The Doueihi move

batboy said:
You avoid the point - again.
Garner has scored almost as many tries as both out Back Rowers this year.

He'd be an upgrade on at least 2 of our starting 17.
That's without considering both centres, Who he'd have trumped off last game as well.
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No argument from me that Garner is more beneficial on an edge than both of our current edge back rowers and both of our current centres.
Samuela like Seyfarth is just a fraction too slow and had no real footwork to be a constant threat on an edge and why many including myself think he will be better suited on our middles rotation.
If we had plenty of stroke within our other edge back rower and both centres, then we could get away with Samuela staying on an edge.
The issue is we do not currently have anyone suitable to take his spot, Sol Saukuru could possibly be someone to jump through the grades and be a point of difference.
 
BlackWhiteGold said:
AD's 20-min cameo in the middle reinforced that we need a ball-playing line-engaging 13 to complement Luai & Latu. And furthermore, one who has kicking game will be a bonus as well as tackle-breaking ability.

Both our halves play better a bit wider IMO and this type of lock can give them time & space to maximise their strengths.

The problem is there are no locks like this who are available atm.

So maybe we do try to extend AD for 1 season or longer to play this role off the bench. I think our only hope is if AD heads to the Perth Bears and he extends for 1 season which gives us extra time to find the right player for us (Kurt Donoghue, Pheonix Crossland, Kaide Ellis at Wigan perhaps, Tyran Wishart, Dylan Walker though getting too old).

We do have 21yo Josese Lanyon & 17yo Siotame Havea Jr coming through in pathways who play this role but we need NOW.

Any others?
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I had thougth that this was the role Bird was bought in to play - a bit of a Wade Graham type of role. AD executed it well in the short stint he had. AD to the bench with Twal on for the first 20 to soak up some of the defensive effort could be a decent move. Ideally we puchase in an NRL ready 13, the other potential (which could be of detriment to us) would be to convert Terrell to 13 - not sure if the has the flowing ball play required.

The only other name that comes to mind, apart from those you have already suggested, is Adam Elliott. I think he is off contract, may be a stopgap option. Still must be a month or so away from recovering from a torn bicep.
 
BlackWhiteGold said:
AD's 20-min cameo in the middle reinforced that we need a ball-playing line-engaging 13 to complement Luai & Latu. And furthermore, one who has kicking game will be a bonus as well as tackle-breaking ability.

Both our halves play better a bit wider IMO and this type of lock can give them time & space to maximise their strengths.

The problem is there are no locks like this who are available atm.

So maybe we do try to extend AD for 1 season or longer to play this role off the bench. I think our only hope is if AD heads to the Perth Bears and he extends for 1 season which gives us extra time to find the right player for us (Kurt Donoghue, Pheonix Crossland, Kaide Ellis at Wigan perhaps, Tyran Wishart, Dylan Walker though getting too old).

We do have 21yo Josese Lanyon & 17yo Siotame Havea Jr coming through in pathways who play this role but we need NOW.

Any others?
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I haven’t really watched Wigan play aside from a few highlights.
Do you think Kade Ellis could play this role reasonably well for us ?
A few things I’ve heard makes me think he could be open to an earlier than expected return to Australia should an opportunity arise.
 
Jolls said:
I had thougth that this was the role Bird was bought in to play - a bit of a Wade Graham type of role. AD executed it well in the short stint he had. AD to the bench with Twal on for the first 20 to soak up some of the defensive effort could be a decent move. Ideally we puchase in an NRL ready 13, the other potential (which could be of detriment to us) would be to convert Terrell to 13 - not sure if the has the flowing ball play required.

The only other name that comes to mind, apart from those you have already suggested, is Adam Elliott. I think he is off contract, may be a stopgap option. Still must be a month or so away from recovering from a torn bicep.
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I’m sure between BWG and yourself, you have more knowledge and many more ideas than our club recruitment staff.
 
I think he is the ideal 14 - making way for May to come into centre. Can cover multiple spots and is a great option to bring on at lock after 25. I think we can all agree that Bird is not the answer to that conundrum.
 
TT 01 said:
I think he is the ideal 14 - making way for May to come into centre. Can cover multiple spots and is a great option to bring on at lock after 25. I think we can all agree that Bird is not the answer to that conundrum.
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Bird is no centre these days, he probably didn’t ask to play there either.
Doueihi certainly sees himself as a halve, so he didn’t ask to play as a centre either.
To’a has been running the ball at half pace and missing far too many tackles recently. He may be playing injured, but whatever the case he’s no good to us in his current condition.
Taylan May really needed another week or two with limited pressure playing NSW Cup, but we are out of options, we need him ASAP.
Young Heamasi is showing some good early signs, but it’s definitely too soon to throw him in at NRL level just yet.
So even with Taylan May playing, we realistically need another centre. Naden looks too disengaged too often, I couldn’t select him.
That really only leaves us with Luke Laulilli who is not ready defensively or Charlie Staines who has not previously shown to be a good enough defender in the centres, but I think one of them needs to be selected rather than continuing to play To’a on one leg,
Both of the Titans centres are very good attacking players, Jojo Fifita in particular is an emerging beast with plenty of speed and power, so whoever lines up against him as our left centre will have a big task in front of them.
 
Jolls said:
I had thougth that this was the role Bird was bought in to play - a bit of a Wade Graham type of role. AD executed it well in the short stint he had. AD to the bench with Twal on for the first 20 to soak up some of the defensive effort could be a decent move. Ideally we puchase in an NRL ready 13, the other potential (which could be of detriment to us) would be to convert Terrell to 13 - not sure if the has the flowing ball play required.

The only other name that comes to mind, apart from those you have already suggested, is Adam Elliott. I think he is off contract, may be a stopgap option. Still must be a month or so away from recovering from a torn bicep.
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Yeah so did I re Bird but I've seen much of him dig into the line and pass out the back to a half this season, more he's been used a Josh Curran type small middle. The only two I've seen do it well for us this season are Latu & AD. Adam Elliott possibly could though his ballplaying skills seem to have been blunted by Adam O'Brien's coaching much like KPP's offloading.
 
Vicious said:
I haven’t really watched Wigan play aside from a few highlights.
Do you think Kade Ellis could play this role reasonably well for us ?
A few things I’ve heard makes me think he could be open to an earlier than expected return to Australia should an opportunity arise.
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I think he could. He's improved his link play in recent years and plays more like a Ryan Matterson type these days. Has that Penrith connection with Luai from juniors too.
 
jirskyr said:
I'm not clear, was Doueihi officially moved to lock? He seemed to be playing halfback to me, making loads of first touches and taking the odd short kick. Latu took a few hitups, it looked to me that Latu was lock, then at one point we had 3 halves so that Luai could kick and/or get wider.

Looked OK too except Bird is rubbish on the edge. If Taylan May can get his gear together I can only expect a very rapid call-up with Doueihi and Latu interchanging halfback/lock duties.
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Pretty sure Benji confirmed it in the post match presser.
 
weststigerman said:
Pretty sure Benji confirmed it in the post match presser.
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By Benji making this change during games quite a few times this season, he obviously knows it works for us and makes us look a much more likely attacking team.
So the question is why is he so hesitant to do it much earlier, either from the start of games or around 20mins in ?
 
Vicious said:
By Benji making this change during games quite a few times this season, he obviously knows it works for us and makes us look a much more likely attacking team.
So the question is why is he so hesitant to do it much earlier, either from the start of games or around 20mins in ?
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Because we already lose the middle even with a defensive lock on the field. Imagine what our middle would look like with one less effective defender
 
Stevec said:
Cant believe some of this !
Clear Douehi is our best player last few weeks so now we must
Get rid of him?
No wonder we are where we are with all this convoluted logic
Not by all and I guess we are all allowed opinions !
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I wonder is ADs agent will look for a new deal here ?
 
Stevec said:
Cant believe some of this !
Clear Douehi is our best player last few weeks so now we must
Get rid of him?
No wonder we are where we are with all this convoluted logic
Not by all and I guess we are all allowed opinions !
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Seems there's a new charity now the Benevofoaluma Charity has closed down?
 
Vicious said:
By Benji making this change during games quite a few times this season, he obviously knows it works for us and makes us look a much more likely attacking team.
So the question is why is he so hesitant to do it much earlier, either from the start of games or around 20mins in ?
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I don’t think we trained with Doueihi in the middle. I think that decision along with moving To’a to fullback were decisions made on the spot.

Doueihi at 13 worked okay for 20 minutes but the Bird and To’a moves did not.

We can’t be shuffling positions mid way through games. This is what has stuffed the Bulldogs up.
 
batboy said:
Seems there's a new charity now the Benevofoaluma Charity has closed down?
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Hey the Cyber ---- is still going .I just think AD has been playing well lately don't think its an extreme view .By the way how's the guy who scored 100 tries for the Tigers going havent heard or read a thing about him for a few years .
Hope he's doing well as I hope we all are
 
cktiger said:
AD our best player the last 3 weeks but everyone wants to get rid of him instead of the 29 others in the top 30.
Makes sense on here. 🤣
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What’s his new agent thinking ?

Maybe Benji can have Isaac over for dinner and try and get the deal done !
 
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