allegations" - Liquor and Gaming NSW have plenty to sink their teeth into.... and the petition will only help to bring it to their attention!

To those sitting on the fence - ask yourself this:

If any of the above allegations that besmirched them (published in SMH and podcast via Youtube) were GENUINELY untruthful & defamatory to the "Gang of 4"- why haven't Denny and Julie et al - OR HBG as a legal entity engaged a legal team to have the articles/podcast taken down under a concerns notice??

Hint: truth & public interest are defence in a defamation suit!

If not for the initial petition (& I was a doubter) = and subsequent independent governance review - the Axis of Mediocrity aka Hagipantelis/Pascoe would still be at Concord and our 2025 squad would still have fricking Nofa on $500K....

Get that into your thick skulls!!
 
Snidest 0 said:
Seriously???

You continue to ignore the context of the gross over-representation of a small group of faceless debenture holders on the HBG Board - where they are able to install a permament voting block of FIVE directors with only two popularly elected Directors representing the members!

The debenture holders are NOT the sole OR majority owners of HBG - but STILL control 71.4% of Board appointments!

The HBG ownership includes the 17 active debenture holders - and 27,000 voting members of the registered club under the Registered Clubs Act 1976...

Meaning that on a per capita basis the current debenture holders represent 0.0006% of the total ownership - but have a 71.4% controlling stake in the Board!

As @BZN likes to repeat - surely any fair-minded, unbiassed individual can see that this archaic governance model where 17 debenture holders (20 when at full capacity) - have exactly 2.5X the representation on the Board compared to the 27,000 financial members with just 2 is prone to abuse and is entirely unrepresentative of the broader ownership!

All Directors are still bound by the HBG constitution and their Directorial fiduciary duties under ASIC regulations plus the Registered Clubs Act - and that is where Liquor & Gaming NSW will focus any investigations.

Given there are currently public allegations that:

1) The Board acted improperly in suspending the two elected Directors on trumped up & petty charges - due to an undisclosed private agenda

2) The Board did not mandatorily report/investigate an inappropriate workplace incident between a continuing Board member & a club staffer at Ashfield (as per Rick Wayde on Youtube)

3) The Board unanimously voted for a governance review into their subsidiary asset WT (following a petition) - but one Director did not avail herself to the review and has been obstructive to implementation of the recommendations (while making public statements to the contrary)

4) The Chair has since sent threatening emails to the new WT CEO to ensure that the interim Board remains in limbo while the HBG Board continue to undermine the independent skills-based selection process that they publically endorsed).

5) The Board failed in its fiduciary duty when it cancelled the recruitment contract for the Independent WT Directors due to internal politics. With a second tender process leading to re-appointment of the same company who won BOTH contracts on merit!

Note: This duplication not only further delayed the implementation of the independent WT Board - but the huge financial cost of two contracts with the recruitment company and a second tender comes from the members funds (NOT the debenture holders)!

6) Dennis Burgess is an agitator for a Magpies revival - and is unfit as a Director

FACT: The new Chair reinstated Dennis Burgess as the WSDRLFC rep on the WT Board against the review recommendations when the debenture rep Directors executed a coup against Andreacchio!!

While I am happy to stress that points 1-6 above are all just "allegations" - Liquor and Gaming NSW have plenty to sink their teeth into.... and the petition will only help to bring it to their attention!

To those sitting on the fence - ask yourself this:

If any of the above allegations that besmirched them (published in SMH and podcast via Youtube) were GENUINELY untruthful & defamatory to the "Gang of 4"- why haven't Denny and Julie et al - OR HBG as a legal entity engaged a legal team to have the articles/podcast taken down under a concerns notice??

Hint: truth & public interest are defence in a defamation suit!

If not for the initial petition (& I was a doubter) = and subsequent independent governance review - the Axis of Mediocrity aka Hagipantelis/Pascoe would still be at Concord and our 2025 squad would still have fricking Nofa on $500K....

Get that into your thick skulls!!
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Mate you and I don't often agree but that is an amazing summary.
 
Snidest 0 said:
Seriously???

You continue to ignore the context of the gross over-representation of a small group of faceless debenture holders on the HBG Board - where they are able to install a permament voting block of FIVE directors with only two popularly elected Directors representing the members!

The debenture holders are NOT the sole OR majority owners of HBG - but STILL control 71.4% of Board appointments!

The HBG ownership includes the 17 active debenture holders - and 27,000 voting members of the registered club under the Registered Clubs Act 1976...

Meaning that on a per capita basis the current debenture holders represent 0.0006% of the total ownership - but have a 71.4% controlling stake in the Board!

As @BZN likes to repeat - surely any fair-minded, unbiassed individual can see that this archaic governance model where 17 debenture holders (20 when at full capacity) - have exactly 2.5X the representation on the Board compared to the 27,000 financial members with just 2 is prone to abuse and is entirely unrepresentative of the broader ownership!

All Directors are still bound by the HBG constitution and their Directorial fiduciary duties under ASIC regulations plus the Registered Clubs Act - and that is where Liquor & Gaming NSW will focus any investigations.

Given there are currently public allegations that:

1) The Board acted improperly in suspending the two elected Directors on trumped up & petty charges - due to an undisclosed private agenda

2) The Board did not mandatorily report/investigate an inappropriate workplace incident between a continuing Board member & a club staffer at Ashfield (as per Rick Wayde on Youtube)

3) The Board unanimously voted for a governance review into their subsidiary asset WT (following a petition) - but one Director did not avail herself to the review and has been obstructive to implementation of the recommendations (while making public statements to the contrary)

4) The Chair has since sent threatening emails to the new WT CEO to ensure that the interim Board remains in limbo while the HBG Board continue to undermine the independent skills-based selection process that they publically endorsed).

5) The Board failed in its fiduciary duty when it cancelled the recruitment contract for the Independent WT Directors due to internal politics. With a second tender process leading to re-appointment of the same company who won BOTH contracts on merit!

Note: This duplication not only further delayed the implementation of the independent WT Board - but the huge financial cost of two contracts with the recruitment company and a second tender comes from the members funds (NOT the debenture holders)!

6) Dennis Burgess is an agitator for a Magpies revival - and is unfit as a Director

FACT: The new Chair reinstated Dennis Burgess as the WSDRLFC rep on the WT Board against the review recommendations when the debenture rep Directors executed a coup against Andreacchio!!

While I am happy to stress that points 1-6 above are all just "allegations" - Liquor and Gaming NSW have plenty to sink their teeth into.... and the petition will only help to bring it to their attention!

To those sitting on the fence - ask yourself this:

If any of the above allegations that besmirched them (published in SMH and podcast via Youtube) were GENUINELY untruthful & defamatory to the "Gang of 4"- why haven't Denny and Julie et al - OR HBG as a legal entity engaged a legal team to have the articles/podcast taken down under a concerns notice??

Hint: truth & public interest are defence in a defamation suit!

If not for the initial petition (& I was a doubter) = and subsequent independent governance review - the Axis of Mediocrity aka Hagipantelis/Pascoe would still be at Concord and our 2025 squad would still have fricking Nofa on $500K....

Get that into your thick skulls!!
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10/10!
 
batboy said:
Are you that lifeless that you're just scouring old posts to reply to?

Go back to 2010/2011.... Those discussions would be right up you're ally....
- Spoiler Alert, They ended up making the Magpie a tiny bit Bigger for you all
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Many a knob on here have done the same to me. Finding comments from ages ago. They have no life. I just call them losers.
 
Snidest 0 said:
Seriously???

You continue to ignore the context of the gross over-representation of a small group of faceless debenture holders on the HBG Board - where they are able to install a permament voting block of FIVE directors with only two popularly elected Directors representing the members!

The debenture holders are NOT the sole OR majority owners of HBG - but STILL control 71.4% of Board appointments!

The HBG ownership includes the 17 active debenture holders - and 27,000 voting members of the registered club under the Registered Clubs Act 1976...

Meaning that on a per capita basis the current debenture holders represent 0.0006% of the total ownership - but have a 71.4% controlling stake in the Board!

As @BZN likes to repeat - surely any fair-minded, unbiassed individual can see that this archaic governance model where 17 debenture holders (20 when at full capacity) - have exactly 2.5X the representation on the Board compared to the 27,000 financial members with just 2 is prone to abuse and is entirely unrepresentative of the broader ownership!

All Directors are still bound by the HBG constitution and their Directorial fiduciary duties under ASIC regulations plus the Registered Clubs Act - and that is where Liquor & Gaming NSW will focus any investigations.

Given there are currently public allegations that:

1) The Board acted improperly in suspending the two elected Directors on trumped up & petty charges - due to an undisclosed private agenda

2) The Board did not mandatorily report/investigate an inappropriate workplace incident between a continuing Board member & a club staffer at Ashfield (as per Rick Wayde on Youtube)

3) The Board unanimously voted for a governance review into their subsidiary asset WT (following a petition) - but one Director did not avail herself to the review and has been obstructive to implementation of the recommendations (while making public statements to the contrary)

4) The Chair has since sent threatening emails to the new WT CEO to ensure that the interim Board remains in limbo while the HBG Board continue to undermine the independent skills-based selection process that they publically endorsed).

5) The Board failed in its fiduciary duty when it cancelled the recruitment contract for the Independent WT Directors due to internal politics. With a second tender process leading to re-appointment of the same company who won BOTH contracts on merit!

Note: This duplication not only further delayed the implementation of the independent WT Board - but the huge financial cost of two contracts with the recruitment company and a second tender comes from the members funds (NOT the debenture holders)!

6) Dennis Burgess is an agitator for a Magpies revival - and is unfit as a Director

FACT: The new Chair reinstated Dennis Burgess as the WSDRLFC rep on the WT Board against the review recommendations when the debenture rep Directors executed a coup against Andreacchio!!

While I am happy to stress that points 1-6 above are all just "allegations" - Liquor and Gaming NSW have plenty to sink their teeth into.... and the petition will only help to bring it to their attention!

To those sitting on the fence - ask yourself this:

If any of the above allegations that besmirched them (published in SMH and podcast via Youtube) were GENUINELY untruthful & defamatory to the "Gang of 4"- why haven't Denny and Julie et al - OR HBG as a legal entity engaged a legal team to have the articles/podcast taken down under a concerns notice??

Hint: truth & public interest are defence in a defamation suit!

If not for the initial petition (& I was a doubter) = and subsequent independent governance review - the Axis of Mediocrity aka Hagipantelis/Pascoe would still be at Concord and our 2025 squad would still have fricking Nofa on $500K....

Get that into your thick skulls!!
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Great post - spot on
 
Snidest 0 said:
Seriously???

You continue to ignore the context of the gross over-representation of a small group of faceless debenture holders on the HBG Board - where they are able to install a permament voting block of FIVE directors with only two popularly elected Directors representing the members!

The debenture holders are NOT the sole OR majority owners of HBG - but STILL control 71.4% of Board appointments!

The HBG ownership includes the 17 active debenture holders - and 27,000 voting members of the registered club under the Registered Clubs Act 1976...

Meaning that on a per capita basis the current debenture holders represent 0.0006% of the total ownership - but have a 71.4% controlling stake in the Board!

As @BZN likes to repeat - surely any fair-minded, unbiassed individual can see that this archaic governance model where 17 debenture holders (20 when at full capacity) - have exactly 2.5X the representation on the Board compared to the 27,000 financial members with just 2 is prone to abuse and is entirely unrepresentative of the broader ownership!

All Directors are still bound by the HBG constitution and their Directorial fiduciary duties under ASIC regulations plus the Registered Clubs Act - and that is where Liquor & Gaming NSW will focus any investigations.

Given there are currently public allegations that:

1) The Board acted improperly in suspending the two elected Directors on trumped up & petty charges - due to an undisclosed private agenda

2) The Board did not mandatorily report/investigate an inappropriate workplace incident between a continuing Board member & a club staffer at Ashfield (as per Rick Wayde on Youtube)

3) The Board unanimously voted for a governance review into their subsidiary asset WT (following a petition) - but one Director did not avail herself to the review and has been obstructive to implementation of the recommendations (while making public statements to the contrary)

4) The Chair has since sent threatening emails to the new WT CEO to ensure that the interim Board remains in limbo while the HBG Board continue to undermine the independent skills-based selection process that they publically endorsed).

5) The Board failed in its fiduciary duty when it cancelled the recruitment contract for the Independent WT Directors due to internal politics. With a second tender process leading to re-appointment of the same company who won BOTH contracts on merit!

Note: This duplication not only further delayed the implementation of the independent WT Board - but the huge financial cost of two contracts with the recruitment company and a second tender comes from the members funds (NOT the debenture holders)!

6) Dennis Burgess is an agitator for a Magpies revival - and is unfit as a Director

FACT: The new Chair reinstated Dennis Burgess as the WSDRLFC rep on the WT Board against the review recommendations when the debenture rep Directors executed a coup against Andreacchio!!

While I am happy to stress that points 1-6 above are all just "allegations" - Liquor and Gaming NSW have plenty to sink their teeth into.... and the petition will only help to bring it to their attention!

To those sitting on the fence - ask yourself this:

If any of the above allegations that besmirched them (published in SMH and podcast via Youtube) were GENUINELY untruthful & defamatory to the "Gang of 4"- why haven't Denny and Julie et al - OR HBG as a legal entity engaged a legal team to have the articles/podcast taken down under a concerns notice??

Hint: truth & public interest are defence in a defamation suit!

If not for the initial petition (& I was a doubter) = and subsequent independent governance review - the Axis of Mediocrity aka Hagipantelis/Pascoe would still be at Concord and our 2025 squad would still have fricking Nofa on $500K....

Get that into your thick skulls!!
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You forgot to mention that we are still favourites to sign Curtis Rona for 2025 as captain.
 
jadtiger said:
The year after with Sheens running the show was much worse,it was complete aimless rubbish and we ran 17th which was another new low for the club
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I think the only thing sadder about 23 was watching Sheens being revealed as a fluker.
I used to think he had some coaching tricks up his sleeve. That he could pull a brillant play or get things going. ...

By 23 and maybe all the time, he had no idea.

22 was worse. Seeing us beg for the spoon, firing Madge early to bring in Kimmorley and throw him NRL's worse hospital pass. No idea what we were thinking.

Odd conspiracy theory, Sheens and Fulton were trying to get at each other with our bad 4 year signings.
 
Snidest 0 said:
Seriously???

You continue to ignore the context of the gross over-representation of a small group of faceless debenture holders on the HBG Board - where they are able to install a permament voting block of FIVE directors with only two popularly elected Directors representing the members!

The debenture holders are NOT the sole OR majority owners of HBG - but STILL control 71.4% of Board appointments!

The HBG ownership includes the 17 active debenture holders - and 27,000 voting members of the registered club under the Registered Clubs Act 1976...

Meaning that on a per capita basis the current debenture holders represent 0.0006% of the total ownership - but have a 71.4% controlling stake in the Board!

As @BZN likes to repeat - surely any fair-minded, unbiassed individual can see that this archaic governance model where 17 debenture holders (20 when at full capacity) - have exactly 2.5X the representation on the Board compared to the 27,000 financial members with just 2 is prone to abuse and is entirely unrepresentative of the broader ownership!

All Directors are still bound by the HBG constitution and their Directorial fiduciary duties under ASIC regulations plus the Registered Clubs Act - and that is where Liquor & Gaming NSW will focus any investigations.

Given there are currently public allegations that:

1) The Board acted improperly in suspending the two elected Directors on trumped up & petty charges - due to an undisclosed private agenda

2) The Board did not mandatorily report/investigate an inappropriate workplace incident between a continuing Board member & a club staffer at Ashfield (as per Rick Wayde on Youtube)

3) The Board unanimously voted for a governance review into their subsidiary asset WT (following a petition) - but one Director did not avail herself to the review and has been obstructive to implementation of the recommendations (while making public statements to the contrary)

4) The Chair has since sent threatening emails to the new WT CEO to ensure that the interim Board remains in limbo while the HBG Board continue to undermine the independent skills-based selection process that they publically endorsed).

5) The Board failed in its fiduciary duty when it cancelled the recruitment contract for the Independent WT Directors due to internal politics. With a second tender process leading to re-appointment of the same company who won BOTH contracts on merit!

Note: This duplication not only further delayed the implementation of the independent WT Board - but the huge financial cost of two contracts with the recruitment company and a second tender comes from the members funds (NOT the debenture holders)!

6) Dennis Burgess is an agitator for a Magpies revival - and is unfit as a Director

FACT: The new Chair reinstated Dennis Burgess as the WSDRLFC rep on the WT Board against the review recommendations when the debenture rep Directors executed a coup against Andreacchio!!

While I am happy to stress that points 1-6 above are all just "allegations" - Liquor and Gaming NSW have plenty to sink their teeth into.... and the petition will only help to bring it to their attention!

To those sitting on the fence - ask yourself this:

If any of the above allegations that besmirched them (published in SMH and podcast via Youtube) were GENUINELY untruthful & defamatory to the "Gang of 4"- why haven't Denny and Julie et al - OR HBG as a legal entity engaged a legal team to have the articles/podcast taken down under a concerns notice??

Hint: truth & public interest are defence in a defamation suit!

If not for the initial petition (& I was a doubter) = and subsequent independent governance review - the Axis of Mediocrity aka Hagipantelis/Pascoe would still be at Concord and our 2025 squad would still have fricking Nofa on $500K....

Get that into your thick skulls!!
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Great summary Unc, thx 4 breaking it down
 
I have said before that there is a concerted effort to destroy the WT joint venture. I have stated before that I believe that includes collusion between some of the media, some in the NRL and unfortunately some from within the club itself.

Today's "Revelation" from "The Mole" that some on the Balmain board are considering an approach from South Island to form a 2nd Kiwi team/Balmain joint venture just solidifies my belief that this collusion to destroy the Wests Tigers is in top gear........sadly just as the future (on field) is starting to look so bright.
 
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