‘It’s the truth’: compelling new WT doco

[The_Patriot]

The way he spoke of players like Simpkins and Cini is enough for me

Time to move on

So disgusted in this coach

Time for him and whoever hired him to move on

What did he say that was not correct?


Its what he didnt say or more importantly hasnt done with the senior playing group. Guys like Mybe who are never accountable for complete lack of effort .

So youre disgusted with what he didn't say about
cini and Simpkins?

???

"Its what he didnt say or more importantly hasnt done with the senior playing group"

Pretty self explanatory

You said:
'The way he spoke of players like Simpkins and Cini is enough for me"

Now youre talking about senior players??

Yes that's exactly what I said and what I am saying now.

Join the dots and find the link between the two statements.

He can't be super hard on the rookies and soft on pea hearted players like Mybe.

I repeat I'm disgusted by that kind of coaching. It's a culture killer and goes a long way to explain the lack of buy in by the playing group.

 

[TigerWest]

I’m sure it wasn’t meant to, but it this episode does show that Jake Simpkin is not ready yet? But he is not alone unfortunately.

That was Simpkin's first game, he played all 80 minutes plus GP, the missed tackle is no worse than what Liddle is offering up each week after over 50 games

He had some errors in the Stg game as well. I’m not bagging the kid, but he is young and probably not ready for the grind of FG. Confident he will come good though.

 

[Needaname]

The thing I’m getting from this docu more then anything is the support staff around madge is not up to scratch. The two main characters there are Ronnie Palmer and snoopy. We have such a young team , there would be a massive disconnect there. I love ronnie Palmer but gee can you imagine him talking tactics or motivation to get the players up on the field. We need some massive changes there.

Maguire appears to be doing too much on game day and I'm shocked at how little anyone speaks to him in the sheds or coaches box.

It's edited that way. Fox only include the comments Madge makes, as part of their focus on the head coach.

Surely everyone can tell that Fox are only using a fraction of their total footage, in order to build a specific narrative? It would be a mistake to assume the Madge footage is the only thing that happens amongst club officials and players on gameday.

On fox On Demand. There are 2 extra videos 20mins each. 1st one is Ronnie 2nd one is Madge. It was interesting as this was filmed before the start of round one but Madge speaks pretty highly of Sheens in that clip and says he tries to base his coaching philosophy off him. I’d say the club appointing sheens can only be a good thing.

 

[Needaname]

The thing I’m getting from this docu more then anything is the support staff around madge is not up to scratch. The two main characters there are Ronnie Palmer and snoopy. We have such a young team , there would be a massive disconnect there. I love ronnie Palmer but gee can you imagine him talking tactics or motivation to get the players up on the field. We need some massive changes there.

Maguire appears to be doing too much on game day and I'm shocked at how little anyone speaks to him in the sheds or coaches box.

It's edited that way. Fox only include the comments Madge makes, as part of their focus on the head coach.

Surely everyone can tell that Fox are only using a fraction of their total footage, in order to build a specific narrative? It would be a mistake to assume the Madge footage is the only thing that happens amongst club officials and players on gameday.

On fox On Demand. There are 2 extra videos 20mins each. 1st one is Ronnie 2nd one is Madge. It was interesting as this was filmed before the start of round one but Madge speaks pretty highly of Sheens in that clip and says he tries to base his coaching philosophy off him. I’d say the club appointing sheens can only be a good thing.

 

[iofthetigers]

Two things that stood out to me was Robbie Farah at the start saying”Madge needs to release the shackles a bit”. Interesting coming from this bloke, and the coaching position he has with the side atm. And against the Titans when cini dropped the ball and Simpkin dived to save a try Madge said”..........in young blokes”. I’m not a Madge fan , I think he is an old school screamer and his desperation wears thin, it’s obvious his all encompassing motivational rev ups have worn thin, and you can tell the players are thinking “not this crap again”, but I’ll give him credit, he put be on show BJ and he ripped into douihie against the titans for going missing, so on face value he seems consistent, although he should be really personally challenging a few other senior players also. What I laughed at was his inability to comprehend how the titans shifted from the kick off and scored. It’s called playing what you see Madge, very good smart football, identifying a weekness and exploiting it on the run. Laughed for about 5 minutes at his reaction.

Haven't watched either episode as while I think it's a good concept to show what coaching the WT entails, I just don't understand the purpose or objective of (making) it, considering we're a struggling team whose main focus should only be making some headway on the field.
(Plus there's a few games I simply don't wish to revisit just yet due to bringing back any personal heartbreak).
So please excuse me as my following remarks are mostly based off what I've read in this thread.

Agree with many that not much this year has shown that we're as competitive and driven as we'd all like us to be, but my question is could the filming of the documentary also have left players feeling perturbed and overwrought?
I understand the cameras were there during each game and we got a fly-on-the-wall type of observation of Madge in the coaching box. But what about the player pressures of having every action viewed under a microscope - I believe they already face enough heavy scrutiny and it's not just as an NRL player but as a WT player with a weight of expectations.
Reading the frequent mention of Madge's motivational talks (and how inspiring he sounds) and the criticism of the lack of leadership, communication and encouragement amongst the playing group has got me wondering why we're still so unresponsive and withdrawn in our reactions.
I've noticed from tonight's comments that he made reference of replacing the underperformers with the KOE players, and knowing that we persisted with them for most weeks, why isn't this also brought into the equation when discussing team effort, motivation and accountability?
I feel like our team selections have been critical to our poor performances.

Just from what I've read on here it appears it's painted Madge in a positive light yet has made the majority of the team look the complete opposite.

Couldn’t agree more Lauren. The only reason I can think of that the club would do this is for money off the back of a year when Covid would have impacted pretty hard.

I feel like it’s a massive distraction at a club that needs to be all in on winning 50% of their games (which isn’t even a lofty target).

It’s gimmicky, it’s cringe-worthy and it’s making fans re-live the crap year all over.

Cheers JP

I don’t think it’s a money thing, I think Pascoe thought the Tigers were going to be a lot better than they are

 

[innsaneink]

Most tipped us to make the semis this year

 

[Sco77y]

Two things that stood out to me was Robbie Farah at the start saying”Madge needs to release the shackles a bit”. Interesting coming from this bloke, and the coaching position he has with the side atm. And against the Titans when cini dropped the ball and Simpkin dived to save a try Madge said”..........in young blokes”. I’m not a Madge fan , I think he is an old school screamer and his desperation wears thin, it’s obvious his all encompassing motivational rev ups have worn thin, and you can tell the players are thinking “not this crap again”, but I’ll give him credit, he put be on show BJ and he ripped into douihie against the titans for going missing, so on face value he seems consistent, although he should be really personally challenging a few other senior players also. What I laughed at was his inability to comprehend how the titans shifted from the kick off and scored. It’s called playing what you see Madge, very good smart football, identifying a weekness and exploiting it on the run. Laughed for about 5 minutes at his reaction.

Haven't watched either episode as while I think it's a good concept to show what coaching the WT entails, I just don't understand the purpose or objective of (making) it, considering we're a struggling team whose main focus should only be making some headway on the field.
(Plus there's a few games I simply don't wish to revisit just yet due to bringing back any personal heartbreak).
So please excuse me as my following remarks are mostly based off what I've read in this thread.

Agree with many that not much this year has shown that we're as competitive and driven as we'd all like us to be, but my question is could the filming of the documentary also have left players feeling perturbed and overwrought?
I understand the cameras were there during each game and we got a fly-on-the-wall type of observation of Madge in the coaching box. But what about the player pressures of having every action viewed under a microscope - I believe they already face enough heavy scrutiny and it's not just as an NRL player but as a WT player with a weight of expectations.
Reading the frequent mention of Madge's motivational talks (and how inspiring he sounds) and the criticism of the lack of leadership, communication and encouragement amongst the playing group has got me wondering why we're still so unresponsive and withdrawn in our reactions.
I've noticed from tonight's comments that he made reference of replacing the underperformers with the KOE players, and knowing that we persisted with them for most weeks, why isn't this also brought into the equation when discussing team effort, motivation and accountability?
I feel like our team selections have been critical to our poor performances.

Just from what I've read on here it appears it's painted Madge in a positive light yet has made the majority of the team look the complete opposite.

Couldn’t agree more Lauren. The only reason I can think of that the club would do this is for money off the back of a year when Covid would have impacted pretty hard.

I feel like it’s a massive distraction at a club that needs to be all in on winning 50% of their games (which isn’t even a lofty target).

It’s gimmicky, it’s cringe-worthy and it’s making fans re-live the crap year all over.

Cheers JP

I don’t think it’s a money thing, I think Pascoe thought the Tigers were going to be a lot better than they are

I think payment for this would have helped their decision, but I do also believe the club were genuinely of the opinion they'd have a competitive year and wanted to showcase that.

From memory I think the general consensus amongst fans in preseason was that we were on the up and should be having a good year also.

 

[Geo]

Rated well again ...

 

[hobbo1]

Rated well again ...

May as well turn it into a sitcom

 

[old_man_tiger]

Haven't watched episode 2, but wondering how you improve harmony in the team with cameras everywhere and editing that basically shows the players to be mostly gutless.

I think this is good entertainment but potentially destructive for a struggling club with a lot of young players. I hope what I've read about individual players being singled out, young players with no experience, has been exaggerated here.

I can't believe I haven't watched it but the thought of having to watch this season again makes me want to roll into a ball and rock back and forth.

 

[tiger_one]

Most tipped us to make the semis this year

Or at least hoped..... hahaha

 

[hsvjones]

Most tipped us to make the semis this year

I did unfortunately and you would think I would learn.. I can tell you now that that mistake wont happen again next year. :face_with_head_bandage:

I sometimes sit back and think what it must be like supporting a top line team where they are just concerned about finishing top 2 and which rep player they are adding next year.... pipe dreams

 

[tony soprano]

This one was gold.

And f*** me, we won a f***ing game against St George. They’re f***ing down the bottom of the ladder too.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Loves an F bomb old Madge.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I could be 100% wrong, but I feel like he hams it up in the coaches box knowing the camera is on him.

 

[Needaname]

Hams it up? His less animated in the coaches box than he is in the sheds.

 

[TheDaBoss]

My new favourite quote from the 2nd ep is my sig now 😅

 

[kiwitiger]

I could be 100% wrong, but I feel like he hams it up in the coaches box knowing the camera is on him.

This whole thing with cameras everywhere, means introverts go back into themselves and extroverts ham it up. Really this doco is great. I'm sure people remember that the camera is on them

 

[Guest]

Michael Maguire sprays Wests Tigers players for ‘embarrassing’ performances

In never-before-seen footage, a furious Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire lets rip at his own players for their ‘embarrassing’ performances.

Matthew Sullivan
AUGUST 11, 20214:43PM


As the Wests Tigers’ season sits on a knife edge, fans have been given another behind-the-scenes glimpse into the club’s rollercoaster season.

The Tigers have become the first NRL club to throw its doors open for an in-depth documentary series following the club’s turbulent 2021 season.

The four-part documentary follows the Tigers’ season so far as they attempt to rebuild and make their first finals series since way back in 2011.

The second episode, which is available to stream on Kayo, covers the rounds in the middle of the season, including losses to the Cowboys, Rabbitohs, Manly and the Titans.

A win over St George Illawarra is the only bright spot in an otherwise despondent episode reflective of the Tigers’ lowly position on the table.

The Tigers are 13th on the NRL ladder and need to win three out of their last four games against the Cowboys, Sharks, Panthers and Bulldogs to have any hope of making the top eight and breaking a finals drought stretching back to 2011.

Coach Michael Maguire is again the central figure in the documentary, as he strives to motivate the Tigers and get some improvement out of his players.

But it’s the same old story in the second instalment, which features the Tigers being booed off Leichardt Oval by their own fans, when they trailed the North Queensland Cowboys 28-6 at halftime in the first game after club legend Tommy Raudonikis’ death.

In the change rooms, Maguire gave his troops a serious dressing down, before admitting he was “embarrassed” up in the coach’s box.

“It’s f***ing embarrassing. In front of our own f***ing fans, we’re doing this.

“My god, what the hell. 28 to 6 in a f***ing half. Booed off by your own fans on the big day.

“When you boys want to bring the f***ing Wests Tigers team to this game, you’ll go out there and you’ll f***ing get this game.

“But I tell you what, you’re working like a bunch of individuals at the moment. That’s the disappointing part of what I’m seeing.

“I tell you what you need to do here boys, you need to f***ing toughen up and turn into a f***ing gritty team.

“We talk about f***ing Tommy all week and all this sort of stuff — you aren’t doing any of that of our practice.

“We have a real simple game, and you’re making it f***ing harder than what it needs to be. “So you can sit there boys with your shoulders like this (slumped over) or get your f***ing heads up and start going: ‘Righto we’ve got to earn this f***ing right to win the game’.”

Five-eighth Adan Doueihi admitted it was “shattering” to be booed off the field by their own fans.

“I’ve never sort of been booed in my life and I guess at our first game at Leichhardt, such a big occasion, to be booed off by our fans at halftime — yeah it’s shattering to be honest,” he said.

“We thought we’re a genuine chance this year and we still think we are but until we start winning back-to-back games we’re no chance.

“So we’re going to have to do that and do it pretty quick.”

But Maguire saved his most epic spray for after his side lost narrowly to the Gold Coast Titans after yet another poor first half.

He absolutely let rip at his players, urging them to have a good hard look at themselves in an attempt to try and string some consistent form together.

“I’ll stand here and f***ing protect you every f***ing day because you’re my f***ing playing group,” he said.

“You’ve got to f***ing grow up, you blokes.

“Some of you guys need to look in the f***ing mirror. This is first grade now.

“Before the game I thought ‘f*** I’ll see how we go, can we back it up?’

“Patting ourselves on the f***ing back. We won one game.

“When are you guys going to turn up week in week out and stop f***ing patting yourselves on the back? Because that’s what goes on in this place.

“And f*** me, we won a f***ing game against St George. They’re f***ing down the bottom of the ladder too.

Maguire said be believes in his players but put the onus on them to get more out of themselves.

“It’s time to decide what you guys want to do with this club,” he said.

“That’s honestly the truth. If you’re f***ing fair dinkum here, you’ve got to want it more than anything you’ve ever wanted before.

“I’m f***ing passionate about you blokes because I f***ing believe in it but I don’t see that. It’s all our jobs to find that but you’ve got to bring yourself to it every time. It’s life and death.

Tigers fullback Moses Mbye confessed Maguire is a tough taskmaster but the players don’t make it any easier for him.

“He isn’t cranky but he gets cranky,” Mbye said.

“And we provoke him. Couple of losses here and there don’t help.

“He’s a head coach (and) he’s probably a manager, a mentor, a stepdad to half the players in our team and also a development coach.

“He’s a busy guy and I think anyone who would do that job would have to be as highly strung as he is.”

 

[yeahcaz]

I’ve heard numerous people say in review of the show so I’ll just repeat it. Now I full well understand that our club and players need a bloody rev up because it’s just mediocrity central but when does the rev become too much ? Again, this could full well be down to lack of locker room leaders but even still it’s not normal to see the sheds that quiet, regardless of the match result. Denan Kemp of bloke in a bar fame has said numerous times he doesn’t agree completely with Maguires coaching style because it looks as if the players are just flat out scared to act up a bit and have a laugh. Like every speech from Maguire looks like a classroom. Watch any game involving storm, roosters, south’s etc. the coach speaks and as he takes his normal pauses the players will back him or have something to say to the group in regards to the manner whereas our players sit there with there mouths painted on. It shows on the field and one of the only things this doco has shown me is this group does not enjoy the footy they’re playing and therefore don’t enjoy their day to day job. I don’t know about everyone here but it’s hard to turn up everyday for a job you don’t like, can’t wait for all the incoming hero’s saying “we don’t earn 400k a year for our job” spare me.
What Robbie said at the beginning of the episode should ring alarms through the club, if he’s saying Maguire needs to loosen the shackles to the public eye, he should do so before it costs him his job.