Chammas Article

[BZN]

These answers are just on response to the claim that the HBG are carrying the Wests Tigers, Wests Tigers generate their own income that far more than the HBG grant.

I personally have no issue with the HBG ownership.

Are you one of the debenture holders of Wests Ashfield? .... which became HBG and from that marriage a self-funded Wests Tigers was born.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

So are we now saying our club is crap because we’re poor.
Give me a break. 🥴

It has an effect on the nrl
Team.
Little things like kit bags etc for junior rep sides or club merchandise handed out at trials,kids at fan days go a long way towards perception of a club as a whole
Someone mentioned earlier about manly supplying a bus to get to training.
I know a junior that was 14 and given a roosters kit. Didn’t sign anything but was informed they will be in touch when he turned 16. Was 15 years ago though.
While it should not matter it undoubtably does.
I have played at a club where it was on a shoestring and didn’t bother me. Had pokie change rooms and limited hot water. average field and generally only 1 strapper.
I moved to a neighbouring club to play with my son.
More people to strap and give rubs,much larger change rooms and women’s aswell.

In saying this how many of the local club players in the weststigers would have the perception that they get looked after better than say the dogs or Penrith.

 

[BZN]

Brother seriously who gives a toss about all of this bullshit it's been 25 years now move the fk on... seriously does anyone realistically still give a crap about Balmain or Wests? Sick of seeing every thread get filled with this crap.

WesternSuburbsBoy...if it's all ancient history, then why does the present jersey still scream "Tigers" with barely a whisper of Magpie heritage?

Wests Ashfield own 90% of our club whichever way you look at it, yet the branding...especially the jersey...feels like a tribute to the 10%.
The dominant orange and black, and our team nearly always referred to as the "Tigers" while the Magpie is reduced to a sleeve patch or heritage round cameo.
That's not balance, that's branding bias.

If we're truly one club, then let's reflect that in the colours, the symbols, and the story we tell.
But let's be honest, that story hardly ever gets told.
And one reason is that so few people from the Magpies side of the JV are willing to come on here and be ridiculed by the many.
The imbalance isn't just in colours...it's in culture, conversation and representation.

If we're truly one club, then let's reflect that in the colours, the symbols, and the story we tell.
Ownership should mean influence...not invisibility.

Footnote>>>just ask @coivtny, @Bus 2 Terrigal, and before them Magpie Magic and Todd Packer who no longer post on here, or myself...every time this topic is raised, the abuse rolls in.
That's not healthy debate, it's cultural suppression.
Mods... please take note.

 

[cochise]

WesternSuburbsBoy...if it's all ancient history, then why does the present jersey still scream "Tigers" with barely a whisper of Magpie heritage?

Wests Ashfield own 90% of our club whichever way you look at it, yet the branding...especially the jersey...feels like a tribute to the 10%.
The dominant orange and black, and our team nearly always referred to as the "Tigers" while the Magpie is reduced to a sleeve patch or heritage round cameo.
That's not balance, that's branding bias.

If we're truly one club, then let's reflect that in the colours, the symbols, and the story we tell.
But let's be honest, that story hardly ever gets told.
And one reason is that so few people from the Magpies side of the JV are willing to come on here and be ridiculed by the many.
The imbalance isn't just in colours...it's in culture, conversation and representation.

If we're truly one club, then let's reflect that in the colours, the symbols, and the story we tell.
Ownership should mean influence...not invisibility.

Footnote>>>just ask @coivtny, @Bus 2 Terrigal, and before them Magpie Magic and Todd Packer who no longer post on here, or myself...every time this topic is raised, the abuse rolls in.
That's not healthy debate, it's cultural suppression.
Mods... please take note.

Explain how the current jersey isn't fair representation? Not having a go, just don't understand, there is a Magpie on it.

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

WesternSuburbsBoy...if it's all ancient history, then why does the present jersey still scream "Tigers" with barely a whisper of Magpie heritage?

Wests Ashfield own 90% of our club whichever way you look at it, yet the branding...especially the jersey...feels like a tribute to the 10%.
The dominant orange and black, and our team nearly always referred to as the "Tigers" while the Magpie is reduced to a sleeve patch or heritage round cameo.
That's not balance, that's branding bias.

If we're truly one club, then let's reflect that in the colours, the symbols, and the story we tell.
But let's be honest, that story hardly ever gets told.
And one reason is that so few people from the Magpies side of the JV are willing to come on here and be ridiculed by the many.
The imbalance isn't just in colours...it's in culture, conversation and representation.

If we're truly one club, then let's reflect that in the colours, the symbols, and the story we tell.
Ownership should mean influence...not invisibility.

Footnote>>>just ask @coivtny, @Bus 2 Terrigal, and before them Magpie Magic and Todd Packer who no longer post on here, or myself...every time this topic is raised, the abuse rolls in.
That's not healthy debate, it's cultural suppression.
Mods... please take note.

Last time I checked I was supporting the Wests Tigers, you know, the club that has a Tiger as the emblem.

Why wouldn't it predominantly be termed the Tigers, seriously it would be a bit silly referring to them as "The Magpies".

There is a Magpie on the sleeve and the Magpies emblem on the back, more than many merged clubs get, ask Fitzroy about it.

 

[WesternSuburbsBoy]

WesternSuburbsBoy...if it's all ancient history, then why does the present jersey still scream "Tigers" with barely a whisper of Magpie heritage?

Wests Ashfield own 90% of our club whichever way you look at it, yet the branding...especially the jersey...feels like a tribute to the 10%.
The dominant orange and black, and our team nearly always referred to as the "Tigers" while the Magpie is reduced to a sleeve patch or heritage round cameo.
That's not balance, that's branding bias.

If we're truly one club, then let's reflect that in the colours, the symbols, and the story we tell.
But let's be honest, that story hardly ever gets told.
And one reason is that so few people from the Magpies side of the JV are willing to come on here and be ridiculed by the many.
The imbalance isn't just in colours...it's in culture, conversation and representation.

If we're truly one club, then let's reflect that in the colours, the symbols, and the story we tell.
Ownership should mean influence...not invisibility.

Footnote>>>just ask @coivtny, @Bus 2 Terrigal, and before them Magpie Magic and Todd Packer who no longer post on here, or myself...every time this topic is raised, the abuse rolls in.
That's not healthy debate, it's cultural suppression.
Mods... please take note.

You're mistaking me for someone that cares... I wasn't even alive when Balmain or Wests were a thing so I couldn't give a toss about how much Magpie is on the jersey.

 

[Suzie-Q]

You're mistaking me for someone that cares... I wasn't even alive when Balmain or Wests were a thing so I couldn't give a toss about how much Magpie is on the jersey.

I'm thinking there are many more like you 👍

 

[Vicious]

Geez is this Wests and Balmain debate still going ?
I hope we all realise if Wests Tigers as a club fails and disappears there is absolutely no chance of either Wests or Balmain ever re-emerging as their own identity at the elite level.
Therefore surely common sense tells us all to get right behind Wests Tigers, even throughout the disappointment as it’s the only resemblance of Wests or Balmain that we will ever get at the elite level.

 

[Telltails]

So my take to make this all go away - remove the orange and the tiger and as long as control is maintained results don't matter - happy days.
Go Wests ......

 

[BZN]

I'm thinking there are many more like you 👍

Suzie-Q... it's noted you gave WesternSuburbsBoy a big happy, loving, smiley face and said you're thinking many more on here are like him.
So, does that mean you don't give a toss either?
That you don't care about the imbalance, the branding bias, or the cultural erasure that seems to be going on here, and which I have raised before?

Because if that's the case, it's worth asking...what does "forum leadership" actually mean if it's not about fostering inclusive dialogue and acknowledging genuine and valid concerns...especially from the side of the JV that owns 90% of our club.

It's easy to dismiss history when it's not your own.
But for many of us, this isn't nostalgia, its identity, representation, and fairness.

And when those things are routinely sidelined, silence or smiley faces from moderators can feel like complicity.

Care to clarify?

 

[cktiger]

He clearly needed to pull a bit more cabbage
from his back door 🤷‍♂️

I don’t think money was the problem.
People who have enjoyed unchallenged power for a long time tend not to be too happy at giving it up.

 

[cktiger]

WesternSuburbsBoy...if it's all ancient history, then why does the present jersey still scream "Tigers" with barely a whisper of Magpie heritage?

Wests Ashfield own 90% of our club whichever way you look at it, yet the branding...especially the jersey...feels like a tribute to the 10%.
The dominant orange and black, and our team nearly always referred to as the "Tigers" while the Magpie is reduced to a sleeve patch or heritage round cameo.
That's not balance, that's branding bias.

If we're truly one club, then let's reflect that in the colours, the symbols, and the story we tell.
But let's be honest, that story hardly ever gets told.
And one reason is that so few people from the Magpies side of the JV are willing to come on here and be ridiculed by the many.
The imbalance isn't just in colours...it's in culture, conversation and representation.

If we're truly one club, then let's reflect that in the colours, the symbols, and the story we tell.
Ownership should mean influence...not invisibility.

Footnote>>>just ask @coivtny, @Bus 2 Terrigal, and before them Magpie Magic and Todd Packer who no longer post on here, or myself...every time this topic is raised, the abuse rolls in.
That's not healthy debate, it's cultural suppression.
Mods... please take note.

Here’s an answer for you.
The reason the current jersey ‘screams Tigers’ just might be because we are WestsTigers and our emblem is a Tiger… not a Magpie.

 

[Suzie-Q]

Suzie-Q... it's noted you gave WesternSuburbsBoy a big happy, loving, smiley face and said you're thinking many more on here are like him.
So, does that mean you don't give a toss either?
That you don't care about the imbalance, the branding bias, or the cultural erasure that seems to be going on here, and which I have raised before?

Because if that's the case, it's worth asking...what does "forum leadership" actually mean if it's not about fostering inclusive dialogue and acknowledging genuine and valid concerns...especially from the side of the JV that owns 90% of our club.

It's easy to dismiss history when it's not your own.
But for many of us, this isn't nostalgia, its identity, representation, and fairness.

And when those things are routinely sidelined, silence or smiley faces from moderators can feel like complicity.

Care to clarify?

As I've stated before, I have no affiliation to either WM or BT. I am solely a Wests Tigers Fan, and would like to see all NRL affiliated teams branded as such.

I am not going to engage with you on this topic again. WESTS TIGERS are the only team I am interested in. As a WESTS TIGERS Fan, it is extremely disappointing to have every topic hijacked to a whinge-fest about teams that have no relevance to the NRL and have not had any representation since 1999.

As part of the moderation team on a WESTS TIGERS FORUM, I would happily see all discussion about Balmain Tigers and Western Suburbs Magpies kept solely to those sub-forums, or better yet, taken to a Western Suburbs Magpies forum or a Balmain Tigers forum. I assume these exist, but as stated, I have 0, ZERO, none, nada interest in either of those clubs.

Wests Tigers is my team.

Hopefully that is clear enough.

 

[cochise]

As I've stated before, I have no affiliation to either WM or BT. I am solely a Wests Tigers Fan, and would like to see all NRL affiliated teams branded as such.

I am not going to engage with you on this topic again. WESTS TIGERS are the only team I am interested in. As a WESTS TIGERS Fan, it is extremely disappointing to have every topic hijacked to a whinge-fest about teams that have no relevance to the NRL and have not had any representation since 1999.

As part of the moderation team on a WESTS TIGERS FORUM, I would happily see all discussion about Balmain Tigers and Western Suburbs Magpies kept solely to those sub-forums, or better yet, taken to a Western Suburbs Magpies forum or a Balmain Tigers forum. I assume these exist, but as stated, I have 0, ZERO, none, nada interest in either of those clubs.

Wests Tigers is my team.

Hopefully that is clear enough.

Very well said Suze.

 

[Merlot]

What did I miss? Anyone keen to do an AI summary? Are the magpies back yet or have the Tigers completed the take over in full?

same same - its a mass debate a thon. Completely off thread but roughly ,1993, some chinese guy won the a thon with 144 hours with out loosing wood and took out the trophy.Small change considering some die hards still bang on about it ,with venom

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

It has an effect on the nrl
Team.
Little things like kit bags etc for junior rep sides or club merchandise handed out at trials,kids at fan days go a long way towards perception of a club as a whole
Someone mentioned earlier about manly supplying a bus to get to training.
I know a junior that was 14 and given a roosters kit. Didn’t sign anything but was informed they will be in touch when he turned 16. Was 15 years ago though.
While it should not matter it undoubtably does.
I have played at a club where it was on a shoestring and didn’t bother me. Had pokie change rooms and limited hot water. average field and generally only 1 strapper.
I moved to a neighbouring club to play with my son.
More people to strap and give rubs,much larger change rooms and women’s aswell.

In saying this how many of the local club players in the weststigers would have the perception that they get looked after better than say the dogs or Penrith.

So apparently we got this cutting edge high performance mega thing built at Concord but we don’t have any kit bags?

Who says we don’t have training gear for Jnr reps etc?
They all look nicely kitted out whenever I see them.

What are we basing all this on. Cos someone on the forum said it? So Canterbury spend more money - well Gus likes a succulent Chinese meal (that’d be half of it). And yes, they have a special academy for halves that we don’t have.

But given the yarn about Chris Faagutu - it doesn’t cost a cent to train harder. Faagutu was a golden boy to some on this forum until he wasn’t. He apparently went to Canterbury in the off-season and was cut free because he couldn’t handle the intensity of their preseason.

Kit bags ! Give me a break.
Back in the 80s I was out watching Wests played Saints at Kogarah - after the game I traipsed back up to Carlton station and as I got on the train I noticed Billy Hilliard still in muddy shorts and socks hop into the same carriage. The Wests prop had just given his all playing 80min against Craig Young and co.
BTW - His kit bag was slung stylishly over a shoulder

 

[Merlot]

Who said that. I certainly didn’t, WT fans are made up from different groups two of which are old Balmain fans and old Wests fans. In those two groups are a small minority who wish things were as they once were in relation to Wests or Balmain.
These minorities occasionally act up on the forum, I have no desire to return to pre 2000 arrangements as I remember how bad things were for Wests.
But I will defend Wests or HBG from unreasonable or unwarranted criticism.

snap. got ya

 

[SeanT]

How did an article about Marshall tackling Doueihi get hijacked into a pissing contest about who’s running the club?

Not sure. Always had a problem with him doing it though. If he was an assistant coach all good but as a head coach the lines are blurred. Hope Richo has a.talk to him.

 

[cochise]

Not sure. Always had a problem with him doing it though. If he was an assistant coach all good but as a head coach the lines are blurred. Hope Richo has a.talk to him.

Slater was doing it with QLD.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

WesternSuburbsBoy...if it's all ancient history, then why does the present jersey still scream "Tigers" with barely a whisper of Magpie heritage?

Wests Ashfield own 90% of our club whichever way you look at it, yet the branding...especially the jersey...feels like a tribute to the 10%.
The dominant orange and black, and our team nearly always referred to as the "Tigers" while the Magpie is reduced to a sleeve patch or heritage round cameo.
That's not balance, that's branding bias.

The board was for a long time previously primarily dominated by hbg
It would be interesting to know the previous board members take on this as they were in control and many from the Wests side of the venture