HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

Telltails said:
Good old Chad doesnt know anything when defending HBG's actions but defends them consistently as the aggressors, but when it comes to Richardson and OFarrelll still doesn't know anything but comes up with a theory to discredit them.
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Just giving an alternative option.

The 'theory' doesn't necessarily discredit anyone. Like I said, HBG FELT they were not consulted adequately. The Wests Tigers board might think differently.

People seem to want to overlook what HBG said when they made their decision.
 
The Chad said:
Haha- thank you.

I speculate ONCE & I'm tarred with being an avid speculator.. Haha.

Honestly- what I'm suggesting is- if we want to run with speculation AGAINST HBG, you can just as easily run with speculation FOR HBG if you try to.
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After so many years of HBG failing at running this club, how can you seriously say its just as easy to defend them than criticise them? To take that stance is to excuse years of failure by them
 
The Chad said:
That isn't what I said though.

Just that they didn't feel like they had been consulted.
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Its exactly what it is mate. So your suggestion is its possible this wouldn't have happened if they were consulted more? My suggestion to that is, they would have tried to run the club from outside the boardroom and pressure to over rule decisions by the board. I mean, isnt the proof in the pudding by what they have done?
 
king_sirro said:
After so many years of HBG failing at running this club, how can you seriously say its just as easy to defend them than criticise them? To take that stance is to excuse years of failure by them
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4 years ago it was Pascoe & Hagipentalis that were to blame.

Then it was Sheens.

Now it's HBG.

People like Shane Richardson. So it's definitely not him.

Opinion on where blame should be directed isn't consistent.
 
king_sirro said:
Its exactly what it is mate. So your suggestion is its possible this wouldn't have happened if they were consulted more? My suggestion to that is, they would have tried to run the club from outside the boardroom and pressure to over rule decisions by the board. I mean, isnt the proof in the pudding by what they have done?
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Maybe.

But your speculation & mine are neither more right or wrong.

This is why I keep saying- don't know.

What nobody (bar the Pro Magpies shills or whatever we are calling them today) wants to acknowledge is that HBG may have had a point. The fans are convinced that HBG is Emperor Palpatine & his cronies at work.

And that is fine. But it doesn't make it true.
 
mtd#2 said:
Ink posted above that the media leak and video ammouncement were on the same day, so it rules this theory out.
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Fair enough- was this before or after the radio stations started talking about it, taking calls, online articles coming out?
 
The Chad said:
Maybe they felt responsible to explain to fans why they were changing it BECAUSE they were looking to change something largely driven by fan requests?
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I must misunderstand this statement, because surely you are not suggesting that fans were requesting to oust the independent board members?
 
The Chad said:
Maybe.

But your speculation & mine are neither more right or wrong.

This is why I keep saying- don't know.

What nobody (bar the Pro Magpies shills or whatever we are calling them today) wants to acknowledge is that HBG may have had a point. The fans are convinced that HBG is Emperor Palpatine & his cronies at work.

And that is fine. But it doesn't make it true.
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I feel sorry the champion old Magpie folk who have fully embraced the Wests Tigers and see just as clearly as the rest of us. They unfortunately may feel like they get put into the bracket you just described, but in reality, that bracket is a tiny minority who want to hurt the only thing our kids know. Shame on them
 
The Chad said:
Fair enough- was this before or after the radio stations started talking about it, taking calls, online articles coming out?
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From what I can see it was all on the same day. They would have hired someone to come and film the statement - its not like they had a media room to jump into an hour after the news broke. So it appears to be premeditated... not reactionary as suggested here.
 
king_sirro said:
Chad i admire your calmness in discussing things and your obviously more eloquent than they likes of me, however I sort of feel like your calling people out for speculating, but in a way your doing the same speculation, just throwing in the odd "no one knows" line to deflect away your point of view and opinion that you are pushing.
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Sorry mate- I brushed over something.

I do call out people for speculating to a degree.

Speculate away- honestly.

It's what a forum should be for.

BUT.

Speculating & being adamant that the speculation is RIGHT is where I call it out.

We've had organised marches, people wanting to send back their memberships, demands for HBG board members to step down- but we have not heard the outcome of the HBG claims.

It's a terrible shame to hang someone as guilty only to find out years later they were not.
 
mtd#2 said:
From what I can see it was all on the same day. They would have hired someone to come and film the statement - its not like they had a media room to jump into an hour after the news broke. So it appears to be premeditated... not reactionary as suggested here.
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That is possible.

I mean, it seems unlikely that HBG didn't think this would cause some friction.
 
king_sirro said:
I feel sorry the champion old Magpie folk who have fully embraced the Wests Tigers and see just as clearly as the rest of us. They unfortunately may feel like they get put into the bracket you just described, but in reality, that bracket is a tiny minority who want to hurt the only thing our kids know. Shame on them
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Yeah, to a degree I agree.

Again, slightly different take- guys that are pro-Magpies & are defending HBG etc...they are allowed to as well.

Not trying to call out anyone in particular- but some of the name calling isn't coming from the "Magpie shills".

Not trying to single anyone out- apologies beforehand- but Cochise can have an 'animated' discussion without trying to belittle someone that doesn't agree with him.

There are others, who I just don't respond to anymore, that cannot do that.

It goes both ways.
 
The Chad said:
Sorry mate- I brushed over something.

I do call out people for speculating to a degree.

Speculate away- honestly.

It's what a forum should be for.

BUT.

Speculating & being adamant that the speculation is RIGHT is where I call it out.

We've had organised marches, people wanting to send back their memberships, demands for HBG board members to step down- but we have not heard the outcome of the HBG claims.

It's a terrible shame to hang someone as guilty only to find out years later they were not.
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You always seem to skip over the part where they had years being in control and failed. That is the most significant thing here. Thats the part where the negative speculation towards them comes in. That is not just fair enough and reasonable thinking, its human nature. Theres a reason the majority dont like HBG and its a minority defending them. Usually that tells you something. Its like watching your sister get cheated on, she takes him back with the promise of not doing it again...as a brother, its human nature to be negative to the guy that failed your sister and not trust him...why should we trust a group that has gone behind the fans back?
 
mtd#2 said:
I must misunderstand this statement, because surely you are not suggesting that fans were requesting to oust the independent board members?
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Sorry- not very clear.

The independent board members were in place because of fan requests.

HBG might have felt compelled to announce their removal to fans because of that.
 
king_sirro said:
You always seem to skip over the part where they had years being in control and failed. That is the most significant thing here. Thats the part where the negative speculation towards them comes in. That is not just fair enough and reasonable thinking, its human nature. Theres a reason the majority dont like HBG and its a minority defending them. Usually that tells you something. Its like watching your sister get cheated on, she takes him back with the promise of not doing it again...as a brother, its human nature to be negative to the guy that failed your sister and not trust him...why should we trust a group that has gone behind the fans back?
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No mate- that is a perfectly reasonable take.

I think that then takes the conversation to what are success factors, and who is responsible for it?

My take- the team in 2025 improved. Not because of the board.

But because the right coach with the right players were doing things on the field.


If you take away on-field success & failure- how have HBG performed over the last decade or so? Did they stop funding Wests & Balmain juniors? Did the Leagues club run dry on money?

We want to argue that HBG & Wests Tigers boards are separate.

Ok.

Who hires the coach? HBG? Or Wests Tigers?
 
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