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[Bus 2 Terrigal]

Magpies fans still alive having seen them Triumphant?
😂😂😂

I've heard it all now....

Well I definitely fall into that category.
There are plenty of triumphs stored in my black & white memory bank ...

*The 1974 knock out semi final win over two times premiers Manly
*1978 minor premiership when Roy’s boys remained unbeaten at home
*The 1977 Amco Cup win
* The 1983-1985 court battles against the NSWRL
*Andrew Willis miracle field goal and Tommy’s unlikely semi finalists of 1996
*The classic victory over Souths in 1976 (Rex Mossop claiming it the best club game he ever witnessed)
And post the WESTS Tigers we’ve had the Magpies win the 2002 SG Ball & 2022 Matthews Cup premierships

Triumphs galore Batboy 👍

 

[BZN]

Magpies fans still alive having seen them Triumphant?
😂😂😂

I've heard it all now....

Howdy batboy. Appreciate you weighing in.

I'm not here to inflate ego, just to speak up for something I care about.
If that comes across as self-importance to you, I hear the feedback.

But I'm not sure how defending a legacy, questioning governance, and calling for respectful inclusion gets spun into a caricature.
If arguing for fair representation makes me a villain, it says more about the culture than the cause.

I don't pretend to be a keeper of the Magpie flame, but I refuse to let it be snuffed out without a voice.
This forum should be a place where all Wests Tigers supporters, regardless of their founding allegiance, feel safe to express their views.
Right now, it doesn't always feel that way for those of us who speak from a Magpies POV.

You clearly care about the betterment of the NRL club, and I respect that.
But preserving legacy and advocating for fairness doesn't diminish progress, it strengthens it.

Thanks for reading. No hard feelings from me, just different perspectives trying to coexist.

 

[hammertime]

Let's also be honest about that Wests Tigers Unite complaint you spearheaded.
It wasn't just a protest...it was Imo a destabilisation tactic aimed at the very owners keeping the football club afloat.

And as Liquor & Gaming confirmed it amounted to nothing.
Frivolous in nature, disruptive in intent.

You keep saying it's not about Magpies V Balmain, yet with every move that's made, it seems there is an attempt to undermine the club that delivers 90% of the ownership, funding and grass roots support.

Hey @BZN. Here's the thing I think you tend to miss in your arguments. The "owners" are not the owners; they are just people in charge at the moment.

Everyone just wanted the people in charge to start acting in the best interests of the football club, rather than themselves. If that required a change in governance or restructuring, that's what it was. No one had issues with the "owners" (i.e. Members), just the dysfunction in the current leadership.

It's not a Balmain vs Magpies thing. It's a competency vs incompetency thing.

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

It's not people it's one deranged person who seems like he has nothing better to do

Mate it’s a Wests Tigers forum ... filled with followers of a club who’ve triumphed in completing a wooden spoon three-peat, the club which boasts more home grounds than semi final appearances, when it comes to being dysfunctional, the Wests-Ts are the epicentre of the sporting world ...

By definition, anyone on this forum -
“has nothing better to do” 🤣🤣🤣

 

[cochise]

Mate it’s a Wests Tigers forum ... filled with followers of a club who’ve triumphed in completing a wooden spoon three-peat, the club which boasts more home grounds than semi final appearances, when it comes to being dysfunctional, the Wests-Ts are the epicentre of the sporting world ...

By definition, anyone on this forum -
“has nothing better to do” 🤣🤣🤣

Thank you pointing out why change was needed.

 

[innsaneink]

@BZN
You talk a lot about respect.... it seems to me you want people to respect something theyre not interested in... this is first and foremost a WTs forum, the majority of NRL fans aren't interested in reserve grade... you cant force people to like our be interested in things they don't want to be.
Plus many look at HBG (Wests Ashfield) as not very supportive of WTs compared to other clubs... this has been an issue since the 60s with the league club not supporting the Magpies since then and nowadays WTs... you cant force respect... respect is earnt
When i agreed i think it was with with suz in that youre doing more harm than good to the magpie brand here...its the constant repetitive narrative that is close if not is trolling that annoys people and does you no favours....much like your constant badgering of cochise which imo is harrasment.
You do yourself and the magpies no favours with the never ending narrative...thats my point.

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

@BZN
You talk a lot about respect.... it seems to me you want people to respect something theyre not interested in... this is first and foremost a WTs forum, the majority of NRL fans aren't interested in reserve grade... you cant force people to like our be interested in things they don't want to be.
Plus many look at HBG (Wests Ashfield) as not very supportive of WTs compared to other clubs... this has been an issue since the 60s with the league club not supporting the Magpies since then and nowadays WTs... you cant force respect... respect is earnt
When i agreed i think it was with with suz in that youre doing more harm than good to the magpie brand here...its the constant repetitive narrative that is close if not is trolling that annoys people and does you no favours....much like your constant badgering of cochise which imo is harrasment.
You do yourself and the magpies no favours with the never ending narrative...thats my point.

I’m just wondering - where would the Wests-Ts be without the Holman Barnes Group ?

 

[cochise]

I’m just wondering - where would the Wests-Ts be without the Holman Barnes Group ?

For me, it was never about removing the HBG. It was all about getting the best possible governance for the Wests Tigers.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

How did an article about Marshall tackling Doueihi get hijacked into a pissing contest about who’s running the club?

 

[Tom Shines]

@BZN
You talk a lot about respect.... it seems to me you want people to respect something theyre not interested in... this is first and foremost a WTs forum, the majority of NRL fans aren't interested in reserve grade... you cant force people to like our be interested in things they don't want to be.
Plus many look at HBG (Wests Ashfield) as not very supportive of WTs compared to other clubs... this has been an issue since the 60s with the league club not supporting the Magpies since then and nowadays WTs... you cant force respect... respect is earnt
When i agreed i think it was with with suz in that youre doing more harm than good to the magpie brand here...its the constant repetitive narrative that is close if not is trolling that annoys people and does you no favours....much like your constant badgering of cochise which imo is harrasment.
You do yourself and the magpies no favours with the never ending narrative...thats my point.

Perhaps there should be a sub forum where issues relating to the owners , and the Magpies and Balmain boards can be discussed?

How did an article about Marshall tackling Doueihi get hijacked into a pissing contest about who’s running the club?

Someone derailed it …

 

[WesternSuburbsBoy]

How did an article about Marshall tackling Doueihi get hijacked into a pissing contest about who’s running the club?

because according to ol mate everything is a Anti Wests & Pro Balmain conspiracy

 

[BZN]

I addressed all the important parts, the HBG, is not carrying the load. The largest form of funding for the Wests Tigers come from the Wests Tigers and not the HBG, we got board reform and the club is trying to become self sufficient.

I addressed all the important parts, the HBG, is not carrying the load. The largest form of funding for the Wests Tigers come from the Wests Tigers and not the HBG, we got board reform and the club is trying to become self sufficient.

Hi cochise..thanks for sharing your view on board reform and the club's financial direction.
I'm genuinely interested in this journey towards self-sufficiency...it's something I think we all want to see for Wests Tigers in the long term.

That said, I've asked a few times, including @Jolls, exactly where the funding has been coming from, and his response was simply "it doesn't matter where it comes from". I appreciate the sentiment behind that, but transparency around funding is part of fostering trust.

Knowing how Wests Tigers sustains itself, especially during a rebuild, isn't just about $$$, but about accountability, transparency and vision.

From what I understand, HBG remains a key contributor, yet there's mention of Wests Tigers generating its own largest stream.
If that's the case, I'd like to hear more specifics...are we talking sponsorships, memberships, merchandise, grants?

And what are the steps being taken to truly make Wests Tigers self-sustaining?
It's one thing to hope we won't rely on pokies and booze or external support...but a roadmap would help ground that hope in reality.

No digs here...just wanting clarity.
Because if the club is turning a corner, that's something we should all be able to rally around.

 

[cktiger]

I’m just wondering - where would the Wests-Ts be without the Holman Barnes Group ?

Hard to say… could it be worse?
Benny Elias did offer to buy the club.

 

[batboy]

Well I definitely fall into that category.
There are plenty of triumphs stored in my black & white memory bank ...

*The 1974 knock out semi final win over two times premiers Manly
*1978 minor premiership when Roy’s boys remained unbeaten at home
*The 1977 Amco Cup win
* The 1983-1985 court battles against the NSWRL
*Andrew Willis miracle field goal and Tommy’s unlikely semi finalists of 1996
*The classic victory over Souths in 1976 (Rex Mossop claiming it the best club game he ever witnessed)
And post the WESTS Tigers we’ve had the Magpies win the 2002 SG Ball & 2022 Matthews Cup premierships

Triumphs galore Batboy 👍

Shame most of those are 40-50 years ago (Blessed with a good memory)

Gotta take every small victory you can get I suppose?
Now it's just a magpie on the Sleeve...

 

[Lestronge]

Hard to say… could it be worse?
Benny Elias did offer to buy the club.

More than likely privately owned and in a much better position re. Every other club that privatised .
HBG didn’t save the club . They saved the current structure and themselves . It’s the biggest straw man argument of all time . The nrl would have just resold the license and club , maybe to Perth , maybe to wests Brisbane , who knows .
Bear in mind the current COE and infrastructures were not even a glimmer in anyone’s eye at the time. .

 

[BZN]

Hard to say… could it be worse?
Benny Elias did offer to buy the club.

Howdy cktiger...Appreciate your input.
The Elias offer is an interesting piece of the puzzle...hard to say what direction thing's might've taken.
This journey's had no shortage of what-ifs.

 

[cochise]

Hi cochise..thanks for sharing your view on board reform and the club's financial direction.
I'm genuinely interested in this journey towards self-sufficiency...it's something I think we all want to see for Wests Tigers in the long term.

That said, I've asked a few times, including @Jolls, exactly where the funding has been coming from, and his response was simply "it doesn't matter where it comes from". I appreciate the sentiment behind that, but transparency around funding is part of fostering trust.

Knowing how Wests Tigers sustains itself, especially during a rebuild, isn't just about $$$, but about accountability, transparency and vision.

From what I understand, HBG remains a key contributor, yet there's mention of Wests Tigers generating its own largest stream.
If that's the case, I'd like to hear more specifics...are we talking sponsorships, memberships, merchandise, grants?

And what are the steps being taken to truly make Wests Tigers self-sustaining?
It's one thing to hope we won't rely on pokies and booze or external support...but a roadmap would help ground that hope in reality.

No digs here...just wanting clarity.
Because if the club is turning a corner, that's something we should all be able to rally around.

I don't have time to address all this now but by far the largest financial input that the Wests Tigers receives is from the NRL grant. That is really payments for the product that the Wests Tigers provide which is then on sold by the NRL.

 

[Jolls]

Hi cochise..thanks for sharing your view on board reform and the club's financial direction.
I'm genuinely interested in this journey towards self-sufficiency...it's something I think we all want to see for Wests Tigers in the long term.

That said, I've asked a few times, including @Jolls, exactly where the funding has been coming from, and his response was simply "it doesn't matter where it comes from". I appreciate the sentiment behind that, but transparency around funding is part of fostering trust.

Knowing how Wests Tigers sustains itself, especially during a rebuild, isn't just about $$$, but about accountability, transparency and vision.

From what I understand, HBG remains a key contributor, yet there's mention of Wests Tigers generating its own largest stream.
If that's the case, I'd like to hear more specifics...are we talking sponsorships, memberships, merchandise, grants?

And what are the steps being taken to truly make Wests Tigers self-sustaining?
It's one thing to hope we won't rely on pokies and booze or external support...but a roadmap would help ground that hope in reality.

No digs here...just wanting clarity.
Because if the club is turning a corner, that's something we should all be able to rally around.

BZN, I think you misunderstood me. The funds come from two sources - HBG though their clubs and from the NRL. The NRL is a grant that covers day to doay operations and the cap My comment regarding it doesn't matter was in reference to what clubs earn what amount of money from what source. I think the previous post made it pretty clear when I spelt out the key aspects fo the constitution. The HBG contribution comes from profit generated by operating the clubs. The club's other key consitutional requirement is to support Wests Tigers - although the wording is outdated as it still refers to the NSW RL.

The grant from the NRL covers:

• player payments and minimum wages as a supplement to the Salary Caap. For example, in 2023 the base grant was around A$18 million, intended to help meet the $12.1 million salary cap plus mandatory minimum wages.
• off-field Operations such as administration, community engagement, compliance, education, welfare, marketing, facilities, and digital services. (Source: Wikipedia - NRL)

In relation to where Wests Tigers are making $ from I have no idea. Richo has the reigns and when the EOFY report comes out there may be some detail. However, it will be a combination of sponsorhips, corporates, profits from sales etc. TPA are outside of the cap and are between the third party and the player. If you want ore detail duck over the deep dive on TPAs and take a read.

I'm not sure if you are trying to dig out an answer that says Wests are contibuting more than Balmain to prove some sort of irrelevant point or genuinely intersted. If you are genuinely intersted - as a member of the club - jump in and take a look at the audited books.

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

Congratulations WSB...you landed on the coveted post 666.
I hope you'll be ok going forward 👍.

Emperor Nero has been deceased nearly 2000 odd years, Doubt WSB has very much to worry about in that regard.

 

[TIGERS]

Not sure how many white blokes aged 20-35 you know but gambling is so incredibly ingrained. Can't spend money on Pokies if you are pissing it all away on sport betting.

Sarcasm.