weststigers
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What have the Magpies got to do with it? Debenture structure is the problem. Not ownership %.
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TigerJunior4
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Yeah I’m well aware Clayton Utz lawyers act for HBG. Julie Romero cc’d them into her email to Barry O’Farrell when she halted the Wests Tigers board from meeting.
If that is true (which I very much doubt btw) then I guess there’s nothing to worry about from HBG perspective right?
Did I say anything about illegalities either? I said good governance practices.
It’s almost ridiculous that I keep having to say this but the debenture system is not good governance. That is not an opinion. That is factual given what good governance looks like in 2025.
Also yet again, the review found the board to be lacking in ability and not properly structured to run a football club which was damaging both the Wests Tigers and HBG.
If there’s a commitment from HBG to good governance then prove it by implementing the recommendations, and appoint four independents including the re-appointment of the chairperson.
TigerJunior4
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I’ll accuse you of it because that is exactly what you’re doing.
Stop with the lies now. I saw your advocate for us to be called the Bushrangers 😂.
Any real Wests Tigers fan would not be advocating for a complete identity change.
If you don’t want to destroy the club stop with the Wests vs Balmain bs. It’s held us back for 25 years.
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I am an old Balmain boy, now 78. Balmain RL and Wests RL merged to form Wests Tigers. Both clubs voted for the merger in 1999. The Board now controlling Wests Tigers has 7 members.
I keep on reading that 27, 000 members vote for 1 member on that Board. I am surmising that these are Wests Ashfield members. Another member is from Balmain. (How many members vote for that person? Anyone know?) The rest are Holman Barnes Group members voted in by 18 (may be only 17) other HBG debenture holders. Debenture holders paid 50 pounds originally in 1955 to set up Wests RLC. Since that time, new debenture holders have been accepted into the HBG by the existing members and the existing members only, paying $100 (?.) I think I am right so far.
I have read nearly every post to about the current turmoil. I have signed two petitions. I have listened to many, many podcasts. I agree with the current petition that the whole situation needs a dramatic. overhaul. I have read ad nauseam about how undemocratic all this is.
As of 2000, I have been a Wests Tigers fan and have been a paid up member for over ten years. Following Wests Tigers is a major part of my life. Never once have I been asked to vote for a Board member of MY CLUB. I know, I know that Balmain has folded, that Wests Ashfield put major funds into the football club. However, NSWRL put in most of the money that makes OUR Club function, unless I am mistaken. After years of utter misery, we are in a position to compete with Shane Richardson at the helm. This won't last long if the current situation prevails.
We need a fresh start. We can rise from the ashes BUT ALL Wests Tigers members must have a say. Let's start with the review but can we please make a move for a total democratic constitution in which Wests Tigers Members vote for the Board members who run OUR CLUB?
I keep on reading that 27, 000 members vote for 1 member on that Board. I am surmising that these are Wests Ashfield members. Another member is from Balmain. (How many members vote for that person? Anyone know?) The rest are Holman Barnes Group members voted in by 18 (may be only 17) other HBG debenture holders. Debenture holders paid 50 pounds originally in 1955 to set up Wests RLC. Since that time, new debenture holders have been accepted into the HBG by the existing members and the existing members only, paying $100 (?.) I think I am right so far.
I have read nearly every post to about the current turmoil. I have signed two petitions. I have listened to many, many podcasts. I agree with the current petition that the whole situation needs a dramatic. overhaul. I have read ad nauseam about how undemocratic all this is.
As of 2000, I have been a Wests Tigers fan and have been a paid up member for over ten years. Following Wests Tigers is a major part of my life. Never once have I been asked to vote for a Board member of MY CLUB. I know, I know that Balmain has folded, that Wests Ashfield put major funds into the football club. However, NSWRL put in most of the money that makes OUR Club function, unless I am mistaken. After years of utter misery, we are in a position to compete with Shane Richardson at the helm. This won't last long if the current situation prevails.
We need a fresh start. We can rise from the ashes BUT ALL Wests Tigers members must have a say. Let's start with the review but can we please make a move for a total democratic constitution in which Wests Tigers Members vote for the Board members who run OUR CLUB?
Why is anyone who supports the petition, the demise of Romero and co, and wanting a full ownership restructure of our club responding to anyone on here who disagrees?
It’s just pages and pages of BS from people who support HBG and the magpies
The same people who think HBG are doing a good job
I say let them be
Don’t respond
It’s a waste of time
There’s 98% of us who all think HBG at the moment are a joke and full of egotistical self centered losers who have done nothing but destabilize all the good work Richo and Barry have done to date
We will continue the fight
We have already outed the debenture holders
Now it’s time to create disunity between the debenture holders
And force the government to intervene
We have already forced HBG to commit to the recs - and this is in 1 day of getting the debenture holder names and feeding them to Chammas and carrayanis
All those who helped with this know who they are
And we will fight on until we crush Romero and co.
If any of you are mates with Romero or burgess - tell them we won’t stop until 30,000 fans petition outside of their board meetings
And we will contact all debenture holders and force them to create a new governance structure for our club
18 people don’t want 30,000 hating them
And this is the pressure we need to keep applying
It’s just pages and pages of BS from people who support HBG and the magpies
The same people who think HBG are doing a good job
I say let them be
Don’t respond
It’s a waste of time
There’s 98% of us who all think HBG at the moment are a joke and full of egotistical self centered losers who have done nothing but destabilize all the good work Richo and Barry have done to date
We will continue the fight
We have already outed the debenture holders
Now it’s time to create disunity between the debenture holders
And force the government to intervene
We have already forced HBG to commit to the recs - and this is in 1 day of getting the debenture holder names and feeding them to Chammas and carrayanis
All those who helped with this know who they are
And we will fight on until we crush Romero and co.
If any of you are mates with Romero or burgess - tell them we won’t stop until 30,000 fans petition outside of their board meetings
And we will contact all debenture holders and force them to create a new governance structure for our club
18 people don’t want 30,000 hating them
And this is the pressure we need to keep applying
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Most probably but State Labor and the Greens didn’t do them any favours in the end.
Also doesn’t mean they shouldn’t investigate Wests now. The way the board operates they should be very worried to be put under intense scrutiny.
cochise
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Magpies v Balmain again trying to change the argument.
Ah yes, you got me on that oneTJ4.
I had forgotten about that, just shows how important it is to me.
I was actually playing devil's advocate to find out where you people stand,
so, Bring Down The Wall, Bring Down The Wall.
But I actually DO think it's a great idea as there would be no Mighty Magpie's V Balmain stuff, simples.
TigerJunior4
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We have a club. It’s called the Wests Tigers and it’s been around for 25 years.
For all intents and purposes the Magpies and the Balmain Tigers are dead.
You know what would stop the Balmain vs Magpies crap? Good leaders on the board of Wests Tigers that aren’t aligned to the Magpies, Balmain or HBG and for all the morons that feed into the feud to crawl back into their holes.
That way we can move forward and support our club without having to see people like you destroy it because of some sordid nostalgic trip.
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twentyforty
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It’s a pretty good deal for debenture holders. For $100 they get free meals and beverages for their family.
innsaneink
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It has become way to common for people to pile on others online. For me it's a new form of school yard bullying. I hate it.Spartan,
Are pile ons an official policy of the WTF?
Are there preferred narratives in this forum?
The comment was in defence of @BZN in truth.
No more personal attacks please.
FTR I want this place to open to free speech and respectful disagreement.
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I think Clubs NSW is a self regulated organisation for NSW clubs there are no obligations for clubs to be members but I think most would be members. I have no idea if HGB are.
Liquor & Gaming NSW administers the regulatory framework for registered clubs in NSW.
innsaneink
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How's about no more harrasmant, stalking and pestering individuals from one to another?
Unfortunately Cochise many of the posters on here appear to be Balmain affiliated in some way, and anti Wests Ashfield/Western Suburbs.
If you happen to post anything supporting Wests Ashfield/Western Suburbs you are intimidated by posters who think they own the forum.
Mate it would be interesting to know how Wests Tigers supporters in the south west of Sydney feel about all of this.
I do think all of wests Tigrers demographic of supporters should come together as one as Wests Tigers members and supporters. But I think the way some members of this forum are causing division within Wests Tigers as a united club.
Magpie_Magic
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Of course it's not about Balmain and Wests.
But it is becoming so.
Your petition was written inclusive of "magpies die-hards " so the frame is there.
Like two brothers seeking legal recourse in order to control their inherited business.......where both have contacts, customers etc this is toxic and won't help the passion......I'm losing mine.
Whatever happens won't be up to us.
But we will feel it.
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WestsEffTheRest
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Why would supporters in the South West have a problem with this? It’s not like the petition is asking to stop playing games at Campbelltown or to nullify the MacArthur area & focus more on the Balmain/Ryde area. This division needs to stop it’s not Wests vs Balmain here. All me & many others want is for the HBG to fully implement the review & grant the WT’s their independence from Wests Ashfield & the HBG. It really is quite that simple.
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