HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

BeeCeen said:
Based on the fact that the club has been a basket case for 10 years, finished last 3 times in a row, and in response undertook a review which identified that in order to be successful needed to implement a fundamental change of governance, which was summarily thrown away.

The existence of the club, at core, depends upon sufficient people supporting the franchise. And the last 7 days has broken to faith of a significant number of dedicated supporters, the loss of which will further undermine the viability of the club.
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I guess your point will be proven when all the club support disappears
 
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The Chad said:
I guess your point will be proven when all the club support disappears
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That’s the worry, yes.

Hopefully not, for the club’s sake.

But if you were a marketing professional, you would likely think that the strongest supporters of a football club would be those reading and posting on a supporters forum in the offseason, or making / viewing fan podcasts in the offseason. From the evidence available, what has occurred doesn’t appear to have exactly helped support for the club.
 
cochise said:
Existed is the right word, because it definitely wasn't successful.
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What do we base that on though?

Financially, were the club any worse than over 50% of the other NRL clubs? Pascoe used to bang on about membership numbers & finances going up all the time.

Or are we talking success on the field? Because either we absolve all the previous coaches of their responsibility & it's all HBG's fault, or HBG put coaches like Sheens, Maguire etc in front of the players & the coaches failed.

I'm not a HBG stooge/supporter or anything like that. It's just that the rhetoric at the moment is being fuelled by a lot of fear of the unknown.
 
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The Chad said:
"The only thing is, they all got speared over the stadium thing...allegedly."

"Player signings? Only once they were out of the way." We have only signed players at the club after HBG had put in some independent board members?

Why did Richo put in clauses? Don't know. Because he wanted to ensure he worked with Barry O'Farrell? Who knows? Why didn't previous CEO's have those clauses?

You can be as pissy with me as you want. I don't care. I'm not happy Richo left. But, it's not about to change my support of the club. I don't follow the CEO. I hope the next guy is good. And until someone with more clout than HBG takes over the club, I'm not about to let it get me so worked up that every post is akin to the sky falling on my head.

The club existed before Richo & with HBG. It will after Richo & with HBG.
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Pissy? I thought you're head was in the clouds before, but now I'm starting to wonder if you're on substances. BTW I'm not worked up...just focused on what needs to be done.

I love your optimism Chad, and I have nothing against you if that's how you're taking this, but I do think you're being a bit naive.

I've been involved in similar situations and you'd be surprised at how petty things can get amongst adults who should know better. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily right, but I've seen this play out before and just drawing on what I see and some.experience. You have to ask yourself, why would anyone want to make changes at board level after the results we achieved? It was the biggest shock in rugby league out of nowhere.

There's just no way you'd spear 4 independents unless you didn't like how the votes were going against your agenda.
seperate ro that, Wests Ashfield have 2 member elected board members...both speared...member elected! You can't make this stuff up...it's been going on for years.

It doesn't seem strange to you that every single person making commentary is all saying the same thing about the owners? I haven't heard one commentator take your view on things and these guys are closer to it than you and me.

I don't want this to be a pissing contest about who is right or wrong. Respect your opinion and you're entitled to have it. I know I was a little sarcastic before, but I like you and value your contribution, so I hope you haven't taken offence at any of my comments.

I'm just quite sure that with all the CEOs, coaches (2 of which have gone on to win premierships), players, staff, chairmen and board members we've gone through that it's probably time to point the finger at the owners because they either can't pick quality people, or they're getting in the way.
 
BAGNF05 said:
The club has plenty of supporters. The shareholders only a small crew of noisy apologists.
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Do the shareholders need supporters?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make except maybe tar me with the 'apologist' tag, which is fine.

But the point being made was the fear the club might cease to exist due to a lack of support. Which you just pointed out...the club has a lot of supporters.

Which is the point I was making.

Fans will continue to turn up.
 
A very sad day for the club. I was really excited about next year but not now.

I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Patons mouth going forward. These clowns are dead set on a course of self destruction. As they say you reap what you sow.
 
BeeCeen said:
That’s the worry, yes.

Hopefully not, for the club’s sake.

But if you were a marketing professional, you would likely think that the strongest supporters of a football club would be those reading and posting on a supporters forum in the offseason, or making / viewing fan podcasts in the offseason. From the evidence available, what has occurred doesn’t appear to have exactly helped support for the club.
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I would think marketing professionals would be taking in all the available data they can.

And probably waiting to see what happens in the future.

Fortunately a lot of the clubs sponsorship is locked in.
 
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The Chad said:
Do the shareholders need supporters?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make except maybe tar me with the 'apologist' tag, which is fine.

But the point being made was the fear the club might cease to exist due to a lack of support. Which you just pointed out...the club has a lot of supporters.

Which is the point I was making.

Fans will continue to turn up.
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Hopefully they show up Saturday morning 10:30am at Pratten Park.

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Not sure if this has been suggested but I think the WT board appoint the CEO and not HBG? If so, could it be that HB wanted Richo out for whatever (I think he may not have consulted them on some decisions) and potentially couldn’t get the numbers via the independents?
Pretty dumb and public blood letting if true but I am just trying to understand the motive here? Perhaps the whistleblower raised questions with HBG over the Enrichd monies? Many have suggested that it’s a ploy to get the Magpies back? I am not so sure - I think there is something else at play here.
 
The Chad said:
Do the shareholders need supporters?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make except maybe tar me with the 'apologist' tag, which is fine.

But the point being made was the fear the club might cease to exist due to a lack of support. Which you just pointed out...the club has a lot of supporters.

Which is the point I was making.

Fans will continue to turn up.
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You have 3 things correct in this post

1. Yes. You were tarred with the apologist tag
2. The club will not cease to exist
3. Fans will turn up...mainly the apologists
 
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weststigers said:
Pissy? I thought you're head was in the clouds before, but now I'm starting to wonder if you're on substances. BTW I'm not worked up...just focused on what needs to be done.

I love your optimism Chad, and I have nothing against you if that's how you're taking this, but I do think you're being a bit naive.

I've been involved in similar situations and you'd be surprised at how petty things can get amongst adults who should know better. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily right, but I've seen this play out before and just drawing on what I see and some.experience. You have to ask yourself, why would anyone want to make changes at board level after the results we achieved? It was the biggest shock in rugby league out of nowhere.

There's just no way you'd spear 4 independents unless you didn't like how the votes were going against your agenda.
seperate ro that, Wests Ashfield have 2 member elected board members...both speared...member elected! You can't make this stuff up...it's been going on for years.

It doesn't seem strange to you that every single person making commentary is all saying the same thing about the owners? I haven't heard one commentator take your view on things and these guys are closer to it than you and me.

I don't want this to be a pissing contest about who is right or wrong. Respect your opinion and you're entitled to have it. I know I was a little sarcastic before, but I like you and value your contribution, so I hope you haven't taken offence at any of my comments.

I'm just quite sure that with all the CEOs, coaches (2 of which have gone on to win premierships), players, staff, chairmen and board members we've gone through that it's probably time to point the finger at the owners because they either can't pick quality people, or they're getting in the way.
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All good Bro. Your message is a little mixed, but all good.

Do I think HBG are great. Nope.

Do I like that Richo is gone? No.

The agenda people are talking about WAS brought up by Lee Hagipentalis. Now, this can be taken two ways. It could support an argument. Or it could make you remember a lot of the things Lee used to say when he was on the board & make you question it internally a little.

Whatever the reason is for what HBG have done- I can pretty much guarantee that my level of outrage about it will make zero difference.

So again, I hope the next guy is good. And I hope we win in Round 2. And anything that happens between now & then....well, it happens.
 
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The Chad said:
Has any other CEO been handcuffed from making decisions?

HBG are not a new entity to the club. Everyone was quite happy putting pitchforks into Lee & Pascoe- they made decisions under HBG leadership too.

I understand the frustration people are facing. But the reality is- not a whole lot changes. We are whipping ourselves into a frenzy about perceptions.
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It's not about perception when it comes to governance and failure. Up until recently I think very few understood how the board were elected and their entitlement to those positions.
I can tell you I had no idea about the debenture system when Pascoe was appointed.
There is no accountability for their immense power to control the direction of the club which they exercised this week. And history will show that their is a common denominator in our failure and they are still there
 
weststigers said:
Some lemmings will drink the HBG kool-aid, you are right about that. It will not disappear entirely.
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I think a large portion of the fan base will support the Tigers regardless of HBG. It's nothing to do with kool-aid & everything to do with just supporting the club you love.

Now, you can stop watching the Tigers, get all bitter & hold a grudge against the evil HBG empire & stop getting any enjoyment from football if you like.

But I expect most fans will not follow suit.
 
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