Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Red88_Tiger]

Latu is 18 months away, assuming the next 18 months he is playing in the halves and learning his craft. We can't play him as a lock or bench utility for the next 18 months and expect him to be then ready to step into the halves after that.
Ideally we'd be a strong enough side he would be learning his trade in Reggie's. This unfortunately is not the case and even under developed Latu is in our best 17. So for the good of Latu, and the team long term, Latu should be starting next year in the halves.
Of course this is simply all just my opinion and it does not mean Doueihi does not have a place in the side.

A few other things that I think are irrelevant to the discussion but people keep bringing up with regards to keeping Doueihi or his worth
Local junior. Don't care if he has already played elsewhere. Local junior and one club player I might have some sentiment.
Leader: isn't and never has been in my opinion. Too many floors in attitude areas of his game to consider him a leader.
Loves the club. Don't buy it. Has left previously. Has repeatedly shopped himself around. Has previously shown attitude that is far from club first.
Other players values. Do I agree that he offers more value than many other players reportedly on more money, sure. But those players being over paid is not a reason to pay Doueihi more than his worth. If anything it might be the reason we simply can not afford to pay him his worth.

I believe in leadership he definitely talks the talk just doesn’t always back it up on the field

 

[Nonotmeagain]

So in theory there may be a way over time for the N.R.L to adopt an A.F.L style draft and player trading system. Without any legal issues.

The AFL has rules around the draft etc - you cannot play in that competition unless you abide by those rules. The draft is run with the agreement of the AFLPA , they get a lot of concessions around payments etc from the AFL to agree.- which is something the NRL doesn't have so until it gets that you won't see the draft.

 

[gregjm87]

I believe in leadership he definitely talks the talk just doesn’t always back it up on the field

I believe in it from an experience perspective. He is experienced enough to know what is needed when and is a good communicator to say this is what we're going to do boys.
But a leader that drives standards, holds himself and others accountable and can teach younger players professionalism he is not the guy. As you say he does talk the talk but if he isn't backing it up he isn't the guy you want in this role.

 

[Buttface]

Again with the narcissistic delusion 😂
Seriously…. Nobody does 🤷‍♂️
I ‘commented’ because it amuses me (in a cringey way) when sooks refuse to give credit where credit is due. And you’re that guy. With ya “15 years of blah blah sook spit pout”.
Chin up Princess 😘

Good morning Adam.
You care so much you’re stuttering.
I would read your 2nd post but I noticed the biggest dimwitted sucker on here found it funny so obviously it’s not worth reading.
I can tell it’s a very emotional post though, with all the stupid emojis, are you ok? Maybe you should seek help?

Enjoy your day.

Geez, some people hey?

 

[Tito Santana]

Latu is 18 months away, assuming the next 18 months he is playing in the halves and learning his craft. We can't play him as a lock or bench utility for the next 18 months and expect him to be then ready to step into the halves after that.
Ideally we'd be a strong enough side he would be learning his trade in Reggie's. This unfortunately is not the case and even under developed Latu is in our best 17. So for the good of Latu, and the team long term, Latu should be starting next year in the halves.
Of course this is simply all just my opinion and it does not mean Doueihi does not have a place in the side.

A few other things that I think are irrelevant to the discussion but people keep bringing up with regards to keeping Doueihi or his worth
Local junior. Don't care if he has already played elsewhere. Local junior and one club player I might have some sentiment.
Leader: isn't and never has been in my opinion. Too many floors in attitude areas of his game to consider him a leader.
Loves the club. Don't buy it. Has left previously. Has repeatedly shopped himself around. Has previously shown attitude that is far from club first.
Other players values. Do I agree that he offers more value than many other players reportedly on more money, sure. But those players being over paid is not a reason to pay Doueihi more than his worth. If anything it might be the reason we simply can not afford to pay him his worth.

I think what has been proven is that Douhei is required as much as Latu is and Luai.

Luai is a 6 but what does seem to work is the rotation of Douhei and Latu on a case by case basis. I think Latu is more open to coming of off the bench more than Douhei, and both can play lock as well (Douhei can play anywhere really).

The thing I really like about Douhei is his arrogance and run first mentality and wants his hands on the ball constantly.

The signing of Madden is purely for injuries only.

I think overall if we continue to win games, the players will want to stay. Latu gives me the impression he’s not all about him like Galvin.

 

[liltiger]

The AFL has rules around the draft etc - you cannot play in that competition unless you abide by those rules. The draft is run with the agreement of the AFLPA , they get a lot of concessions around payments etc from the AFL to agree.- which is something the NRL doesn't have so until it gets that you won't see the draft.

Theory running around is the N.R.L need to agree to a lumpsum payment with the R.L.P.A for them to agree to it being implemented whenever they write up that agreement. So if the R.L.P.A could come up with a number it could happen. But imo I doubt they ever would.

 

[Snidest 0]

Theory running around is the N.R.L need to agree to a lumpsum payment with the R.L.P.A for them to agree to it being implemented whenever they write up that agreement. So if the R.L.P.A could come up with a number it could happen. But imo I doubt they ever would.

It can't happen - the RLPA has no power to implement it on behalf of its members and there are no pathways to the draft!

 

[tigahhh]

Naden got slapped with a breach & the fainu’s just got a warning

 

[whadafeck]

If Cronk is right in saying Latu is 18 months away from potentially being a dominant starting 7, does that not mean we desperately need Doueihi for the next 18 months at the very least ?
During this time Latu could become so effective as a 13 that he ends up staying there full time.

Isaiya Katoa took 2 years of playing halfback week in, week out before he has finally become dominant. The Dolphins didn't drop him in that time for Sean O'Sullivan when they had plenty of reason to. Tell me, how is Latu going to develop into a dominant halfback if we are just going to play him off the bench for 40 minutes every week?

 

[TYGA]

Isaiya Katoa took 2 years of playing halfback week in, week out before he has finally become dominant. The Dolphins didn't drop him in that time for Sean O'Sullivan when they had plenty of reason to. Tell me, how is Latu going to develop into a dominant halfback if we are just going to play him off the bench for 40 minutes every week?

Wayne dropped Katoa to reserve grade.

 

[Tiger_Yoshi]

Bailey Simonsson wants out from the Eels.....should we go for him?

 

[Buttface]

Naden got slapped with a breach & the fainu’s just got a warning

So does the breach come with a fine or is it just a sterner warning?

 

[tonza]

Could have been carrying his ego.

Could be. If you watch him he is always looking at the big screens.

 

[Tom Shines]

Wayne dropped Katoa to reserve grade.

Yes he did …for Bennett’s last game there when they had to win to make the finals … he also moved the Hammer from fullback to Center …he was called out by their fans at the time , and has since taken his next team to the bottom … I think it’s fair to say Wayne ain’t what he once was

 

[2041]

It always amazes me to hear people talking about a draft as if that's something that would be positive for the Tigers - I assume it's just because we've been crap for so long that people start to assume any other system would have to be better. Literally the one advantage this club should have going for it is a massive junior catchment area, which a draft would immediately render irrelevant. All a draft would mean is that we'd be competing with the bigger, richer clubs without any edge.

The reason why the AFL draft sort of works isn't the draft itself but the incredibly restrictive contracts players coming into the league are put under. You can't be an unrestricted free agent in the AFL until you have been at a club for eight years and even then if you're in the top earners on a list your current club has the right to match any offer. People might want the NRL to introduce similar rules but it's never going to happen - for one thing, severely restricting the earnings capabilities of young league players would just reopen the talent drain to union, in Australia or offshore. The AFL doesn't have this concern.

And despite all that, the AFL still has lousy clubs down at the bottom year after year and big names more or less perpetually at the top. Yes, when players force a trade to a preferred club their current club gets draft picks. But they just get used on more young talent that then leaves.

Basically, what would happen in a draft would be a turbocharged version of what happens now. Bad teams like the Tigers would get the best talent at 18 years old (assuming we don't make a balls up of our picks, which, hmm), would give it first grade experience up until more or less exactly the point at which it starts to really flourish... and then lose it to bigger teams. The difference would be that instead of having the chance to supplement your Galvins and Makasinis - top five draft picks - with a heap of 30-50 pick equivalents, all the lower picks go to the teams that are also doing the poaching.

Basically, building a system like Penrith or Canberra would become impossible because the talent all gets artificially shared round at 18. At this point there's no purpose for a club to invest in pathways and juniors. The NRL itself has no interest in long-term planning so grassroots rugby league would get starved of funding.

Basically, a draft would be terrible for the game and terrible for clubs like the Tigers. It's a dreadful idea and one that ought to be sealed in concrete and dropped in the ocean.

 

[Demps]

Think Javon Andrews will be managed by the same manager as Luai.

 

[Vicious]

100% Greg. Doueihi didn't do anything a conventional halfback should do to lay on or score tries. He didn't win the game by orchestrating great attacking play in shape, putting the defence in two minds with deft halfback play of digging into the line, squaring up, clever passing, wonderful attacking kicking for repeat sets or points, or anything of the sort. Kikau in particular made some horrendous errors which Doueihi exposed for the first two tries. A very Wests-like performance from Kikau which we most likely won't see again for a while. By all means, Doueihi took advantage of these opportunities, but to think he's now a team-leading general after 1 game, in horrendous conditions, where the opposition made a tonne of uncharacteristic errors, is laughable. It's very Wests Tigers though to ignore the past month of putrid football and sign a player for overs for a performance in one game. Canterbury allowed Doueihi to shine. A bit like how Wests allowed Tannah Boyd to shine in his first match for the Warriors, and he's been average since.

Doueihi's try involvements v Canterbury:
1. Kikau was offside at the ruck and subsequently receives the ball. Penalty Wests. In the ensuing Goodball set, Kikau rushes out of the defensive line (and system) and slips off Doueihi due to the wet. Poor attempt at wrapping the ball allows Doueihi to offload for Skelton's try.

2. Xerri makes a legs tackle on a Skelton kick return who finds his front and a quick play the ball. Xerri is out of the play and only one marker is present. Kikau doesn't realise the situation and only has eyes for the open-side which is what a first marker does in a 2-marker system. Doueihi seizes the opportunity down the short-side, and practically bombs the try with a forward pass to Bula which wasn't called.

3. Doueihi pounces on a loose-ball for a try.

To think that 'we've found the blue-print' when you actually drill down to how those tries came about is laughable. If you look at the stats, Canterbury still win carry metres, average set metres, tackle efficiency, and all with less total possession. The biggest variable in this match was the weather and the errors Canterbury made because of it.

If Doueihi wants to make a decision now, and take what Dragons are offering, then good luck to him. He needs to show that he can produce actual NRL half back standard performances before Richo upgrades the dollars in his deal. So far, he's shown absolutely nothing. And I haven't even talked about the history of his defensive efforts.

Decisions need to be made on a body of work, not an outlier.

Ok let him go and let Latu Fainu and Jock Madden battle it out to be our regular starting 7, that will be much better,
Are we trying to make the top 8 or trying to win more wooden spoons ?

 

[jirskyr]

Look I’ve been very vocal on this as I cannot believe the lack of common sense in Richo or any of our fans thinking it’s a good idea to make a lowball offeri to Doueihi and it will be ok if he goes because of it.
If anyone doesn’t believe me, have a listen to Cooper Cronk’s recent comments and he’s supposedly been working with us recently, so I’d say he would have a fair idea on what we need,
For those who cannot find it, he said Latu Fainu still has a lot of growing to do in regards to being a 7 and leading a team around the park and thinks he is a good 18 months away from being at that required level.

I try not to listen to Cooper Cronk's comments, bloke is supremely arrogant.

 

[Vicious]

I try not to listen to Cooper Cronk's comments, bloke is supremely arrogant.

He may be arrogant, but knows what he is talking about.
Would you seriously take the opinion of supporters on a forum over his opinion when it comes to halfback play and who is ready or not ready ?

 

[jirskyr]

It always amazes me to hear people talking about a draft as if that's something that would be positive for the Tigers - I assume it's just because we've been crap for so long that people start to assume any other system would have to be better. Literally the one advantage this club should have going for it is a massive junior catchment area, which a draft would immediately render irrelevant. All a draft would mean is that we'd be competing with the bigger, richer clubs without any edge.

The reason why the AFL draft sort of works isn't the draft itself but the incredibly restrictive contracts players coming into the league are put under. You can't be an unrestricted free agent in the AFL until you have been at a club for eight years and even then if you're in the top earners on a list your current club has the right to match any offer. People might want the NRL to introduce similar rules but it's never going to happen - for one thing, severely restricting the earnings capabilities of young league players would just reopen the talent drain to union, in Australia or offshore. The AFL doesn't have this concern.

And despite all that, the AFL still has lousy clubs down at the bottom year after year and big names more or less perpetually at the top. Yes, when players force a trade to a preferred club their current club gets draft picks. But they just get used on more young talent that then leaves.

Basically, what would happen in a draft would be a turbocharged version of what happens now. Bad teams like the Tigers would get the best talent at 18 years old (assuming we don't make a balls up of our picks, which, hmm), would give it first grade experience up until more or less exactly the point at which it starts to really flourish... and then lose it to bigger teams. The difference would be that instead of having the chance to supplement your Galvins and Makasinis - top five draft picks - with a heap of 30-50 pick equivalents, all the lower picks go to the teams that are also doing the poaching.

Basically, building a system like Penrith or Canberra would become impossible because the talent all gets artificially shared round at 18. At this point there's no purpose for a club to invest in pathways and juniors. The NRL itself has no interest in long-term planning so grassroots rugby league would get starved of funding.

Basically, a draft would be terrible for the game and terrible for clubs like the Tigers. It's a dreadful idea and one that ought to be sealed in concrete and dropped in the ocean.

I don't know if it's a terrible idea for NRL but I appreciate your analysis compared to the AFL, to show how their circumstances are different.