HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

People asking for 'proof' or suggesting people bear the 'burden of proof' seem to forget that we still have no actual 'proof' as to why any of this happened in the first place.

Everyone's opinion is based on snippets of information.

It all just depends on how it's interpreted.

It's a message board. You're allowed to have a different view of events without 'proof' when no physical 'proof' is available, without having the masses subject you to a board pile-on.

We still don't "know" why HBG fired the board. 394 pages of supposition based on parts of information & belief that we are all more right than everyone else.
 
Vicious said:
I personally don’t have an issue with the jersey. I’m assuming we have an alternate jersey with plenty of black in it ? I don’t really know and I don’t really care.
However put yourself in the shoes of a 90% shareholder who’s history is represented by the colours black and white.
Common sense tells you that if plans were being made to have the main playing jersey, being the home jersey as predominantly orange, you would think maybe I need to run this past and have a discussion with the 90% shareholders before making it official.
Quite obviously they didn’t want to have a hard discussion with the 90% shareholders about it, so thought it was better to hide it from them before the official release.
Highly likely it was a similar story with plans to no longer have Wests Magpies as our NSW Cup team.
Highly likely it was a similar story with the 15 year deal with Leichhardt Oval.
Highly likely it was a similar story with paying well above the average market value for the services provided by Enriched.
The good news is I’m 💯 confident Shaun Mirkenkamp won’t hide anything and will communicate and have the hard discussions when required.
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The CEO’s responsibility is to communicate with the board of the Wests Tigers. It’s the responsibility of the WT board to act in the interest of WT.

If SM reports to the WT board that the 2027 home jersey is to be predominantly orange based on market research that shows this will result in an increase in brand awareness and merchandise sales. On what basis would the HBG representatives on WT board intervene and use their majority to force the CEO to implement a majority black version instead?
 
diedpretty said:
Who is Brisbanes reserve grade side. Whose Melbournes reserve grade side been for the last 25 years. Whose Newcastles - its pretty obvious thats its not a pre requisite for success that your reserve grade side should be the same name as the NRL side.
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This isn’t a fair comparison. Brisbane and Melbourne have QLD cup feeder clubs (mostly in Melbourne’s case).

You’re also ignoring the fact that Manly, Penrith, and Parra are first grade sides that have abandoned a similar model and have reinstated State Cup sides that mirror the rest of their pathways and FG names.
 
cochise said:
These guys have a history of acting rashly and dismissing board members.

See, none of my claims need backing up as there is plenty of evidence to support them.
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Correct I am not denying what you are saying is true.
What I am questioning is how you can possibly believe there was not another party such as Richo that was also at fault and was at least partly to blame in HBG becoming unhappy.
You seem to think they just become unhappy for no reason whatsoever.
It doesn’t make removing the 4 independents any better, but 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
 
Big Red said:
The CEO’s responsibility is to communicate with the board of the Wests Tigers. It’s the responsibility of the WT board to act in the interest of WT.

If SM reports to the WT board that the 2027 home jersey is to be predominantly orange based on market research that shows this will result in an increase in brand awareness and merchandise sales. On what basis would the HBG representatives on WT board intervene and use their majority to force the CEO to implement a majority black version instead?
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Good question, but they should still be made aware and have a discussion about it before the reveal, out of courtesy if nothing else don’t you think ?
 
Vicious said:
That was a very irrational and poor decision.
I am guessing they were foolishly thinking that was a way to assert their authority and not get the same backlash they would get if just sacking Richo directly.
Terrible decision and whoever was behind it should be removed.
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Irrational
Poor
Foolish
Terrible

These are words you have used to describe out management.
 
Rock Hopper Steve said:
No way, if they are still stupid enough to keep Denny around that to me is a clear sign they haven't learnt a thing and they are not capable of taking our club to higher levels, people don't think they won't stuff up again HBG out.
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If you read a certain persons very recent comments, they know they are skating on very thin ice, don’t worry about that.
 
Vicious said:
A culmination of many things being done, hif from them before being revealed.
That’s not how you do business in anyone’s terms, you run important things past 9@% shareholders regardless if you know they are not going to like it and may not agree.
That’s what happens with arrogant people, they have an attitude that it’s their way or the highway.
Luckily Shaun Mielenkamp is not like that.
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I think then it becomes why was there not another way to approach this besides sacking? Was richo aware hbg were upset? Why didn't HBG reps raise it at the board to be fixed?

If it was completely unreasonable actions from richo, the independents on the board would certainly have taken action to rein him in.

Richo doesnt have a track record of failure. The very least, this should have been done with a lot more consideration and process.

Do you think HBG have the ability to know what good looks like? I dont
 
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Vicious said:
I personally don’t have an issue with the jersey. I’m assuming we have an alternate jersey with plenty of black in it ? I don’t really know and I don’t really care.
However put yourself in the shoes of a 90% shareholder who’s history is represented by the colours black and white.
Common sense tells you that if plans were being made to have the main playing jersey, being the home jersey as predominantly orange, you would think maybe I need to run this past and have a discussion with the 90% shareholders before making it official.
Quite obviously they didn’t want to have a hard discussion with the 90% shareholders about it, so thought it was better to hide it from them before the official release.
Highly likely it was a similar story with plans to no longer have Wests Magpies as our NSW Cup team.
Highly likely it was a similar story with the 15 year deal with Leichhardt Oval.
Highly likely it was a similar story with paying well above the average market value for the services provided by Enriched.
The good news is I’m 💯 confident Shaun Mirkenkamp won’t hide anything and will communicate and have the hard discussions when required.
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The ‘90%’ shareholders had 2 of their directors on the rugby league board and would have known exactly what was happening.
You can’t seem to accept that.
Maybe they didn’t turn up for meetings, didn’t listen, couldn’t understand ... or were drunk?
 
Vicious said:
That was a very irrational and poor decision.
I am guessing they were foolishly thinking that was a way to assert their authority and not get the same backlash they would get if just sacking Richo directly.
Terrible decision and whoever was behind it should be removed.
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So you’re admitting that whoever was behind the decision to sack the Wests Tigers board should be removed.

Given the decision was made by the HBG board and CEO, is it fair to say the HBG board and CEO should be removed from both HBG and Wests Tigers in that case?
 
hammertime said:
I think then it becomes why was there not another way to approach this besides sacking? Was richo aware hbg were upset? Why didn't HBG reps raise it at the board to be fixed?

If it was completely unreasonable actions from richo, the independents on the board would certainly have taken action to rein him in.

Richo doesnt have a track record of failure. The very least, this should have been done with a lot more consideration and process.
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Richo has become far too arrogant and doesn’t give a you know what.
Yes he’s a very smart man and very good at what he does, but you still need humility and respect to go with it.
Chamnas summed him up to a tee.
 
cktiger said:
The ‘90%’ shareholders had 2 of their directors on the rugby league board and would have known exactly what was happening.
You can’t seem to accept that.
Maybe they didn’t turn up for meetings, didn’t listen, couldn’t understand ... or were drunk?
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You don’t understand.
CEO’s and ones with the experience of Richo get a certain amount of delegation and leeway to make decisions that do not need to reach board level.
That’s fantastic, but the respectful thing to do is still discuss things you know will likely upset the 90% shareholders.
 
Vicious said:
Richo has become far too arrogant and doesn’t give a you know what.
Yes he’s a very smart man and very good at what he does, but you still need humility and respect to go with it.
Chamnas summed him up to a tee.
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Sure. But you can control that at board level. Richo had that exact same attitude when he came in, hes a do'er, not a talker.

So yeah, why not controls at board level? The independants wouldnt have accepted it either if it was causing issues.

We know that there was no dissenting votes on anything. So it obviously wasnt raised.
 
Vicious said:
Good question, but they should still be made aware and have a discussion about it before the reveal, out of courtesy if nothing else don’t you think ?
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Jersey design should be the responsibility of a sub-committee that includes the WM and BT representatives.

If the sub-committee doesn’t report back ti the board they should be given a warning.

That’s how communication issues should be managed, not through sacking 4 high profile independent directors resulting in the resignation of one of the best CEO’s in the game.
 
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