HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

[Telltails]

So they lied when they said it wasn't about the jersey... it was about communicating

If a jersey that sells out in a few weeks of release is a misjudgemnt then i dunno what their priorities are

People constantly bring up the money HB tip in... but if mercandise going gangbusters and helping in us making a profit as in this year... then why is it a misjudgement, id have thought they'd be pleased with that outcome

Almost a copy of 2005 jersey. Just maybe - without knowing - it was to engage the fans and look forward to a season of success like it was in 2005. It didn't seem to go unnoticed by the fans and if jerseys are made to sell - it being an issue with the board then once again they have made asses of themselves.

 

[Vicious]

So they lied when they said it wasn't about the jersey... it was about communicating

If a jersey that sells out in a few weeks of release is a misjudgemnt then i dunno what their priorities are

People constantly bring up the money HB tip in... but if mercandise going gangbusters and helping in us making a profit as in this year... then why is it a misjudgement, id have thought they'd be pleased with that outcome

I personally don’t have an issue with the jersey. I’m assuming we have an alternate jersey with plenty of black in it ? I don’t really know and I don’t really care.
However put yourself in the shoes of a 90% shareholder who’s history is represented by the colours black and white.
Common sense tells you that if plans were being made to have the main playing jersey, being the home jersey as predominantly orange, you would think maybe I need to run this past and have a discussion with the 90% shareholders before making it official.
Quite obviously they didn’t want to have a hard discussion with the 90% shareholders about it, so thought it was better to hide it from them before the official release.
Highly likely it was a similar story with plans to no longer have Wests Magpies as our NSW Cup team.
Highly likely it was a similar story with the 15 year deal with Leichhardt Oval.
Highly likely it was a similar story with paying well above the average market value for the services provided by Enriched.
The good news is I’m 💯 confident Shaun Mirkenkamp won’t hide anything and will communicate and have the hard discussions when required.

 

[cochise]

One question makes it easier to answer.
No I don’t believe all Wests Ashfield members or HBG debenture holders of HBG board members wanted to dismiss the Wests Tigers independent board members.
I am very confident the vast majority of Wests Ashfield members who have no say in the matter, but closely follow Wests Tigers would have much preferred it never happened.
As for the HBG debenture holders and board members, I don’t have any concrete evidence on this, but like most other boards there is always going to be internal power struggles and disagreements and I don’t believe all were in favour of dismissing the Wests Tigers independent board members.

There was a debenture holder at the rally.

 

[Vicious]

There was a debenture holder at the rally.

Proof that not all involved with Wests Ashfield or HBG are no good or don’t care.

 

[jadtiger]

Proof that not all involved with Wests Ashfield or HBG are no good or don’t care.

I am sure that could be true however i don't think there is the slightest doubt collectively they are a handbrake on our club.

 

[mtd#2]

Quite obviously they didn’t want to have a hard discussion with the 90% shareholders about it, so thought it was better to hide it from them before the official release.

Highly likely it was a similar story with plans to no longer have Wests Magpies as our NSW Cup team.

Highly likely it was a similar story with the 15 year deal with Leichhardt Oval.

Highly likely it was a similar story with paying
well above the average market value for the services provided by Enriched.

Highly likely, is that right... What do you have to support any of these statements?

 

[cochise]

I personally don’t have an issue with the jersey. I’m assuming we have an alternate jersey with plenty of black in it ? I don’t really know and I don’t really care.
However put yourself in the shoes of a 90% shareholder who’s history is represented by the colours black and white.
Common sense tells you that if plans were being made to have the main playing jersey, being the home jersey as predominantly orange, you would think maybe I need to run this past and have a discussion with the 90% shareholders before making it official.
Quite obviously they didn’t want to have a hard discussion with the 90% shareholders about it, so thought it was better to hide it from them before the official release.
Highly likely it was a similar story with plans to no longer have Wests Magpies as our NSW Cup team.
Highly likely it was a similar story with the 15 year deal with Leichhardt Oval.
Highly likely it was a similar story with paying well above the average market value for the services provided by Enriched.
The good news is I’m 💯 confident Shaun Mirkenkamp won’t hide anything and will communicate and have the hard discussions when required.

Mate how can their be a lack of communication when HBG had 2 reps on the board? How can they be hiding stuff when HBG had 2 reps on the board?

If HBG blew up our club over a jersey then they can piss off.

We all know this was nothing but a powerplay though.

 

[Vicious]

Highly likely, is that right... What do you have to support any of these statements?

What do you have to support any of these statements are not true ?

 

[cochise]

What do you have to support any of these statements are not true ?

That's not how it works when you are the one making the claims.

 

[Vicious]

Mate how can their be a lack of communication when HBG had 2 reps on the board? How can they be hiding stuff when HBG had 2 reps on the board?

If HBG blew up our club over a jersey then they can piss off.

We all know this was nothing but a powerplay though.

A culmination of many things being done, hif from them before being revealed.
That’s not how you do business in anyone’s terms, you run important things past 9@% shareholders regardless if you know they are not going to like it and may not agree.
That’s what happens with arrogant people, they have an attitude that it’s their way or the highway.
Luckily Shaun Mielenkamp is not like that.

 

[mtd#2]

What do you have to support any of these statements are not true ?

The burden of proof is on you mate, your the one making the claims.

 

[cochise]

A culmination of many things being done, hif from them before being revealed.
That’s not how you do business in anyone’s terms, you run important things past 9@% shareholders regardless if you know they are not going to like it and may not agree.
That’s what happens with arrogant people, they have an attitude that it’s their way or the highway.
Luckily Shaun Mielenkamp is not like that.

I ask again, how weren't HBG consulted? They had 2 reps on the WT Board.

 

[Vicious]

That's not how it works when you are the one making the claims.

Hang in the whole agenda is being pushed based on Wests Ashfield/ HBG having absolutely no reason to be upset and make what has turned out to be irrational decisions because if it.
Common sense tells that yes they should not be making irrational decisions that effect the integrity of Wests Tigers, but common sense tells you that based on Al the comments and information that has gone out, they did not just do this without certain things happening and hid from them that should not have been.
It is also quite obvious based on recent comments that they are well aware there is no possibility of the Magpies returning at NRL level, they are well aware the only way forward is to put all their support into helping Wests Tigers being successful and they are well aware they are skating on in ice in regards to their NRL shareholder involvement.

 

[cochise]

Hang in the whole agenda is being pushed based on Wests Ashfield/ HBG having absolutely no reason to be upset and make what has turned out to be irrational decisions because if it.
Common sense tells that yes they should not be making irrational decisions that effect the integrity of Wests Tigers, but common sense tells you that based on Al the comments and information that has gone out, they did not just do this without certain things happening and hid from them that should not have been.
It is also quite obvious based on recent comments that they are well aware there is no possibility of the Magpies returning at NRL level, they are well aware the only way forward is to put all their support into helping Wests Tigers being successful and they are well aware they are skating on in ice in regards to their NRL shareholder involvement.

You refuse to answer, how can things be hidden from them when they had 2 reps on the board?

 

[Vicious]

I ask again, how weren't HBG consulted? They had 2 reps on the WT Board.

I believe Richo via BOF were pushing their delegations of authority to the limit and likely at times exceeding their delegation of authority to approve things they knew would have potentially been rejected if taken o board level.
If this was not the case why has lack of communication been brought up several times and why would they have become upset if nothing happened o annoy them ?
I have never known anyone to get upset unless something has happened to annoy them.

 

[nrlsurvivor]

Sounds like you’re saying they want just one last chance to redeem themselves?

 

[cochise]

I believe Richo via BOF were pushing their delegations of authority to the limit and likely at times exceeding their delegation of authority to approve things they knew would have potentially been rejected if taken o board level.
If this was not the case why has lack of communication been brought up several times and why would they have become upset if nothing happened o annoy them ?
I have never known anyone to get upset unless something has happened to annoy them.

So why were the 4 independents removed?

 

[Vicious]

You refuse to answer, how can things be hidden from them when they had 2 reps on the board?

Not every single decision is taken to board level and when you get someone as experienced as Richo, I assume he was given a bit more leeway to make decisions than what most other CEO’s would be given.
That does t mean you take advantage of the situation and make decisions you know full and well may not be agreed to by the 90% shareholders without bringing it to their attention and having a hard discussion with them if required.

 

[BZN]

It might be our players but it isn’t WT in Cup it’s a different name and a different team. It doesn’t show unity which is why I think 99% of people want us playing under WT in Cup. Can you honestly say you’ve seen a real big crowd under the Magpies name for us in Cup? I know I haven’t. But I haven’t been to every Cup game.

I've been told I am disloyal to WESTS TIGERS and should leave the forum for supporting WESTS MAGPIES as my 2nd team

They also got their PR boys working overtime. A bit suspicious how many new Pro HBG accounts have popped up on here recently Lol

A bit suspicious you say.
A few more pro HBG accounts and there'll be something like 10% pro accounts as compared to 90% anti HBG accounts.

Are you sure it's still suspicious, or are you worried pro HBG accounts may flood this forum.

 

[cochise]

I believe Richo via BOF were pushing their delegations of authority to the limit and likely at times exceeding their delegation of authority to approve things they knew would have potentially been rejected if taken o board level.
If this was not the case why has lack of communication been brought up several times and why would they have become upset if nothing happened o annoy them ?
I have never known anyone to get upset unless something has happened to annoy them.

These guys have a history of acting rashly and dismissing board members.

See, none of my claims need backing up as there is plenty of evidence to support them.