Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Yeah ..I’m happy with that …it’s adequate depth with some NRL experience … you don’t want to be spending even more money on reserve graders when their are multiple bigger needs in the middle
Fair enough. you could be right and that is sufficient competition and back up.
All 3 are local products so I hope you are right.
 
Quoting your post, but only because it's topical.

Philosophically speaking, how does a club manage the balance between having NRL quality, or more importantly, top 4 quality players and develop the next crop underneath them if they aren't willing to wait for their turn in your system.

Da Silva is a good example. Varying opinions, but some may argue he wasn't 100% ready and it meant letting Api gona little early, so it creates an experience gap in that position while Da Silva develops further.

Alternatively, you keep Da Silva, who is 20 years old, and then the next quality kid comes through and sees a guy with a 15 year career in front of him, isn't he going to leave for a clearer pathway? I don't know how you can manage that effectively and keep all the best ones. Inevitably some will leave and you may not make the right pick in 100% of cases.

For example, it's likely we lose Haywood if Da Silva stays...or Haywood would overtake him and we'd lose Da Silva anyway. Weren't we always going to lose one?

No once can say today how this will work out …we won’t know for a couple of years whether the correct calls were made ..

I tells ya, Haywood has got a lot of wraps on him for an 18 yr old that hasn’t been near first grade yet … fingers crossed, but for me I’m going to take a conservative view for now … one thing I’m hating is Hope as the currently squad second hooker for next year …his upside seems low to me, and I think the decision to upgrade him might have been a bit premature …don’t be surprised if another move is made here…

i have said for months now that this whole situation around Api/TDS is a very difficult call to make, but the club knows all these guys over years - we don’t … these are the sort of calls they have to get right though for us to get to the promised land ..
 
Yep - Get that too...
Our pathways is hardly killing it at the moment (Considering we just lost 2 of the best kids in forever)
It's always big news at WT when we lose young players, right? Penrith lose them all the time, right?
Why did we lose them? ............because they spat the dummy. They wanted to be the number one straight away or I'm out of here. OR were just using WT as a stepping stone to get to where their heart really was OR bolster their ego/bank accounts.
You cant blame WT for not trying, but there are limiting factors to consider, such as salary cap, team harmony and promoting from within by deserving pathways players.
It's all a huge juggle; and very, very hard to keep everyone happy!
But it must be managed a) to keep the best. b) have a plan to attract the best. c) and balance the salary cap. Not an easy path.
 
if you knew anything about our pathways you’d know they’re actually very strong atm & there is NRL talent coming through

I'd hedge my bets I'd know about as much as most,
Having followed them for more than 30 years - Although not as closely the last 2-3.

FYI Jersey Flegg is mid table, And the Magpies are 9th out of 13 Teams, Both Top 5 Comps.
Matts and Ball didn't play finals in either System.
How far back you want to go?

You're definition of 'Really Strong' might need some Adjustment.
 

Unless we have another bench utility who can play dummy half up our sleeve, I damn well hope we're talking to Havili who can cover hooker & be a powerful middle off the bench. This is 100% an area of need for us next season as Hope doesn't have the versatility & Haywood is at least 12-18 months away.
We definitely need either a bigger body or a hard hittting aggressive defender who can potentially start NRL games and get the job done to allow Api to come on at around the 20th minute mark after the heat of the battle.
That is is problem in us signing Tristan Hope to a top 30 deal.
I like Tristan as a player, but he’s only small and is a similar style of player Api, he doesn’t really offer a point of difference such as hard hitting defence.
Havili is getting on in years, but he could potentially offer this point of difference while seeing if our own much younger, but similar style of player in Josese Lanyon develops well enough to become NRL quality.
 
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Unless we have another bench utility who can play dummy half up our sleeve, I damn well hope we're talking to Havili who can cover hooker & be a powerful middle off the bench. This is 100% an area of need for us next season as Hope doesn't have the versatility & Haywood is at least 12-18 months away.

Perfect Bench Utility for us, 4 years too late.
Can Play Dummy half and has some Grunt if you need him elsewhere.
 

Unless we have another bench utility who can play dummy half up our sleeve, I damn well hope we're talking to Havili who can cover hooker & be a powerful middle off the bench. This is 100% an area of need for us next season as Hope doesn't have the versatility & Haywood is at least 12-18 months away.
He would be a great player to get would instantly add aggression to forwards. On a two year contract would be perfect role model for the younger players.
 
It's always big news at WT when we lose young players, right? Penrith lose them all the time, right?
Why did we lose them? ............because they spat the dummy. They wanted to be the number one straight away or I'm out of here. OR were just using WT as a stepping stone to get to where their heart really was OR bolster their ego/bank accounts.
You cant blame WT for not trying, but there are limiting factors to consider, such as salary cap, team harmony and promoting from within by deserving pathways players.
It's all a huge juggle; and very, very hard to keep everyone happy!
But it must be managed a) to keep the best. b) have a plan to attract the best. c) and balance the salary cap. Not an easy path.
It is a “huge juggle”.

Trouble is we’ve been spraying the balls all over the shop for a decade and a half.

Penrith on the other hand lose players because they just keep winning those pesky premierships and either the salary cap, or champion players standing in the way forces some to move on . Also, sadly we don’t have a Jamie Jones deciding with great accuracy who in their pathway system to prioritise
 
Surely recruitment involves a whole bunch of people - with the coach having a huge say.

Talent scouting on the other hand used to be largely ex players, fans, contacts etc out in the country. I can remember back in the early 1990s I even turned my hand to a bit of talent scouting. I remember trying my darnedest to get the Magpies to sign Mal Peckham. The kid was a genius. Little did I know at the time, Arthur Beetson who was at Cronulla then, was similarly keen. Apparently Artie had identified Peckham ahead of Dave Peachey but the young three quarter simply wasn’t interested in leaving Moree (he did later play one season with Redcliffe however). Many years on and after all the dust has settled - stories of the great Mal ‘Sunboy’ Peckham are still told far and wide in NSW country circles 👍
the Bulldogs 7 recruitment guys can make 7x more contacts than our 1 guy. Does it make sense now?
 
I'd hedge my bets I'd know about as much as most,
Having followed them for more than 30 years - Although not as closely the last 2-3.

FYI Jersey Flegg is mid table, And the Magpies are 9th out of 13 Teams, Both Top 5 Comps.
Matts and Ball didn't play finals in either System.
How far back you want to go?

You're definition of 'Really Strong' might need some Adjustment.
cup came dead last, last year & started this year 1/4. richo added external recruits bc he always says you need a strong cup team to have a strong FG side and they have turned that team around. they are at least a chance of finals which hasn’t happened in donkeys years. with the additions of jock & javon that team will be even more competitive

they sacked the flegg coaching staff in may and the team has improved off the back of that, with genuine talent that can’t crack into the cup squad and limited development deals on offer because other talented kids in our pathways have already snapped them up for next year. tino tavana is one of them

just looking at a ladder and saying our pathways are a mess isn’t a correct reflection of how the club is working to strengthen the squads
 
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