It's time to take the fight back to HBG

I know some on here don't like it but the ONLY way we will ever improve as a club is to get Wests Ashfield to invest heavily in the Wests Tigers, or get them to sell the club

We continuously hire the worst talent available on and off the field because we simply can't afford to sign better options. Other clubs pay their staff more and these better staff deliver more positive outcomes for their club.

So the question is what can we do to get Wests Ashfield to open their wallets and invest in something that isn't a poker machine?
 
Do you see either option happening ? Certainly not the second
We'd need a strong media campaign. Journalists questioning why a supposed not for profit invests practically nothing into their core responsibility to the community as per their charter, and are instead allowed to invest purely on pokies, which don't see the community.

There are stories there and we know the media lives to throw our name around for clickbait, but this would genuinely receive massive engagement from not only Tigers fans but footy favs in general.

Who knows, maybe then a white knight will make them an offer they can't refuse
 
We'd need a strong media campaign. Journalists questioning why a supposed not for profit invests practically nothing into their core responsibility to the community as per their charter, and are instead allowed to invest purely on pokies, which don't see the community.

There are stories there and we know the media lives to throw our name around for clickbait, but this would genuinely receive massive engagement from not only Tigers fans but footy favs in general.

Who knows, maybe then a white knight will make them an offer they can't refuse

I would rather Don Corleone "make them an offer they can't refuse" and suffer the consequences when HBG refuses.(joke)
 
We'd need a strong media campaign. Journalists questioning why a supposed not for profit invests practically nothing into their core responsibility to the community as per their charter, and are instead allowed to invest purely on pokies, which don't see the community.

There are stories there and we know the media lives to throw our name around for clickbait, but this would genuinely receive massive engagement from not only Tigers fans but footy favs in general.

Who knows, maybe then a white knight will make them an offer they can't refuse

They won’t agree to it ( sale ) , because the money for the sale of the club doesn’t go to them …and they enjoy the status it brings otherwise …

They would need to be made to do it ..by either the NRL or Govt …
 
They won’t agree to it ( sale ) , because the money for the sale of the club doesn’t go to them …and they enjoy the status it brings otherwise …

They would need to be made to do it ..by either the NRL or Govt …
Why wouldn't they get the money? Only if the NRL strips them off their license would they not get most of the money. Souths get the money when they're new owners buy and sell their ownership shares in the bunnies
 
What's especially sad, in our current set-up HBG don't even fund the Wests Magpies junior rep sides!!!! The actual teams running around with the Wests Magpies branding all (presumably) because they are based out of Campbelltown HBG have zero interest in them.

Wests Tigers funds our Wests Magpies junior rep sides.
Wests Ashfield funds the Balmain junior rep sides (it is their geographic area at least)
Wests MacArthur fund the Wests MacArthur sides.

How can the likes of @Vicious defend owners like that?

HBG do not care about footy. They care about Pokies at the leagues club and getting a free sausage sandwich at Lidcombe Oval as often as possible.

Wests Tigers don't have the revenue to cover junior rep sides but have to cover the void because no one else will. At least it gives us some control over our best juniors I guess.
I'm curious @Vicious

You never responded to my question. How do you feel about Wests Ashfield refusing to invest a dollar in the Wests Magpies junior reps and leagues?
 
Why wouldn't they get the money? Only if the NRL strips them off their license would they not get most of the money. Souths get the money when they're new owners buy and sell their ownership shares in the bunnies

lol ..you think the money is getting put in their personal bank accounts ? What good to them is the money going to the club? I’m sure there is plenty already there .
 
Where exactly do you think the money goes?
To far too many people who are not very good at their jobs.
I am not including Shaun Miekekamp in this as once he was thrown in the hot seat, I don’t think he had much say or much choice other than tj extend Benji at the time, but now our season has once again deteriorated and once again shown up many glaring weaknesses, he will need to soon start making many tough decisions.
 
To far too many people who are not very good at their jobs.
I am not including Shaun Miekekamp in this as once he was thrown in the hot seat, I don’t think he had much say or much choice other than tj extend Benji at the time, but now our season has once again deteriorated and once again shown up many glaring weaknesses, he will need to soon start making many tough decisions.

He is talking about the money for the potential sale of the club 😂
 
Yep you have people in positions of power and privilege.who have no personal investment in the club and are only answerable to themselves. They gain nothing personally from selling it but lose control of the entitlements that come with the position.

If they actually got to keep the money themselves … it would have been sold back when it was worth $500k
 
I was chatting to my old man who couldn't care less about the footy these days; I think 89 broke him. But I started asking him what both of my late pops thought around the merger, specifically Wests Ashfield. One of my pops played for Wests in reserve grade and was magpies through and through.

He said that the sentiment from them both before they passed was that the club will never move forward whilst Wests Ashfield was involved.

Can some of the older heads give insights into the history of Wests Ashfield and why someone who bled for the club may have felt this way? What happened in the 80s and 90s? Prior even?
 
Due to our structure there are two competing and different issues. Our club, unless you are also a Member of Wests Ashfield/HBG is Wests Tigers and they are completely responsible for the pathways programme from players to coaches to talent scouts and so on down the line. However, they have limited funds - especially in comparison to other teams in the NRL. This is why Richo was so keen on fixing the corporate side of the house - so profits generated could be used to benefit "our club".

HBG are the owners and their responsibilities extends well beyond Wests Tigers, although you can mount a very strong argument that the distribution of profits is out of kilter with the objects outlined in the constitution. If you take a literal interpretation HBG exists to do three things:

1. To provide for members and members' guests a social and sporting Club.

2. To assist in the promotion conduct and propagation of Rugby League football in the Rugby League Football District of the Western Suburbs of Sydney, or elsewhere, and to provide or assist in the provision of training and conditioning and teaching facilities for football played in accordance with the rules of the New SouthWales Rugby Football League.

3. To render aid either financial or by other means to clubs or associations in the Rugby League Football District of the Western Suburbs of Sydney, or elsewhere, which clubs or associations are playing or conducting football played in accordance with the Rules of the New South Wales Rugby Football League.

I think these are pretty clear objectives and the intent was for the monies raised by HBG to be shared between supporting patrons and promoting rugby league. However, there is an objective that gives the board some wriggle room:

To establish support or aid in the establishment and support of associations funds, trust and conveniences calculated to benefit the members of the Club or the dependents or connections of such members and to make payments towards insurance for any purpose and to subscribe or guarantee money for charitable or benevolent objects or for any exhibitions for any public general or useful objects.

I expect this is the catch all that HBG uses to fund cricket, soccer, rugby union, the fishing club etc. It is a valid objective; however, in some cases is in direct conflict with objectives 2 and 3 above - promoting direct competition for our junior base from other codes.

Certainly the funds that go to sporting associations other than Wests Tigers are significantly less, but they are significantly less then SFA to start with in the general scheme of things. Especially when you compare us to similar "not for profit" type clubs; e.g. Canberra and Cronulla.

I'm not about to go and dig up the data again as it takes a lot of effort to find - but if we look at the 2024 data I pulled last year:

Canberra: Overall Profit $92M. Contribution to football operations (over and above the cap) $5M (0.54%).
Cronulla: Overall Profit around $20M. Contribution to football operations $5M plus $2.74M the football club made in profits. (20%)
Wests Tigers: Overall Profit $67.8M. Contribution to football operations $1.8M (0.26%)


So when it comes to all the things like pathways and staffing that make one football club a better destination than another (the nice things to have v the essential things) we are $3.2M behind Canberra and $5.94M behind the Sharks. So the nice things to have includes the ability to pay junior contracts that are outside of the cap, pay for coaching and other staff to run the club and its pathways, better hotel accommodation on trips etc.

Now we are closer in structure to Canberra as HBG and the Raiders both have a number of community clubs. It is also difficult to ascertain what funds are going where but I live around the Canberra region and my good wife works for one of the Raiders major sponsors. So I get to attend the odd corporate event. I have had the opportunity to chat with a few key stakeholders in the Raiders organisation about their funding and they are happy with the amount they have and said if they neeeded more for a particular project or for expaasion they expect they would get it. They would simply need to raise a business case and outline how it fits into the constitution, how it benefits the community and the benefits for the club overall (more members, more profit etc).

It simply isn't a level playing field and my understanding is that our football department has been screaming for funds. It was the key issue raised by SM when he held the fan engagement meetings to support his goal of fixing our pathways; the key being to have the club put more $ into the football operations (willingly).

Not hearing this pain from Canberra or Cronulla!

So let's say that all of the other sporting and fishing associations combined received the same $1.8M as Wests Tigers; that leaves $64.2M being invested back into the punters and other philanthropic organisations at HBG's venues after running espenses (95%).

Read the constitution and if you still think that the way HBG are running the joint is in line with the intent of the organsiation when it was established please explain it to me in simple english - because I don't get it!
This $1.8m is for the entire football department from top to bottom. I believe we have the bigget catchment area out of these teams, more Juniors, more junior grade teams in Andrew Johns, Laurie Daley, NRLW, Tasha Gale, JF, HM Cups etc.. so not only are we spending the least (hence making the least), if you look at the amount of funding spent per team or per player, it's probably around 15-20% of most Clubs.

The reality though is Liquor and Gaming Authorities, NRL/ ARL etc probably won't do anything about it because they're giving us $30m a year to stay afloat and as long as that money is spent wisely on the NRL squad and we have visibility across all junior comps.

I doubt the new CEO will be able to change much, I doubt HBG want to change anything, I doubt NRL will want to force anyone's hands. And even if they do let's say even almost double it to $3m- I just don't see how that's enough to sustain close to 10 teams.

All we can do is hope that we. get a freak player or a freak coach coming through the ranks and instead of building from bottom up through Juniors, we get some success in the NRL which gets carried across to the rest of the Club.

Every team is chasing excellence, whereas from the top, we are just doing bare basics to survive. I don't see any hope at all..
 

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