CEO Forum 20 Jan 26 - Hotwash Part 1

[gallagher]

You can dig and get some info - I was able to find a few details if I recall Canberra, us and the Dogs. I was able to get some rough figures for Manly - but for cluns similar to ours the $ input from HBG is way down. I will see if I can dig our what I found tonight/tomorrow.

Cheers Jolls! Love ya work

 

[tigertragic]

This ‘suggested’ support by PVL for Wests Tigers rather than HBG is great but only comforting whilst ever PVL is in control.
The next leader ‘say’ in 5 years time, not an unreasonable likely end term for PVL, is when the current NRL club arrangements are suggested to be up for re evaluation. I forget the correct term being stated for this 2030 agreement end date/review.

Then the real HBG games ‘may’ begin.

I hope this never eventuates but I have no faith in the honest intentions of HBG and feel the recent issues have to resolved permanently not just reliant on current PVL pressures on HBG.

 

[Merlot]

This ‘suggested’ support by PVL for Wests Tigers rather than HBG is great but only comforting whilst ever PVL is in control.
The next leader ‘say’ in 5 years time, not an unreasonable likely end term for PVL, is when the current NRL club arrangements are suggested to be up for re evaluation. I forget the correct term being stated for this 2030 agreement end date/review.

Then the real HBG games ‘may’ begin.

I hope this never eventuates but I have no faith in the honest intentions of HBG and feel the recent issues have to resolved permanently not just reliant on current PVL pressures on HBG.

Flip side is ,they outsmarted themselves , if they don't get with the programme and get swapped out for another franchise .
They all sold their soles for a slice of the pie - every single club

 

[innsaneink]

How did that happen? I have no idea who this is or how I was quoted?

Dont know mate just stumbled across it was wondering if you'd chatted with this bloke...first time ive seen him on FB didnt check his youtube

 

[innsaneink]

This ‘suggested’ support by PVL for Wests Tigers rather than HBG is great but only comforting whilst ever PVL is in control.
The next leader ‘say’ in 5 years time, not an unreasonable likely end term for PVL, is when the current NRL club arrangements are suggested to be up for re evaluation. I forget the correct term being stated for this 2030 agreement end date/review.

Then the real HBG games ‘may’ begin.

I hope this never eventuates but I have no faith in the honest intentions of HBG and feel the recent issues have to resolved permanently not just reliant on current PVL pressures on HBG.

Heritage deed

Seems it applys only to us

 

[Merlot]

Heritage deed??

Lasts until the next bend over for the money sign off is due in a few years

 

[Spartan117]

Hopefully Shaun can get more funding from them because ATM we are the least funded team in the NRL
Can’t compete at a high level without the resources

The other clubs such as the Dogs poor millions into their team and reap the rewards through fans spending at their clubs

Imagine, Wests clubs throughout Sydney all packed on game day because the Tigers are winning...

 

[Jolls]

Is there a list of all clubs funding?

This is what I found after digging around mid last year:

......The sources are from all over the shop so it may not be comparing apples with apples, but if you look at what they generate and what's contibuted it is significantly more that our staff are playing with so we are definitely doing it on the skinny.

Club	Est. Revenue (2024)	Owner	Reported investment in NRL spend
Warriors	~A$11.6 M	Autex Industries (Mark Robinson)	Club earns approx 11.6M in revenue. I could find no information on how this is invested. No info on owner donations
Manly Sea Eagles	~A$11.5 M	Scott Penn (100% owner)	Club earns approx $11.5M but I could find no information on how this is invested. Peen is reported to have invested an addtional $6.6 M since 2006 ($2.6M as a personal donation)
Canberra Raiders	~A$25.9 M (franchise); league club ~A$92 M	Canberra District RL Football Club	$5 M+ via league‑club profits Canberra Raiders is a not for profit so this is the spend on top of the NRL grant.
Cronulla Sharks	~A$19.5–22 M	Cronulla‑Sutherland District RLFC	$5M on top of a $2.74M football department profit in 2024. The Sharks are not run as a Not for Profit organisation; but the Leagues Club is. There is potential for funding to increase once new Leagues Club is complete ($30M investment)
Wests Tigers	~A$67.8 M* (non‑grant income)	Holman Barnes Group (via Wests Ashfield Leagues Clubs)	1.8M (2024) Wests Tigers is a not for profit so this is the spend on top of the NRL grant.

You can only imagine how much the like of Brisbane and the Storm are throwing around. The bottom line is that HBG are doing bugger all for us, even though their primary objective si to support rugby league in the region. You have to wonder, given the objectives of the club, how they can justify funding sports like rugby union and soccer , that are in direct competition for our junior base. I get it that it s community based club - but it is a community based rugby league club. It appear that most of the pokies $ go back into the clubs as oopposed to supporting the growth and development of Wests Tiges and our pathways. This is the norm that Shaun and his team are targeting for change.

 

[wstigers11]

This is what I found after digging around mid last year:

......The sources are from all over the shop so it may not be comparing apples with apples, but if you look at what they generate and what's contibuted it is significantly more that our staff are playing with so we are definitely doing it on the skinny.

Club	Est. Revenue (2024)	Owner	Reported investment in NRL spend
Warriors	~A$11.6 M	Autex Industries (Mark Robinson)	Club earns approx 11.6M in revenue. I could find no information on how this is invested. No info on owner donations
Manly Sea Eagles	~A$11.5 M	Scott Penn (100% owner)	Club earns approx $11.5M but I could find no information on how this is invested. Peen is reported to have invested an addtional $6.6 M since 2006 ($2.6M as a personal donation)
Canberra Raiders	~A$25.9 M (franchise); league club ~A$92 M	Canberra District RL Football Club	$5 M+ via league‑club profits Canberra Raiders is a not for profit so this is the spend on top of the NRL grant.
Cronulla Sharks	~A$19.5–22 M	Cronulla‑Sutherland District RLFC	$5M on top of a $2.74M football department profit in 2024. The Sharks are not run as a Not for Profit organisation; but the Leagues Club is. There is potential for funding to increase once new Leagues Club is complete ($30M investment)
Wests Tigers	~A$67.8 M* (non‑grant income)	Holman Barnes Group (via Wests Ashfield Leagues Clubs)	1.8M (2024) Wests Tigers is a not for profit so this is the spend on top of the NRL grant.

You can only imagine how much the like of Brisbane and the Storm are throwing around. The bottom line is that HBG are doing bugger all for us, even though their primary objective si to support rugby league in the region. You have to wonder, given the objectives of the club, how they can justify funding sports like rugby union and soccer , that are in direct competition for our junior base. I get it that it s community based club - but it is a community based rugby league club. It appear that most of the pokies $ go back into the clubs as oopposed to supporting the growth and development of Wests Tiges and our pathways. This is the norm that Shaun and his team are targeting for change.

Ridiculously underfunded. The dogs spend $5 million annually on pathways and development alone.

 

[gallagher]

This is what I found after digging around mid last year:

......The sources are from all over the shop so it may not be comparing apples with apples, but if you look at what they generate and what's contibuted it is significantly more that our staff are playing with so we are definitely doing it on the skinny.

Club	Est. Revenue (2024)	Owner	Reported investment in NRL spend
Warriors	~A$11.6 M	Autex Industries (Mark Robinson)	Club earns approx 11.6M in revenue. I could find no information on how this is invested. No info on owner donations
Manly Sea Eagles	~A$11.5 M	Scott Penn (100% owner)	Club earns approx $11.5M but I could find no information on how this is invested. Peen is reported to have invested an addtional $6.6 M since 2006 ($2.6M as a personal donation)
Canberra Raiders	~A$25.9 M (franchise); league club ~A$92 M	Canberra District RL Football Club	$5 M+ via league‑club profits Canberra Raiders is a not for profit so this is the spend on top of the NRL grant.
Cronulla Sharks	~A$19.5–22 M	Cronulla‑Sutherland District RLFC	$5M on top of a $2.74M football department profit in 2024. The Sharks are not run as a Not for Profit organisation; but the Leagues Club is. There is potential for funding to increase once new Leagues Club is complete ($30M investment)
Wests Tigers	~A$67.8 M* (non‑grant income)	Holman Barnes Group (via Wests Ashfield Leagues Clubs)	1.8M (2024) Wests Tigers is a not for profit so this is the spend on top of the NRL grant.

You can only imagine how much the like of Brisbane and the Storm are throwing around. The bottom line is that HBG are doing bugger all for us, even though their primary objective si to support rugby league in the region. You have to wonder, given the objectives of the club, how they can justify funding sports like rugby union and soccer , that are in direct competition for our junior base. I get it that it s community based club - but it is a community based rugby league club. It appear that most of the pokies $ go back into the clubs as oopposed to supporting the growth and development of Wests Tiges and our pathways. This is the norm that Shaun and his team are targeting for change.

Cheers mate. It seems they can afford to put more in, but the club itself isn't much better. Playing at substandard grounds instead of stadiums that generate more income doesn't make sense.
We're a stupid club from to to bottom.

 

[TIGERS]

This is what I found after digging around mid last year:

......The sources are from all over the shop so it may not be comparing apples with apples, but if you look at what they generate and what's contibuted it is significantly more that our staff are playing with so we are definitely doing it on the skinny.

Club	Est. Revenue (2024)	Owner	Reported investment in NRL spend
Warriors	~A$11.6 M	Autex Industries (Mark Robinson)	Club earns approx 11.6M in revenue. I could find no information on how this is invested. No info on owner donations
Manly Sea Eagles	~A$11.5 M	Scott Penn (100% owner)	Club earns approx $11.5M but I could find no information on how this is invested. Peen is reported to have invested an addtional $6.6 M since 2006 ($2.6M as a personal donation)
Canberra Raiders	~A$25.9 M (franchise); league club ~A$92 M	Canberra District RL Football Club	$5 M+ via league‑club profits Canberra Raiders is a not for profit so this is the spend on top of the NRL grant.
Cronulla Sharks	~A$19.5–22 M	Cronulla‑Sutherland District RLFC	$5M on top of a $2.74M football department profit in 2024. The Sharks are not run as a Not for Profit organisation; but the Leagues Club is. There is potential for funding to increase once new Leagues Club is complete ($30M investment)
Wests Tigers	~A$67.8 M* (non‑grant income)	Holman Barnes Group (via Wests Ashfield Leagues Clubs)	1.8M (2024) Wests Tigers is a not for profit so this is the spend on top of the NRL grant.

You can only imagine how much the like of Brisbane and the Storm are throwing around. The bottom line is that HBG are doing bugger all for us, even though their primary objective si to support rugby league in the region. You have to wonder, given the objectives of the club, how they can justify funding sports like rugby union and soccer , that are in direct competition for our junior base. I get it that it s community based club - but it is a community based rugby league club. It appear that most of the pokies $ go back into the clubs as oopposed to supporting the growth and development of Wests Tiges and our pathways. This is the norm that Shaun and his team are targeting for change.

Hmmm, not sure looking at the balance sheet tells the whole story. Like I'd rather see 1 million spent under Richo than 5 million spent under Pascoe. Extra money with the wrong person in charge just gets invested into barber shops and too many Scott Fultons getting 250k and leaking about Aidan Sezer. Steve Noyce was better for us as CEO because he understood grassroots footy clubs, far better than super corporate Stephen Humphries who ruined our salary cap and couldn't lie straight in bed.

Same with amount of people at a club. Any more than 4 opinions in a meeting, they start to take longer and get less specific results. I've heard that Gallant is really good at what he does. Not saying that less is always better, but sometimes leaner operations can be more effective and agile than big lumbering giants, or comfy status quo setups. The club has fantastic facilities so I wouldn't say its completely under resourced.

Wests Tigers shouldn't need HBG in the same way that Souths no longer need Rusty as their sugar daddy. Souths are profitable in their own right. And I feel like the the NRL grant being what it is, that really changed the dynamic of HBG's influence is a really ironic way. HBG kind of get to stand on the shoulders of broadcast value, and the political weight they are throwing around is not proportionate to what they contribute, (or have historically contributed) in real terms.

Look back to how broke and under-resourced the club was in 2013 to see how Wests Ashfield turn up in a crisis.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Hmmm, not sure looking at the balance sheet tells the whole story. Like I'd rather see 1 million spent under Richo than 5 million spent under Pascoe. Extra money with the wrong person in charge just gets invested into barber shops and too many Scott Fultons getting 250k and leaking about Aidan Sezer. Steve Noyce was better for us as CEO because he understood grassroots footy clubs, far better than super corporate Stephen Humphries who ruined our salary cap and couldn't lie straight in bed.

Same with amount of people at a club. Any more than 4 opinions in a meeting, they start to take longer and get less specific results. I've heard that Gallant is really good at what he does. Not saying that less is always better, but sometimes leaner operations can be more effective and agile than big lumbering giants, or comfy status quo setups. The club has fantastic facilities so I wouldn't say its completely under resourced.

Wests Tigers shouldn't need HBG in the same way that Souths no longer need Rusty as their sugar daddy. Souths are profitable in their own right. And I feel like the the NRL grant being what it is, that really changed the dynamic of HBG's influence is a really ironic way. HBG kind of get to stand on the shoulders of broadcast value, and the political weight they are throwing around is not proportionate to what they contribute, (or have historically contributed) in real terms.

Look back to how broke and under-resourced the club was in 2013 to see how Wests Ashfield turn up in a crisis.

Shouldn’t but we are a long way off given how the club has been administered previously as such we need the funding.

HBG as owners who enforce that very publicly need to back it up with serious investment to make this club the power it should be.